Scientific evidence for selective DEFOLIATION

[Elite Nugz]

I don't have any comparison but I can post pics of my veg plants because I just gave them all a heavy manicure 2 days ago.

Im talking yield comparison.

 

[mojave green]

if stress can induce hermies, and defoliation can induce stress?

 

[Weezard]

"Now whether or not any of this means stronger and heavier fruition and end result....why I think that is the topic for heavy debate. "--Bennyweed

Actually, quite the contrary.
Debate become moot if you do a side by side, then weigh the yield.
It's as simple as that.

To have no evidence, yet be convinced, is not science.
It's religion!
Or politics.

"I don't have any comparison but I can post pics of my veg plants because I just gave them all a heavy manicure 2 days ago."

Had you only manicured half of them, then waited a week or so to post, your pictures would be quite useful.

"If the results are contrary to what you believe to be true, it's time to question those beliefs." --Science

And I am prepared to do just exactly that.
Do the same side by side trials that I did and document different results.
That would be very welcome.

Please show my personal experiments to be erroneous.
Nothing is more pleasing to me than unlearning bad information that I once took as fact.


Aloha brah,
But, whatcha got?

Weezard

 

[Elite Nugz]

@weezard Lets see it happen!! Im curious.

 

[siftedunity]

what I noticed about the scientific study is that it was written in 1970. 40 years ago. im not saying it isn't valid but its not recent.

plants have evolved for millions of years. cannabis has evolved so many characteristics to increase its chance of reproduction. if defoliating produced more viable flowers/more chance of yielding fertile seeds, wouldn't the plant shed its leaves naturally?

instead the plants produce loads of leaves. im open minded to seeing defoliation being a high yield technique, but so far every pic ive seen has airy buds of lower quality. does anyone have pics of nice thick resinous dense bud from a defoliated plant??

 

[Elite Nugz]

^^^^ 100% Agree!! ^^^^

 

[Elite Nugz]

And outdoors they produce even more leafs.

 

[Elite Nugz]

Lots of leafs.... Much more then indoor. Must be in case an animal decides to come and eat some leafs. LoL. Kidding.

 

[mojave green]

Lots of leafs.... Much more then indoor. Must be in case an animal decides to come and eat some leafs. LoL. Kidding.

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lol, she'd be done before you made a dent defoliating that bitch!
nice work.

 

[Weezard]

@weezard Lets see it happen!! Im curious.

Been there, done that in the late '60s.
I was knee high to a grasshopper and ready to try any dang fool thing just for gits n shiggles.
Played with Gibberelic acid, colchicine, seed irradiation, defoliation,
Carbon Dioxide, grafting, stem splitting, ad nauseum.
Screwed up a lot of innocent plants, we did.

Alas, no digital cameras back then, and film processing was beyond my budget so we kept notebooks.

Now, I'm an MMJ patient with severe plant count limitations in order to stay legal.
Can't risk my meds, so this will be up the the 110% believers to prove their opinions with useful evidence.

I am now sitting here admiring my fat, juicy harem of unmolested ladies, and looking at painfully sickly looking Plucked plants.

Still, Nobody knows everything, and I could be wrong.

So, I'm suggesting that one or more of the "pluckers" use half their crop to validate their opinions.
If they fail, at least they will have more yield as a consolation, yah?

Aloha, Y'all

 

[SativaBreather]

what I noticed about the scientific study is that it was written in 1970. 40 years ago. im not saying it isn't valid but its not recent.

plants have evolved for millions of years. cannabis has evolved so many characteristics to increase its chance of reproduction. if defoliating produced more viable flowers/more chance of yielding fertile seeds, wouldn't the plant shed its leaves naturally?

instead the plants produce loads of leaves. im open minded to seeing defoliation being a high yield technique, but so far every pic ive seen has airy buds of lower quality. does anyone have pics of nice thick resinous dense bud from a defoliated plant??

hi mate

to be honest before I joined this site I always subscribed to the accepted wisdom that the fans were power houses of the plant etc, but I tried it on my last grow and the buds were large and resinous and there was def less crappy lower buds.
I've just done a good defoliation now at about week three and so I shall post some pics for ya tomorrow and keep you updated as they progress

atb

SB

 

[siftedunity]

^lower crappy buds are dependent on two things.. genetics- some plants lower buds are fat and dense for example cookies, stardawgs, some ogs etc.
secondly low light levels.

if you lolly pop a strain you wont get shitty lowers.. but its not the same as defoliation. its simple. leaves make carbohydrates, carbohydrates plus nutrients produce more bud. im sure you guys get better lower buds if you let more light through, but I think that will be at the expense of the uppers.

