meltybubble
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Find the first one to be a good product,goes along way used right.
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New Gold Bottle of Roots Excelurator
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what was the removed ingredient. i dont understand what this product is. it has 2 rooting hormones and bennies if im not mistaken.
I asked H&G Tech if the anaerobic bacteria in RE would affect a dwc tea or how it would be best to use it in a tea, then I also asked how RE was changed and use of strong aeration.
here is my answer
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Hi Joseph,
The Roots Excel Gold is the original formula with some additional ingredients added to it. This is the reason it has a different odor and texture. There are additional amino acids and microbes added . We recommend .5 ml per gal. in DWC or environments with heavy oxygen being pumped through it . We have seen a bio-film form when ran at full strength in these environments. This product does not require time to brew. Add it to the tea at the end , it will add diversity to any tea .
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so there is only added ingredients to the formula no minus anything claimed by this rep of H&G, great answers I guess I'm going to have to trust them. btw "dwc tea" after 1 day treatment with new white roots already 1/4in plus every where.
here is my answer
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Hi Joseph,
The Roots Excel Gold is the original formula with some additional ingredients added to it. This is the reason it has a different odor and texture. There are additional amino acids and microbes added . We recommend .5 ml per gal. in DWC or environments with heavy oxygen being pumped through it . We have seen a bio-film form when ran at full strength in these environments. This product does not require time to brew. Add it to the tea at the end , it will add diversity to any tea .
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so there is only added ingredients to the formula no minus anything claimed by this rep of H&G, great answers I guess I'm going to have to trust them. btw "dwc tea" after 1 day treatment with new white roots already 1/4in plus every where.
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We would recommend to feed with Roots separately from the Tea. The product has changed slightly but still works better that any other rooting stimulant out there. Roots Excel and SM90 absolutely do not play well together and that was true even for the other formulation. It is recommended to run Roots Excelurator at 1/4 to 1/2 strength in all DWC systems. It is also recommended to control the air in those systems. When the air is running aggressively like a hot tub or something, those levels of oxygen can be too much so it is recommended to turn the air down. The feed chart that is available on the House and Garden website for DWC systems works very well and the dosage rates are accurate.
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I got this email the next day. they have better described use for aggressive aeration.
meltybubble
Member
Is the gold bottle is it not called Roots Stimulator, roots excel is still for sale also when I looked.
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CecilGreenLeaf
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I have also moved on, im using startboost now and could not be happier.
I assume it used to have Indole-3-butyric acid and now it is some kind of bacterial culture? I wonder why they pulled the hormone, most of the fancy rooting additives still have it in there. Fwiw coconuts is spot on with sm90. He got me using it at 2mls per every feed and stuff has never looked better.
I agree sm 90 is proving tobe a lot more useful for dwc, and RE is pretty useless unless u have a 0 oxygen rez that sits around for ur dirt.
and to the guy who said use Sm90 and RE at same time must be joking go ahead and take a 5gal pale put base nutes, some RE at regular strength and some sm90 and then put a leaf in the bucket and watch the bad reaction happen, by the next day there will be some sorta culture growing off the leaf, NOT TO MENTION the RE company said do not use together it will definitely be bad, Come on.
Yo, jomofo, they work fine together. I do it all the time. In dwc, flood and drain, and soil. Put a leaf in there and watch the reaction? You must be joking lol. What does that have to do with anything? You think a detatched leaf immersed in a solution has similar reactions to a living plant and what it takes up through its roots!? Thats just nuts. Not to mention "the company" house and garden, said that for one reason. They havent tested it and they dont want you buying anyones shit but theirs. Also they cannot gauruntee any type of success with anyone elses product. I use stuff from many companies.
my gallery says it all I went through hell, because I did not do dead rez with h2o2, instead I thought RE would keep roots pearly white no question, well it did not. I ended up with the slime shit, that's already wrapped up my new cycle is going to blow by my dirt plants atm things are looking really good. and im using dnf hydrosparkle with sm90 as protectant. the pics speak for itself, I also eliminated anything I could not clean physically with a rag so only water pumps have been used from previous top feed system. \
also imo if something is growing weird shit in a bucket with its nutes, it make me not wanna give to my plants for some reason it don't seem right. even if its not RE alones fault my experience in trying to change my regime to include RE has been terrible, oh and this will top it off even more now house and garden is saying not only is the new gold RE different formula, they Stated that the Canada and USA formulas are different then one and another just to comply with laws. so what roots is the best on market the old silver the us or Canadian and I bet there is prob different for EU too. and they admit that full strength RE will cause a sludge film when used in dwc, yet again does not sound right to me. and the only time my water has done anything funky in a 5 gal pale was when I added sm90 to the nutes I had RE in. I know your a senior member, no disrespect, but it doesn't mean your on the money.
