World’s largest legal pot facility to open

[northerngrafta]

it was gonna happen if you watch the vice video or regulation in Uruguay the president is saying on that, that they haven't done it to "free the weed" they have done it to try to impact the black market dealers....... governments dont help the little guy!!
Been seeing more and more about big grow ops in canada it would be great if you were involved in one but i reckon its gonna be bad news for anyone trying to make money who has a small operation.

 

[RoadRash]

Is this the facility that Med-Man is helping run - or is that another facility ?

(no offense to Med-man, it doesn't sound like this facility is popular, but I know he is helping run a large production op. in Canada.)

 

[Cool Moe]

A lot of folks here fearing the evil of big business taking over cannabis, but the reality is there's already a giant business entity that's been controlling cannabis production and distribution for the past 50 years. They are the Mexican cartels. They don't pay taxes to any government or do anything else to benefit society in any way. They don't use corporate lobbyists to bribe elected officials, they simply kill any elected official who stands in their way. And they don't hesitate to push crystal meth, cocaine, and heroin to the same kids who distribute their cannabis product. Status quo can be great sometimes, but is this the system you really want?

 

[theJointedOne]

i Think in WA state it is still a felony to cultivate a single plant of cannabis, even though it is 'legal', I think they meant to say 'Regulate ' lol

fuck big ag cannabis, mostly bc its not going to be organic. And even if it says it is, they prob wont be implementing sustainable growing practices.

oh and you can bet your ass recreational homegrown will be outlawed, felony shit..

215 is the savior

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Yes sam we all know you love big business.

Just because thats the way it is, doesn't mean it's the way it should be or the way people want it. Me personally, if given a choice I choose not to support big business, the wealth should be spread around. If you spend your money locally it stays in your local economy, if you spend your money supporting these huge corporations your money leaves and goes into the bank accounts of egotistical greedy people that don't give a shit.

The average man cannot compete with these millionaires, they have the power and influence to write the rules for themselves.

Spare me your love for big business, because frankly I'm sick of reading it.

No problem you have your right to your own opinion, even if it is wrong about me. Pretty simple way to avoid my opinions, don't read them.
You did avoid if you are part of the problem or part of the solution, like where you get your basic consumables?
Where do all of you buy your food? From big agriculture? Or DIY?
If you buy cigarettes who makes them? Big tobacco? DIY?
If you drink alcohol, who made it? DIY?
If you wear clothing, who makes and sells the clothes you wear?
If you own a home, who built it?
If you drive a car, who built it?
If you have ever flown in a jet, who made it and runs it?
Who supplies the gas, electrical, even water to most families?
If you want Cannabis to be "normal" like food, clothing, and most other commodities, then why shouldn't Cannabis be grown by big agriculture?
I want to be able to grow my own for personal use, I do not care if most of America wants to go to the seven/eleven and pick up some chips, ice cream, beer, and Cannabis pre-rolled. It should be their right to do so if they wish.
In fact I do believe in small business, it is not me forcing all the small businesses out of business, it is that the vast majority of Americans prefer somewhat cheaper prices and the bigger selection of a super big store. It is not my fault Americans feel that way, I have not even been in America for more then a decade.
As for Cannabis and big business I have said for the last 40 years we need to tax and regulate Cannabis and let big government and big business have a piece of the pie, I figured it was the fastest way to get a real full legalization nation wide.
You have the right to think what you like, but don't think you know what I believe in because you do not. I grow much of my food French intensive Bio-Dynamic, I do not own a car, I do not drink, or smoke tobacco, my wife makes half my clothes, I try to support whom I think is best for a lot of reasons, big or small.
But I am not blindly anti big biz.
-SamS

 

[GreeeeN GRassss]

here in Europe with the high taxes on tobacco the illegal tobacco industry is even more profitable then the illegal cannabis market. well maybe not as profitable but it does show if prices increase for a legal product and this product can be purchased on the black market then the public will go for the cheaper product. even if this product is of sub par quality the public will still get it to save money.

 

[Pangea]

Its a joke.

The transition to the legal realm has one distinct and unique aspect that will impact the ability for big corps to control and make big profits: a very large population of smaller cultivators.

How many acre's can be produced by a small farmer, how many small farmers will there be? Consider how many already exist and will continue on so with less restrictions.

Its the largest profession by population on earth, farming.