 

[Elite Nugz]

Been there, done that in the late '60s.
I was knee high to a grasshopper and ready to try any dang fool thing just for gits n shiggles.
Played with Gibberelic acid, colchicine, seed irradiation, defoliation,
Carbon Dioxide, grafting, stem splitting, ad nauseum.
Screwed up a lot of innocent plants, we did.

Alas, no digital cameras back then, and film processing was beyond my budget so we kept notebooks.

Now, I'm an MMJ patient with severe plant count limitations in order to stay legal.
Can't risk my meds, so this will be up the the 110% believers to prove their opinions with useful evidence.

I am now sitting here admiring my fat, juicy harem of unmolested ladies, and looking at painfully sickly looking Plucked plants.

Still, Nobody knows everything, and I could be wrong.

So, I'm suggesting that one or more of the "pluckers" use half their crop to validate their opinions.
If they fail, at least they will have more yield as a consolation, yah?

Aloha, Y'all

In the 60's growers were using hot ass Halogen lights to grow indoors, and indoor grows were extremely rare. So are you saying that you defoliated an outdoor plant back in the 60's??

Im confused.

 

[Elite Nugz]

Almost a 4 foot long branch... just like all my others. Solid buds from the top, all the way to the bottom. No type of plant mutilation at all. Just let em do there thing naturally, with good plant and branch spacing.



Also.. when you get those little fluffy pop corn nugs.... Those things are awesome for making hash or wax. You can easily turn a pound of popcorn fluffy nugs, and trim into an extra $1K in your pocket. Why would anyone want to throw that away..??

 

[mojave green]

In the 60's growers were using hot ass Halogen lights to grow indoors, and indoor grows were extremely rare. So are you saying that you defoliated an outdoor plant back in the 60's??

Im confused.

nah, we were using flouros!

 

[Elite Nugz]

nah, we were using flouros!

LoL. I forgot those were around back then. The CFL's didnt come around till the 80's.

 

[SativaBreather]

^lower crappy buds are dependent on two things.. genetics- some plants lower buds are fat and dense for example cookies, stardawgs, some ogs etc.
secondly low light levels.

if you lolly pop a strain you wont get shitty lowers.. but its not the same as defoliation. its simple. leaves make carbohydrates, carbohydrates plus nutrients produce more bud. im sure you guys get better lower buds if you let more light through, but I think that will be at the expense of the uppers.

I remove the lower branches too, but to be honest I also used triacontanol on the last grow and a lot of my mates are reporting heavier crops of denser flowers using it too so that could have been responsible

I know its off topic but I really recommend triacontanol, I think its brilliant. Someone I know consistently hits 500g per sqm and last grow got 650, only difference was he used tria

 

[bombadil.360]

a little pruning can be good depending on the cultivar you are applying it to.

if you have what we commonly call an indica with columnar phenotype, pruning will be a bad idea.

if you have what we commonly call a sativa that vegs fast and puts out lots of branches, you can prune tons of fan leaves only to see more grow out as the veg continues.

prune accordingly.

 

[Elite Nugz]

I remove the lower branches too, but to be honest I also used triacontanol on the last grow and a lot of my mates are reporting heavier crops of denser flowers using it too so that could have been responsible

I know its off topic but I really recommend triacontanol, I think its brilliant. Someone I know consistently hits 500g per sqm and last grow got 650, only difference was he used tria

What type of triacontanol do you use? A certain premixed band, mix it yourself, or a supplement with some in it??

 

[SativaBreather]

pre mixed