also imo if something is growing weird shit in a bucket with its nutes, it make me not wanna give to my plants for some reason it don't seem right. even if its not RE alones fault my experience in trying to change my regime to include RE has been terrible, oh and this will top it off even more now house and garden is saying not only is the new gold RE different formula, they Stated that the Canada and USA formulas are different then one and another just to comply with laws. so what roots is the best on market the old silver the us or Canadian and I bet there is prob different for EU too. and they admit that full strength RE will cause a sludge film when used in dwc, yet again does not sound right to me. and the only time my water has done anything funky in a 5 gal pale was when I added sm90 to the nutes I had RE in. I know your a senior member, no disrespect, but it doesn't mean your on the money.
Couple things to add here. First SM90 and RE work just fine together, been mixing them in my own garden for over year, no issues. Second, RE has definitely gone to shit with this "new" formula. Pisses me off that I just bought a big bottle, only to find it doesn't hardly do a thing any more. Using it @ 2ml per gal. on my clones is having a small effect over the control group. 1ml of the old formula had shit going gangbusters...... To the guy that said RE is causing weird growth on a leaf left in water, of course it is. You added a sugar source (molasses in the RE) to a bucket of water, that alone will cause a bloom of bacteria.
Thank you mister d, thank you. Sometimes being a senior member does mean youre on the money. Jo, ive mixed them for a long time. They work fine, your issues are/were unrelated. This may add to the confusion but i actualy have stellar results with the new gold formula all around. As a r.e. user for many years on and off, id have to say the gold seems better than ever. I always loved it sometimes i just ran out or didnt feel like spending the change on it at the time.
purplypurps
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The old silver bottle of RE was the best out of the bottle roots additive by far! It would defend against pythium, bad bacteria and keep my roots growing rapidly and pristine. You see I am on a well. I have an ro filter and uv sterilizer to combat the pathogens in my water, but still had root rot issues arise here and there because of high counts of bad bacteria and pathogens. The old formula silver bottle of RE was the silver bullet for me, It would defend against the pathogens in my well water. The new and disimproved gold bottle is garbage and will not defend against pythium and does little for root growth IME. I have tried every which way to include the new RE into my lineup. Only way I have found to do it is to directly add it to your plants, or hand water it in. That is alot of hassle for a minimum of root improvement that i have seen. Personally I have given up on RE and went looking for something new. I have tried just about every root additive on the market, specifically looking for one that will defend against bad bacteria and pathogens in the water while promoting root growth. In my search for something that will work for me i found 3 solutions.
One solution i found that comes in a bottle and is expensive as hell and I hate to even mention it because I hate this company but anyways, Voodoo Juice worked for me and my situation as a ready to go out of the bottle solution. I used Voodoo at half the reccomended dose, and it worked.
Second solution is ACT, inexpensive to make and works just as good if not better than the old RE and Voodoo. I make it in a DIY 5 gallon vortex brewer. My ingredients in my ACT is geared towards root defense and growth and are as follows.
4 gallons RO water
1 tsp MycoApply (innoculant)
2 cups Earth Worm Casting
2 tsp Water Soluble Kelp
100 ml Unsulphured Molasses
Brew for 24-48hrs and its ready! I dose this tea once a week as follows. I add 1 cup of tea to a gallon of ph'ed 500 ppm solution.
Third Solution, Run a sterile system, use H2o2, DM Zone, Hydrosparkle, or CLEAR RES.
One solution i found that comes in a bottle and is expensive as hell and I hate to even mention it because I hate this company but anyways, Voodoo Juice worked for me and my situation as a ready to go out of the bottle solution. I used Voodoo at half the reccomended dose, and it worked.
Second solution is ACT, inexpensive to make and works just as good if not better than the old RE and Voodoo. I make it in a DIY 5 gallon vortex brewer. My ingredients in my ACT is geared towards root defense and growth and are as follows.