You shouldn't spend millions on doing this in a warehouse with a opaque roof...

edit:

Keep in mind this is for medical only, we lean socialist when it comes to health care up here.

 

[dddaver]

MY opinion is that proposed model in Canada would not fly in the USA anyway. But given how big business now controls the government here, maybe we'll see more crap like billion dollar big enterprises vying to control the cannabis industry.

When companies assets start to approach that of any countries government, like here for example, and are even bigger than most countries, then there are problems. That old Niche quote about absolute power corrupts absolutely, holds firm absolutely.

Statistics change daily, but very recently Apple was only second to Exxon Mobile in most assets. I avoid anything made by Apple that I can, yet when I had a problem with a CC and had to go to my credit union to fix it, they told me Apple had interrogated my account after some of the bogus charges had been for iTunes I never ordered. Whoa. They can do that? That is a common business practice now? That's just crazy. It was an error anyway.

Microsoft was brought up on charges of predatory business practice. Those predatory practices are common practice in business here now. They have to do that just to compete. I just don't trust any of them motherfucking big companies to ever get anything at all right at all. There was always that joke about the government screwing everything it touches up. That screwing everything up now extends to businesses in the USA as well, and big business in particular.

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

No problem you have your right to your own opinion, even if it is wrong about me. Pretty simple way to avoid my opinions, don't read them.
You did avoid if you are part of the problem or part of the solution, like where you get your basic consumables?
Where do all of you buy your food? From big agriculture? Or DIY?
If you buy cigarettes who makes them? Big tobacco? DIY?
If you drink alcohol, who made it? DIY?
If you wear clothing, who makes and sells the clothes you wear?
If you own a home, who built it?
If you drive a car, who built it?
If you have ever flown in a jet, who made it and runs it?
Who supplies the gas, electrical, even water to most families?
If you want Cannabis to be "normal" like food, clothing, and most other commodities, then why shouldn't Cannabis be grown by big agriculture?
I want to be able to grow my own for personal use, I do not care if most of America wants to go to the seven/eleven and pick up some chips, ice cream, beer, and Cannabis pre-rolled. It should be their right to do so if they wish.
In fact I do believe in small business, it is not me forcing all the small businesses out of business, it is that the vast majority of Americans prefer somewhat cheaper prices and the bigger selection of a super big store. It is not my fault Americans feel that way, I have not even been in America for more then a decade.
As for Cannabis and big business I have said for the last 40 years we need to tax and regulate Cannabis and let big government and big business have a piece of the pie, I figured it was the fastest way to get a real full legalization nation wide.
You have the right to think what you like, but don't think you know what I believe in because you do not. I grow much of my food French intensive Bio-Dynamic, I do not own a car, I do not drink, or smoke tobacco, my wife makes half my clothes, I try to support whom I think is best for a lot of reasons, big or small.
But I am not blindly anti big biz.
-SamS

You are like a broken record, I feel like I have had this exact same conversation with you before.

Clearly you do not see there is a difference between things that can be done by yourself and things that can't. I cannot build my own car, and I cannot set up a tshirt and jeans factory in the basement.

But I can grow my own herb for myself and others.

I do not deny large business serves some purpose, but they do not need to control everything.

Smaller local production of products is the answer, it's better for the economy, it's better for the earth and it's better for the individual.

Pretty simple way to avoid my opinions, don't read them.

^

 

[Hydrosun]

i Think in WA state it is still a felony to cultivate a single plant of cannabis, even though it is 'legal', I think they meant to say 'Regulate ' lol

fuck big ag cannabis, mostly bc its not going to be organic. And even if it says it is, they prob wont be implementing sustainable growing practices.

oh and you can bet your ass recreational homegrown will be outlawed, felony shit..

215 is the savior

They can't stop home growing. No guns, no kids at the place, no other drugs.... No jury in their right mind will convict.

Time to stand our ground. Juries (made up by our neighbors and families) are tired of this bull shit cages for cannabis war. They have paid huge amount of tax dollars, and seen nothing but damage to their friends and family who consume cannabis.

So Budweiser is coming, but so are ALL the awesome microbrews!!!

The microbrews will be the basement growers who love the plant and want to start a business.

Times are getting very interesting.

