Operation Retirement - $nype Style!

[Snype]

Now some thoughts up to this point in the LightDep plants. Originally I didn't even want to take unrooted cuttings for this crop until April 1st but I happen to be pruning the MOMs well before and this crop had their roots and were transferred to soil on March 29th. Because of this the plants started to take up too much room in one of the Veg rooms and I felt that they would suffer more if I didn't put them outside. I've purposely kept the room as cold as I could the last 30 days just to try and prepare them for their first outdoor stint. I also thought that it would be a better idea to Veg them under T5's instead of HID's because it just made more sense to me. I'm hoping that because the plants are going to get much more intense light outside that it'll be harder for them to flower prematurely from being out so early out in this area. From the people that we talk to, they all don't have any plants outdoors at the moment. I'm hoping that I made the right decision. The weather predictions say that we could hit 43F as a low in the next couple of days and then it's all 50's for the low.

As far as the soil mix, I played around with the base for hours trying to figure out the consistency that I wanted. I kept changing ideas of what would feel right to these plants. I wanted to try a more dense mix at first, but then I thought about the pot sizes and it seemed better to go to a medium density for the base. I want to experiment with a denser mix in smaller pots indoors.

There were amendments that I really wanted to use that I just didn't have access to like Pacific Oyster Shell and Neem Meal. I'm sure I'll experiment with various mixes for indoor this year and share what I find. But for this LightDep mix, I mixed 2 CU Foot batches of:

5 Gallons SPGM Peat Moss
4 Gallons Top Soil
3 Gallons Perlite
3 Gallons Earth Worm Castings
4 Cups Azomite Powder
1 Cup Dolomite Powder
1 Cup Dolomite Pellet
2 Cups Bone Meal
1 Cup Blood Meal
1 Cup Kelp Meal
1.5 Gallons of Water and 1.5 TB Liquid Karma and 1.5 mL of Primordial Solutions Sea Green.

I also water the plants every other watering with 0.5 mL of Primordial Solutions Sea Green per Gallon.

I'm not sure how this mix will be but I want to do lots of research to figure out which things break down faster than others and how long all these products break down to plan out my mix better. It seems that all the outdoor people that I've talked too aren't really scientific with their mixes and I want to think more about the numbers that I want to give to my plants and prepare with how they break down over time. I want a more just add water mix but we will see how this formula does. I'll take a soil test every week to see how it all looks.

The plot that we chose for the next couple of weeks still needs some work that we will do this week but tomorrow we have a lot of running around to do as well as some construction. Hope all your grows are doing well!

 

[bobblehead]

Wait a minute... you can blow $40k at the casino, but dont have health insurance? And you live on a farm? It's not a matter of if, it's when you will need it... not to mention your self diagnosed bipolar disorder that you can get meds for to help when you're clinically depressed or so manic you can't sleep...

Good luck with your outdoor season.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

I highly recommend getting insured and some getting some supplemental lighting over your plants. They will flower with out the interruption of light.

 

[Snype]

Wait a minute... you can blow $40k at the casino, but dont have health insurance? And you live on a farm? It's not a matter of if, it's when you will need it... not to mention your self diagnosed bipolar disorder that you can get meds for to help when you're clinically depressed or so manic you can't sleep...

Good luck with your outdoor season.

I don't believe in health insurance. It's all another big scam like everything else. As far as meds, It's all fake like everything else. I was researching fire signs and there seems to be a relationship to fire sings and bipolar disorder. Another scam for the drug companies to rake in profits. How many more disorders will they create to the cattle.

I highly recommend getting insured and some getting some supplemental lighting over your plants. They will flower with out the interruption of light.

Maybe your right. I purposely put them out when they were supposed to be in their dark cycle. Tonight shouldn't hinder them too much for me to figure things out. When I brought this up to reputable guys in the area, the laughed at me and said those guys don't know what they are talking about. I don't know why they would be lying to me. They have a lot to lose but I won't explain why. They specifically said that we get some of the most Sun in the country but it's just not as intense as NorCal. Maybe they are full of shit. I really don't know. I'll figure it all out soon. These aren't early finishers so I think there may be other variables to consider. Some of these have Sativa traits.

 

[COconnect]

A little late to the party, definitely filling up a beer and sitting down. Good luck man.

