Information for Extractors offered by various companies

[Snype]

So much more competition keeps popping up on extractors. It's becoming a pain trying to figure out which route to go. I'm hoping to have a thread to go over different options offered by various companies.

So far we have Tamisium, Redbeard, Terpp, , BHOGart, SweetLeaf and many more that I don't know. It'll be nice to have a thread dedicated to all extractors to make a purchase decision easier for everyone.

I'd personally like to see the difference between Redbeard and Terpp. Anyone with information please feel free to chime in.

My first question about Terpp is:

On their website they have a column that is 12" x 1.5" and it says it holds 73 grams. The inner dimensions of my Tamisium column is 6" x 1.5" and holds 70 grams of bud. Is Terpps inner dimensions 1.5" or is that the outer?

Anyone else who has any questions about comparing different extractors, feel free to ask so we can get to the bottom of everything.

Anyone know the differences between RedBeard and Terpp?

 

[robtreeman]

It looks like Terpp only offers GW's MKIII design. It has a 6"x6" bottom spool and 1.5"x24"material column. Redbeard offers that as well as 2.5lb and 5lb models based on GW's MKIVA Terpenator with a 10"x12" bottom spool with a 3"x36" material column. Redbeard also states that his unit includes viewing ports on the bottom spool, as well as a sight glass on top of the column. Redbeard charges $1500 for his 1lb model, and $2750 for his 2.5lb model. I'm not sure what the 5lb unit costs. Once my Redbeard extractor arrives in the mail I'll post some pics to give you a better idea of what it has to offer.

 

[Lono]

To start:
Terpp's website works
They respond quickly to calls/emails/IG/etc
They treat their customers with kindness and respect

Redbeard:
Seems to have problems communicating with customers
I have seen him handle problems with customers poorly, and inappropriately
Inaccurate shipping times
Website does not work

To me the choice is clear. The above information is based on facts btw, not my opinion.

If you want my opinion, it will be horribly biased and not of much use.

To me, BHOgart, Sweet leaf, and Tamisium can't be compared to any of the mkiii companies. BHOgart is too cheap, unsafe, what ever. Sweetleaf is overpriced. Tami's are passive IIRC. And honestly, as someone who just went through all of this, I don't know why anyone would consider anything but a mkiii.

If you chose to build your own, be sure to hit up Terpp. If I'm not mistaken, they will be able to provide parts a la carte. Which I think is awesome. Especially for us Colorado folk

 

[BlazinPurps]

I would really like to go closed loop but I do not understand enough to make an informed decision. Most of the terminology is completely foreign to me. I only do small runs never over 80 grams so most units are over sized for me. Good thread I will keep my eye on this one and continue researching!

 

[Terpp]

We will be offering larger MK models in about 8-10 weeks. Once we get closer to the completion date, we will be taking pre-orders for the larger MK systems.

Right now we are focusing on bringing the Lil' Terp to market as a complete system or kit by 7/20.

 

[hobb3s93]

BHOgart is too cheap, unsafe, what ever.

whats makes u say that?
i just see myself leaning twords bhogart in the future so would wanna be informed.


seems like alot of people online like them and have good results.

i dont care either way i would just like to know about the possible dangers of using one compared to one of the other companies products mentioned.

 

[Hash Man]

To start:
Terpp's website works
They respond quickly to calls/emails/IG/etc
They treat their customers with kindness and respect

Redbeard:
Seems to have problems communicating with customers
I have seen him handle problems with customers poorly, and inappropriately
Inaccurate shipping times
Website does not work

To me the choice is clear. The above information is based on facts btw, not my opinion.

If you want my opinion, it will be horribly biased and not of much use.

To me, BHOgart, Sweet leaf, and Tamisium can't be compared to any of the mkiii companies. BHOgart is too cheap, unsafe, what ever. Sweetleaf is overpriced. Tami's are passive IIRC. And honestly, as someone who just went through all of this, I don't know why anyone would consider anything but a mkiii.

If you chose to build your own, be sure to hit up Terpp. If I'm not mistaken, they will be able to provide parts a la carte. Which I think is awesome. Especially for us Colorado folk

Bhogarts are not too cheap or unsafe. Please make accurate statements. I run 700g per run and get between 85- 130g return with 2 showers with outdoor shake.

 

[theJointedOne]

cool thread,

how about some links to home c02 setups??

i had one bookmarked, but now its gone

Id like t make some c02 oi at home. I know they make a small home system i just cant find the link

 

[krunchbubble]

To start:
Terpp's website works
They respond quickly to calls/emails/IG/etc
They treat their customers with kindness and respect

Redbeard:
Seems to have problems communicating with customers
I have seen him handle problems with customers poorly, and inappropriately
Inaccurate shipping times
Website does not work

To me the choice is clear. The above information is based on facts btw, not my opinion.

If you want my opinion, it will be horribly biased and not of much use.