 

[1TWISTEDTRUCKER]

I have NO problem with big biz getting into the weed game, as long as the citizen retains the right to grow/sell His own Mj.
Our Friends, Families, and Neighbors need educated on Our constitution, then on the power of The Jury. Jury nullification is the answer to activist Judges.

Peace; 1TT

 

[Gram Paw smurf]

Is all about fighting for control/profits from it.
It shouldn't be any wonder why they haven't admitted the war is lost and just call it off.
Soon as they've admitted as much they basically give up all and any right to dictate anything any more, since when in history to date have the losers of any war much less wars they themselves started and lost had any right to dictate anything afterwards?
This isn't just a singular path they're taking to try n get their way.
Lots of states legalising only for cbd now too https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=284927 which is just another example of trying to control what they've already pissed away any control of long ago.
All these gov. controlled markets are the real "black markets" I personally call them the blackest markets since there's very few other markets where signing onto being forcefully over regulated n handing over birth info that can't easily be burned like a safe addy for example.
Thankfully though the actual market isn't going anywhere until it's not needed at all by anyone, n that includes anywhere it could be fully out right legal but way over taxed beyond anything ppl want to or can afford to pay.
It's still a battle just more for control than opposing profits via jailing, policing, etc. n will more than likely go on for a good while.
Might as well just say fuck it n watch n enjoy the show since they're not going to win the war for profit and control any more than they've won the war on legalities.
Ppl just keep doing as the ydo, n watch the power struggle of a show, n eventually it too will end.
Imo the best arguments against prohibition have always been their own propaganda flipped n used against them by explaining to the rest of the public that it's all a result of the prohibition not an issue prohibition was a response to.
Big cash business, more n more supply annually, potency evolving to higher levels, etc. all results of the prohibition itself.
Stories the same now n will be throughout this struggle for power n control over the commodity.
Every thing they say they need to control is only a result of their past "control" already.
Is what happens when you name something like the controlled drugs and substance act/list, and the reality is it's really the UNcontrolled drugs and substances act/list.

It's all steps forward, just very little steps, bit by bit, with a number of side steps along the way in attempts to keep as much control and profits is all.
But in the end nothing makes the market, or dangers associated with it go away until it's truly and ultimately been freed for all.
That in itself IS the trump card they can nvr beat or get rid of until the weed has been freed.

cheers all,.......................................................gps

 

[Betterhaff]

That’s kind of what I’ve always said. It’s not about the drug, it’s about the fear of the plant (or control of it).

 

[northerngrafta]

Only reason most people don't want it to happen is cause they still want to be able to make money from it. True smokers would be happy if it was cheap and off the shelf entrepreneurial growers don't wanna give up their cash crop

 

[testoftime]

Hmm...myself I'm against big business and government making choices based on money not for what's best. These projections of 500 thousand LP customers... I'm wondering...If doctors do there job the way they always have they will not be prescribing cannabis before the drugs they know and are comfortable with. And it's plausible to assume doctors will need good reason to prescribe cannabis. The doctors currently involved in prescribing for money...getting someone who pre-screens patients and referring them to the right doctor for a fee then giving 75% of the fee to the doctor...these doctors will fade away once a few of them lose their licenses, or are fined etc. Crooked dg"s vs crooked doctors, crooked doctors is a kind of social decay we wouldn't expect from highly educated professionals, my point here is no matter the program or guidelines there will always be a shady side. Using that to justify possibly taking away the original mmar program just to let the higher class get richer is something many people are overlooking. Wrong or not those making money from excess cannabis under the mmar...the money they made helped a lower class rise and that money simulated the local economies. If LP"s and big business take over that money just helps the rich get richer while the poor stay poor. Even poorer because now they have to pay for their meds.

 

[lemongrove]