 

[Snype]

According to data that I'm looking at, my latitude is giving 15 hours and 45 minutes of light while the area's of Humboldt County that I'm looking at give 15 Hours and 24 Minutes. That means that I'm getting 21 more minutes of light compared to some of you west coast NorCal guys. In less than a week I'll be getting 16 hours of light outside. So when the guys around my way said that we get more light here than the Humboldt guys, I guess they were right. I'm not trying to doubt anyone but many people are saying different things. I really think there are more variables to consider when talking about premature flowering but what do I know, this is my first outdoor crop. I'm not saying that my plants aren't going to go into flowering prematurely but we will see how I handle this in time. It supposed to hit 45 degrees F between 4 and 6am tomorrow morning. I hope the plants are fine at those temps. I can't sleep just thinking about them.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

Maybe your right. I purposely put them out when they were supposed to be in their dark cycle. Tonight shouldn't hinder them too much for me to figure things out. When I brought this up to reputable guys in the area, the laughed at me and said those guys don't know what they are talking about. I don't know why they would be lying to me. They have a lot to lose but I won't explain why. They specifically said that we get some of the most Sun in the country but it's just not as intense as NorCal. Maybe they are full of shit. I really don't know. I'll figure it all out soon. These aren't early finishers so I think there may be other variables to consider. Some of these have Sativa traits.

I wish you success with your grow Snype. Interrupting the dark cycle has been used since the Gardens of Babylon. I'm not sure what makes Maine a special place where you don't need to alter the photoperiod of annual plants in order to time them right, but OK.

The Emerald Triangle invented outdoor growing on a commercial scale I'm not really sure how you could make a claim like people out here in the Triangle don't know what they're doing.

I'm not interested in what your "advisors" have to lose. What you have to lose is a successful crop.

What I'm interested in is to hear what the people who do know what they are doing, are doing...

We do it a certain way out here because there are multiple generations that have put in the work to come up with the "Method" which is to use Big soil and water storage , Supplemental light to prevent flowering , genetics with hybrid vigor , and drip irrigation...

Again, best of luck Snype. I'll quit posting any advice to you because you haven't solicited any and you refuse to even entertain the idea that some one may know what they're talking about, just keep an eye on the Big Plants out doors thread...to see what us Cali guys who don't know what they're doing, are doing.

 

[ELBURRO]

Snype just to be on the safe put sup lighting . Nice thread hope you have great year.

 

[ELBURRO]

Sup lighting

 

[Snype]

I wish you success with your grow Snype. Interrupting the dark cycle has been used since the Gardens of Babylon. I'm not sure what makes Maine a special place where you don't need to alter the photoperiod of annual plants in order to time them right, but OK.

The Emerald Triangle invented outdoor growing on a commercial scale I'm not really sure how you could make a claim like people out here in the Triangle don't know what they're doing.

I'm not interested in what your "advisors" have to lose. What you have to lose is a successful crop.

What I'm interested in is to hear what the people who do know what they are doing, are doing...

We do it a certain way out here because there are multiple generations that have put in the work to come up with the "Method" which is to use Big soil and water storage , Supplemental light to prevent flowering , genetics with hybrid vigor , and drip irrigation...

Again, best of luck Snype. I'll quit posting any advice to you because you haven't solicited any and you refuse to even entertain the idea that some one may know what they're talking about, just keep an eye on the Big Plants out doors thread...to see what us Cali guys who don't know what they're doing, are doing.

I enjoy your advise but that doesn't mean that what works for you in NorCal is the final law everywhere. So I guess what you are saying is that my plants will 100% start to flower. What if what you are saying is wrong? What if I keep my plants this way and they don't flower prematurely? Hopefully I can prove you wrong but it's not a contest, just a healthy debate. You are trying to say that there are no other variables at all to consider besides it's mid may. I don't know if I can believe that. I've read other threads in NorCal where plants didn't flower prematurely in NorCal from clone. They specifically stated that there are more variables to consider when talking about premature flowering like nutrients and temperature for example. So who am I supposed to believe? I'm basically getting 16 hours of light right now. I think you will agree that when you put your plants out on June 1st that you don't need to worry about supplemental lighting. Do you realize that the hours of light that I receive right now is similar to what you will be getting on June 1st. That's another variable to consider. Like I said I enjoy your advice but if I took everybody's advice on here, I don't think I'd be doing too well. This is more of a learning experience for me. My indoor is my bread and butter. Do you know how hot it would be for me to add supplemental lighting in my area? It's not like where you are. All the other mountains around me would see it and I'm already establishing a bad rep out here just from being from out of state and going bigger than most here. I appreciate all of your advice though.