4 gallons RO water
1 tsp MycoApply (innoculant)
2 cups Earth Worm Casting
2 tsp Water Soluble Kelp
100 ml Unsulphured Molasses
Brew for 24-48hrs and its ready! I dose this tea once a week as follows. I add 1 cup of tea to a gallon of ph'ed 500 ppm solution.
Third Solution, Run a sterile system, use H2o2, DM Zone, Hydrosparkle, or CLEAR RES.
ok if that is the case I will accept that RE and sm could be used together, it also seemed like my RE may have been going bad. It was not long after that same timing that I seen mothers start getting yellow spots really bad, like they green was washed right out of them in spots all over, in the same couple weeks of the water going funny overnight once(with no sugar/molasses, I said a leaf fell in), it was same time I put sm90 into bucket for moms. also I was using with my dwc and way before the RE smelled funny it still went to funk before any other additives in the dwc but the sm and base nutes. So I assumed it was a reaction between the 2, and in talking to H&G they tried to say that would be bad, However directly after that my next time I opened my RE it was starting to get a really bad smell, and the earthy smell it gave water was gone it made the water smell foul too. so that could explain the bad yelling/bleaching. I only kept the RE in a 75-77F room nvr in the direct light path shaded by bigger stuff. So maybe even if the RE starts to even get any funny odour has meant it has expired from poor storage. but either way I only want to have stuff that I need to worry that it does not freeze, and as far as the tea goes it takes a fair amount of time to prepare something that you need to make sure you have ready and kept chilled and you are putting a sugar into the brew if used to soon can have too much left over or brewed too long could start to decrease the bennies your after, that's an art of its own to get the hang of. it may save money and work well when you got it right but is a place where error can be made. im on solution 3 using hydrosparkle and the sm together in lower amounts then req a little more sm then the sparkle. I let H&G confirm that for me and believed every word like they knew what was up, however it is possible that the sulfur in sm could kill/holdback some of the bennies in RE, but as far as a reaction to cause the spotting is not the case and the growth idk what it was, but it had to be the RE as sm90 shouldn't have anything live in it.
the rep told me its in a gold bottle cos it sells better than silver so marketing psychology
does this stuff have gibberellic acid in it?
does this stuff have gibberellic acid in it?
on a side note, i am amazed at the sheer number and qty of additives you guys dump in your rez's. maxi bloom nutes, silica, and dm zone for me. kiss!
does this stuff have gibberellic acid in it?
this is one of the theories regarding "DUD"ING.
on a side note, i am amazed at the sheer number and qty of additives you guys dump in your rez's. maxi bloom nutes, silica, and dm zone for me. kiss!
Problem with Roots Excel
Problem with Roots Excel
Hello, I have been using Roots for 10 years now. I have always really liked the product, but like others I've noticed it has changed. The product seems to be less effective. Also, I recently bought a new "gold" bottle in February. I was under the impression that it has a shelf life of a year, give or take. I am half way through the bottle, I opened the bottle today, and there was mold growing on the inside of the container. Has anyone ever witnessed this? Is it a problem possibly? I'm afraid of using it now. I am also disappointed if they have changed the product, and did not label that it has a shorter shelf life. Anyone have any info / advice I'd greatly appreciate it. Aswell, they products are always closed, in a cool, dry area. Like I said, 10 years using the product first time this has happened, the old stuff never had a issue with.
Problem with Roots Excel
Hello, I have been using Roots for 10 years now. I have always really liked the product, but like others I've noticed it has changed. The product seems to be less effective. Also, I recently bought a new "gold" bottle in February. I was under the impression that it has a shelf life of a year, give or take. I am half way through the bottle, I opened the bottle today, and there was mold growing on the inside of the container. Has anyone ever witnessed this? Is it a problem possibly? I'm afraid of using it now. I am also disappointed if they have changed the product, and did not label that it has a shorter shelf life. Anyone have any info / advice I'd greatly appreciate it. Aswell, they products are always closed, in a cool, dry area. Like I said, 10 years using the product first time this has happened, the old stuff never had a issue with.
^^^ I haven't had mold, but it's definitely more reactive than the old formula and not in a good way. I'm finishing out my grow for the summer and then I'll weigh if I have the issues figured out and if my crop recovered enough for me to purchase another bottle. The old silver bottle would likely have kept me a customer and happy about it for life.
I hope you are paying attention Mr. Van De Zwaan. This could make or cost you MANY customers.
I hope you are paying attention Mr. Van De Zwaan. This could make or cost you MANY customers.