Once the government approved corporate cartels take over, the government can easily be more diligent about catching home growers. They will enlist the energy companies to help them and label it law enforcement. The signature of MH or HPS lights turning on is easily seen at the energy company mother ship.
The best way for the home grower to deal with this is to use either use cfl's and turn them on manually/individually, don't know if 4 to 6 hundred watts of clf's turned on all at once by a timer has a signature or not, led's, learn how to do low watt micro grows and best of all, if you can, grow outside.
The government agencies will not sit idle and let all of those pesky home growers cut into their state licensed, monopoly growers', revenues and consequently and more importantly, the states' tax revenues. In my opinion they will be even more diligent in trying to catch home growers. Have you noticed how much they are now cracking down on seed shipments to the states? Do you think that is was a mere coincidence that it happened at the same time as legalization became a reality in some states? I don't think so.(" To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle. " George Orwell)
These government agencies may be backward in their thinking about mj but they aren't stupid; especially when it comes to protecting their revenue cash stream. Some of that new revenue is going directly to LEO to fund their enforcement programs. Do you think LEO is going to let people take from funds that fund them? They know who butters their bread too and they will protect that. Be prepared, change your game and be realistic. They are going to protect their revenue stream so accept that as fact and change your game to counteract it.
We have to keep on hiding home growers. It ain't legal for us yet and don't be fooled by all of this, "It's legal. It's safe and we can relax now.", talk. It's not legal for us home growers and we have to be as diligent as ever.
Now that we've jumped on the medical band wagon and mj is now considered medicine, I'm sure it will be a prescribed drug in some form in pharmacies in the future, maybe the near future and that is a good thing for patients but it's a really bad thing for home growers. Do you want to be caught producing pharmaceutical drugs in your home? I'm sure the laws in the future regarding mj will address that. I seriously doubt those laws will make home growers feel secure.
This is the way the wind is blowing people so be prepared and be diligent. Home growers are not nearly out of the woods yet and as a matter of fact I think we will have to be even more diligent in the future. “By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail.”
― Benjamin Franklin

 

[lakecomo1]

CEN Biotech sounds more like a bump and dump than a real deal. The process under the MMPR regs are very strict and nothing happens in a couple of weeks....they can state whatever they want but no one other than Health Canada inspectors know when a site gets approved.

Lets revisit this topic in two weeks and we'll see who's right and who's full of it!!!

 

[siftedunity]

im sorry to say it but trying to get legalization for medical use was always gonna end like this.

 

[RetroGrow]

Do you want to be caught producing pharmaceutical drugs in your home?

That's crazy. Cannabis is a plant, not a pharmaceutical drug invented & patented by some drug company. If you got caught bootlegging Marinol in your house, that might be a different story. But we are talking about a plant that grows wild all over the world, and which people will never stop growing. Why do you think big pharma has been against decriminalization? They don't want us to be able to produce therapeutic remedies in our homes that can't be patented, and in many cases work better than the palliatives they offer.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

You are like a broken record, I feel like I have had this exact same conversation with you before.

Clearly you do not see there is a difference between things that can be done by yourself and things that can't. I cannot build my own car, and I cannot set up a tshirt and jeans factory in the basement.

But I can grow my own herb for myself and others.

I do not deny large business serves some purpose, but they do not need to control everything.

Smaller local production of products is the answer, it's better for the economy, it's better for the earth and it's better for the individual.



^

Small growers are fine for personal production, not for sales to the public. One or two things you just ignore about small growers, like how the coffee shops here are supplied, is that 60% of the Cannabis tested in the coffee shops here was found to have pesticides or fungicides or both on them. A survey also found most indoor farmers dump extra or old crap fertilizers etc., down the toilet. It is much the same in the USA. It is because the small growers are dependent on their grow income and will not take the chance to lose the crop to pests or diseases. Even if they have to put poisons on their crop. You can say what ever you want about the virtues of small growers, over a big agri biz that can be easily monitored for their use of pesticides and or fungicides, but that is one very good reason for a regulated and taxed Cannabis trade.
You are right that I sound a bit like a broken record on this subject, that is because the problems associated with growing Cannabis under lights illegaly are not going away until it is regulated.
That you hold the rights of growers to make profits higher then the rights of consumers to have safe products is either intentional on your part, or overlooked in the Cannabis gold rush. Better for the earth, or individual? Is that really the case with Cannabis grown under lights sprayed with poisons and polluting the water system with trash leftovers. I understand your concerns about the future, but you are blind to the real problems here and now.
If you believe your model is really better try and convince the public, if they do not buy from McBuds then McBuds is finished. Good luck, you are fighting a losing battle, most American consumers do not care much about the small guy, they care about convienience and cheap prices, maybe safety a little.
You never did say if you grow your own food or buy it from big biz agriculture, I hope it is that you grow your own, but if not I understand why, like in the case of most Americans, it is just not convienient when you can go to a 7/11.
-SamS