 

[J.V]

Hey Snipe.........I had the same thought......I was not sure if you were in a medical state or not.....If your grow is 100 percent illegal, sup lighting....would stand out . In the right location, it could be done...In an isolated area, with some cover....but on flat country, with people living around you, or above.....some sticky beak would get curious.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

300 acres is a half section of land...a section is a square mile or 640 acres...pretty sure that he can do it...best of luck snype

 

[JointOperation]

snype be very careful with those ticks man.. my best bud that only grows outdoors.. got lyme disease last year.. and it completely disabled him.. no more outdoors for him at all.. his entire body aches all day long.. its sad to see .. we set up a hydro indoor operation to keep his medicine alive.. but ticks cause alot of FUCKED UP PROBLEMS... we use duranon repellent by Coulston. its a spray.. was tested in Maine by hunters in 2013 in bangor maine..

http://bangordailynews.com/2013/05/08/outdoors/mainers-share-methods-of-keeping-ticks-off/

thats the news article that made me go out and buy it..

also the green mountain tick repellent works great too.. and its right up in vermont.. very quick shipping.. and its all natural.. so its safe for dogs and humans..

 

[Snype]

snype be very careful with those ticks man.. my best bud that only grows outdoors.. got lyme disease last year.. and it completely disabled him.. no more outdoors for him at all.. his entire body aches all day long.. its sad to see .. we set up a hydro indoor operation to keep his medicine alive.. but ticks cause alot of FUCKED UP PROBLEMS... we use duranon repellent by Coulston. its a spray.. was tested in Maine by hunters in 2013 in bangor maine..

http://bangordailynews.com/2013/05/08/outdoors/mainers-share-methods-of-keeping-ticks-off/

thats the news article that made me go out and buy it..

Shit man that sucks. I was so tired last night that I didn't check my head for ticks after pulling a few out. Snypette had a tick imbedded in her head. When I pulled it out, it seemed that it didn't all come out but I couldn't find a head in her. She has a lot of hair so it's hard to see. I didn't realize these things were so bad. i'm sorry about your friend.

 

[Snype]

Temperatures hit 40 degrees F over the night. The plants all look just fine! I'm tired and sore and I'm going to try and not do too much heavy lifting today.

 

[stasis]

Plants are likely to go to flower, then back to veg, and back to flower. This stresses out the plant -causes essential oils to form prematurely, which can lead to Powdery Mildew or Botrytis on the stems, losing a whole plant.

I would recommend waiting to put them out. As others here have observed in CA, like myself.

One thing I do NOT recommend is to make the mistake of being prideful, and trying to 'reinvent he wheel.' This is a sure sign of rookieness, and a huge cause for failure - which is NOT an option.

Remember: A little information can be dangerous, AS we say in the Cannabis world.

 

[Snype]

Plants are likely to go to flower, then back to veg, and back to flower. This stresses out the plant -causes essential oils to form prematurely, which can lead to Powdery Mildew or Botrytis on the stems, losing a whole plant.

I would recommend waiting to put them out. As others here have observed in CA, like myself.

One thing I do NOT recommend is to make the mistake of being prideful, and trying to 'reinvent he wheel.' This is a sure sign of rookieness, and a huge cause for failure - which is NOT an option.

Remember: A little information can be dangerous, AS we say in the Cannabis world.

Can you explain the fact that I get the same hours of light now that you guys have in June. Why can you guys put out plants in June with no supplemental light and I have the light now that you don't have till June? Did you take this into consideration? Are you also taking light intensity into consideration from purposely using T5's in VEG and placing them out into intense sunlight?

 

[redlaser]

I've heard that there are strains that can go out before June without flowering but I can't name any. If there is no room indoors, maybe a quick pvc hut (blacked out) would let you run lights to keep them in veg longer? As far as insurance, nobody wants to pay for it but sometimes you need it. A friend of mine and his family were hit by a distracted driver recently. The medical bills are in the low seven figures. Bad situation but it shows how easy it is to run up a massive medical bill.

 

[Snype]

I love how no one can answer a simple question but they can tell me that my plants are going to 100% go into flowering even though I'm getting close to 16 hours of light outdoors. I'll ask the question one last time incase anyone is actually paying attention:

Can you explain the fact that I get the same hours of light now that you guys have in June. Why can you guys put out plants in June with no supplemental light and I have the hours of light now that you don't have till June? Did you take this into consideration? Are you also taking light intensity into consideration from purposely using T5's in VEG and placing them out into intense sunlight?