To me, BHOgart, Sweet leaf, and Tamisium can't be compared to any of the mkiii companies. BHOgart is too cheap, unsafe, what ever. Sweetleaf is overpriced. Tami's are passive IIRC. And honestly, as someone who just went through all of this, I don't know why anyone would consider anything but a mkiii.

If you chose to build your own, be sure to hit up Terpp. If I'm not mistaken, they will be able to provide parts a la carte. Which I think is awesome. Especially for us Colorado folk

Wow, pretty sure you dont have a clue what your talking about...

 

[HighStateToke]

cool thread,

how about some links to home c02 setups??

i had one bookmarked, but now its gone

Id like t make some c02 oi at home. I know they make a small home system i just cant find the link

This may be what you are referring to

http://jyndustriez.blogspot.com/p/my-supercritical-extractor-and-method.html

 

[Lono]

Bhogarts are not too cheap or unsafe. Please make accurate statements. I run 700g per run and get between 85- 130g return with 2 showers with outdoor shake.

Your right. I should have been more specific. Rushed through that, and I apologize. What I meant to say was, I feel that some of the components could be replaced with higher quality ones. The hoses for example. I know they offer SS as an option now which is cool. Have heard problems with welds with their rc tanks in the past.

when I said bhogart is too cheap, unsafe, etc. that is other peoples opinions. And I have heard it from enough people who do know what they are talking about to feel comfortable repeating it. That is information that is out there in other threads on this site.

 

[Lono]

Wow, pretty sure you dont have a clue what your talking about...

look sorry if I offended you, I definitely should have been more specific. Wasn't fair to you. But your unit is cheap, thats a fact. Why is it cheaper? Parts. Nothing wrong with that. Idk if you guys have changed, but a month ago when I was looking into getting a unit from you, a found a few cases of leaky rc tanks. Saw something else about the sight glass. I'm sure you know about these issues though. So yeah, meant no disrespect. Just trying to contribute to the thread. So please correct me where I'm wrong.

 

[Lono]

whats makes u say that?
i just see myself leaning twords bhogart in the future so would wanna be informed.


seems like alot of people online like them and have good results.

i dont care either way i would just like to know about the possible dangers of using one compared to one of the other companies products mentioned.

I just recommend reading the info about the safety issues. Pretty sure they resolved it but I can't say for sure. Safety is the most important thing here period. Wasn't trying to bash the unit, I'm just not going to hold back that kind of information. So far, I haven't heard of any other issues like that with any other units.

 

[zeet]

look sorry if I offended you, I definitely should have been more specific. Wasn't fair to you. But your unit is cheap, thats a fact. Why is it cheaper? Parts. Nothing wrong with that. Idk if you guys have changed, but a month ago when I was looking into getting a unit from you, a found a few cases of leaky rc tanks. Saw something else about the sight glass. I'm sure you know about these issues though. So yeah, meant no disrespect. Just trying to contribute to the thread. So please correct me where I'm wrong.

Krunch isn't affiliated with BHOgart in any way other than being a customer. He is right though...it's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[zeet]

^^ Since you admit you should be more specific, then how about telling us what parts are sooo cheap in the bhogart system? It's all 304 ss parts that are the exact same thing that one would get if ordering from Glacier and assembling themselves. The hoses are jsut fine and the only issue with them is that they are not suitable for cryo temps but not everybody runs cryo temps. You said yourself that they now offer them for people that need that sort of setup. So what's your beef exactly?

 

[zeet]

I meant they now offer ptfe/ss braid hoses for folks looking for that sort of setup.

Funny you have nothing to say about the appion, which i see you ordered, and that machine has lots of documented faults when using it in this application.

Bhogart works great, i know, I run it 2 or three times a day & my biggest concern is how long my Appion is going to last.

 

[Hash Man]

Your right. I should have been more specific. Rushed through that, and I apologize. What I meant to say was, I feel that some of the components could be replaced with higher quality ones. The hoses for example. I know they offer SS as an option now which is cool. Have heard problems with welds with their rc tanks in the past.

when I said bhogart is too cheap, unsafe, etc. that is other peoples opinions. And I have heard it from enough people who do know what they are talking about to feel comfortable repeating it. That is information that is out there in other threads on this site.

They have cheaper prices because the source steel in mass. I have been using the standard unit and manifold this whole time. You dont need stainless steel unless using dry ice or something similar. Again, bhogart will send u a terp copy if you order one and they have stainless hoses too. Just cause you believe something is true because you read it somewhere does not mean it is the truth. Lots of misinformation is spread on this site so certain guys can sell a few extra extractors.

The design is different but the terp and the bhogart are made from the same materials. Sanitary spools, clamps, gaskets, and valves. Another argument is the solvent tank. I will say that i like bhogarts smaller tanks because if water makes its way into the tank, you are not going to have to dump as much solvent as someone using a much larger tank.

Also the sight glasses are sources from paramount or glacier. So a leak can occur on any system. Also the sight glass mist be hand tightened and fitted with buna gaskets... So the leak is either overuse or user error.