You guys have fun with your health insurance. I'm saving around 3k every year (maybe more) by not having insurance. Plus no one wants to talk about their deductibles for their health insurance scams as well as how they cap you after spending a certain amount. The last 17 years I haven't paid a dime for insurance so I saved 10's of thousands of dollars. Keep giving the companies your hard earned money so you can continue to get raped. It's a much better idea to just put the money in a bank account instead and when you get sick just pay for it in cash if you need to. No one wants to think about that though.

Is it really right to pay for insurance from the age of 18 to 40? How sick are you really going to get when you are in perfect health? Most doctors treat everyone like a bunch of animals. Do what your doctor tells you to do guys or you may just end up with some savings and good health.

 

[Snype]

The Health Insurance Trap:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/05/09/the-health-insurance-trap/

"Health care costs are too damn high—and they’re only getting worse. Last week, researchers at Harvard and Dartmouth released a report estimating that health care costs will continue to grow faster than the economy for at least the next two decades. This is a tremendous burden on average Americans, who already spend nearly a fifth of their average annual pre-tax income on health care.

Why can’t Obamacare stop this trend? Because the law doubles down on one of the biggest contributing factors to the high price of medical care: Health insurance.

Health insurance is a complicated system that serves patients’ needs last. It introduces a third party into the doctor-patient relationship. This can be a private company—such as modern insurance companies—or the government—such as in Medicare and Medicaid.

Third party entities don’t spend money like you and I do. We care about two things when we buy a product: quality and affordability. Insurance providers aren’t overly concerned about either. Affordability isn’t their biggest concern because they’re spending someone else’s money—their members’ premiums. They’re also not concerned as much about quality because they’re spending that money on someone other than themselves—the patients receiving treatment.

This is a basic reflection of human nature. It’s also the single worst way to spend money, according to the late Noble Prize-winning economist Milton Friedman. The best arrangement, as he demonstrated through his economic work, occurs when individuals spend their own money on themselves.

That’s not what happens with health insurance. When insurers—whether a private insurer or the government, as happens under Obamacare—set prices, they negotiate compensation schedules with providers and facilities. But they don’t have to bargain hard enough to reach the best price possible. They just have to reach a price that is good enough—one that allows them to charge premiums that compete well with rival insurers. They pass on the difference to us, their premium-paying customers.

This only further drives up the cost of health care. Once insured, patients like you and me, along with the health care providers that contract with insurers, continue to spend money in inefficient and wasteful ways. The system encourages us to do just this: Health insurance gives us the illusion that we’re spending other people’s money when we get medical treatment.

I don’t know about you, but I’m not exactly frugal when I have someone else’s checkbook. Because of this basic human impulse, Friedman labeled this the second worst way to spend money.

In other words, health insurance perversely relies upon the two worst ways to spend money.

So why not cut out the middle man entirely, along the lines of most European countries? Their “single payer” health care system eliminates private health insurance companies altogether. In their place, the government acts as the sole health insurance provider.

This doesn’t fix a thing. When the government becomes the insurance company monopoly, such as in Europe or Canada, we see long wait times and rationed care. In America, a single-payer system would require putting the entire country on a system similar to Medicaid. But Medicaid consistently struggles with high costs, poor health outcomes, and decreased access to care. In both Europe and America, limiting patient choice and restricting treatment options are the only ways to keep costs down.

Obamacare bears this out. Plans currently offered on health care exchanges frequently include smaller doctor and hospital networks. Many patients must now decide whether they want relative affordability or more options.

Compare this to a health care system without third party insurance companies, whether public or private. It already exists—and it’s working. In the fields of cosmetic surgery, Lasik eye surgery, alternative medicine, and dentistry, the absence—or minimal presence—of third party entities has driven prices down and quality and service up.

There’s also a growing market of health care providers who refuse to accept third party insurance or Medicaid precisely because both they and their patients can save money. For instance, I had a patient who saved $17,000 on a single treatment. He paid me and the hospital directly rather than going through his insurance company.

Every patient and every doctor should demand a similar arrangement. Instead, Obamacare’s architects expanded a health insurance system that artificially increases costs and decreases choice. That’s not what the doctor—or the patient—ordered."

Now why not do some more research on how your deductibles and caps work on your insurance. It's all another big scam to make you broke. Keep believing in your fake american dream. It's all smoke and mirrors.