The leaky tanks happened back when bhogart first came out. I bought mine off craigslist before they got big. The welds were done by hand by the owner. When they expanded as a company, they started outsourcing their welding to a professional welding shop. I have both tanks and the new one is pro.

I know you have done your research but now it is time for you to get some experience. Get the extractor you like and post up about your runs. All this talk over which is better is ridiculous. Ot comes down to how you work tour extract in the end.

Have you noticed how many guys that win cups are using bhogarts? A lot.

 

[Lono]

^^ Since you admit you should be more specific, then how about telling us what parts are sooo cheap in the bhogart system? It's all 304 ss parts that are the exact same thing that one would get if ordering from Glacier and assembling themselves. The hoses are jsut fine and the only issue with them is that they are not suitable for cryo temps but not everybody runs cryo temps. You said yourself that they now offer them for people that need that sort of setup. So what's your beef exactly?

Damn, again not specific enough.

what i MEANT was: bhogart is 'too cheap, unsafe, etc'...other peoples words, other peoples opinions. Just stating why I wouldn't compare it to a mkiiia. But I guess the real differences, which I can't say effect performance or quality or anything, is the lack of a vent hose, and top feed instead of a bottom. You get what you pay for with a closed loop. spend the extra money on better shit, worst that can happen is its too safe. Why people want to save money and cut corners on something like a closed loop extractor is beyond me.

Back to the discussion...

Bhogart: Top fed, no vent tube, 6x6 spool, 2x36 or 3x36 tube-$1495

Redbeard: Mkiii, slightly modified I believe(sight glass on collection pot, different vent line, correct me if I'm wrong)-$1500

Terpp: Mkiii, 1.5x24 column, flexible vent line,-$1790(2090 w/ SS hoses)

Sweetleaf- here is the price list. https://www.facebook.com/notes/sweet-leaf-extractor/sweet-leaf-price-list/1436243219953812
$3500 for their smallest unit and it's a V!, so no dewax. The dewax units are 1500 and 2500. (for a spool with a sleeve welded on it lol. Better have a chunk of gold hidden in there)

Tamisium-The base model is $1500. Don't know much about it so if someone with a tami wants to pop in thatd be cool. Pretty sure passive recovery only. Only things I've ever heard Tami owners say is that they love their unit.

Hopefully that gets things moving in the right direction. Don't know what I'm talking about? Maybe. Could I have worded my original statement better? Absolutely.

 

[Lono]

I meant they now offer ptfe/ss braid hoses for folks looking for that sort of setup.

Funny you have nothing to say about the appion, which i see you ordered, and that machine has lots of documented faults when using it in this application.

Bhogart works great, i know, I run it 2 or three times a day & my biggest concern is how long my Appion is going to last.

I got the appion because I couldn't find something better that didn't cost 2-3x more. If you have a suggestion for another pump, please do share

 

[Lono]

They have cheaper prices because the source steel in mass. I have been using the standard unit and manifold this whole time. You dont need stainless steel unless using dry ice or something similar. Again, bhogart will send u a terp copy if you order one and they have stainless hoses too. Just cause you believe something is true because you read it somewhere does not mean it is the truth. Lots of misinformation is spread on this site so certain guys can sell a few extra extractors.

The design is different but the terp and the bhogart are made from the same materials. Sanitary spools, clamps, gaskets, and valves. Another argument is the solvent tank. I will say that i like bhogarts smaller tanks because if water makes its way into the tank, you are not going to have to dump as much solvent as someone using a much larger tank.

Also the sight glasses are sources from paramount or glacier. So a leak can occur on any system. Also the sight glass mist be hand tightened and fitted with buna gaskets... So the leak is either overuse or user error.

The leaky tanks happened back when bhogart first came out. I bought mine off craigslist before they got big. The welds were done by hand by the owner. When they expanded as a company, they started outsourcing their welding to a professional welding shop. I have both tanks and the new one is pro.

I know you have done your research but now it is time for you to get some experience. Get the extractor you like and post up about your runs. All this talk over which is better is ridiculous. Ot comes down to how you work tour extract in the end.

Have you noticed how many guys that win cups are using bhogarts? A lot.

You're totally right man! Pretty sure a lot of the stuff I mentioned was RB spreading misinfo.

@ bhogart sending you a terp copy upon request. Maybe to you, a valued customer, but I called just a month ago and asked for just that. I was told the units are sold as is, no options. Which contradicts what I was told at the cup. "We will make the unit to your needs." If they do, that's awesome! I was just under the impression that they didn't.

@bhogart winning cups, the extractor they used is irrelevant. Put gold in, get gold out. Those same guys would have one using different machines like a mk, an ETS, an emotek, don't you think?

I agree, the talk of which is better IS ridiculous. Which is why the only thing I talk about is safety, and customer service. You have to admit, the beginning of that bhogart thread doesn't make them seem that great at all. Granted that was 8 months ago. But I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from having read that thread yourself.