Breeding etiquette questions

[HarleyJammer]

I really dont have a dog in this fight. Music, and rock specifically, is a bastard child. Very few musicians can be considered original and innovative. Every aspiring musician has their inspirations that can be seen even into their "original" pieces. How many American black blues musicians have inspired greats such as Clapton, Hendrix, Page, etc? Instead, they followed Blind Dog Fulton's advice: Take the music farther than where you found it.

 

[englishrick]

Until your 100% sure your not pissing in the gene pool, don't bother distributing seeds,,

Read some books on breeding,,, get some knowledge on preservation and Positive breeding applications,

You won't be doing anyone any favours if you don't really know what your doing,,, it's a risky business, if you care about the gene pool

But,,, once your truly ready,, spread the fire!

 

[harry74]

Sorry, you are just showing your " tourist mentality ".

If it wasn´t for that people, we woudn´t have the strains of today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihbkvcLCeP8

You can say whatever you want.....

 

[MJPassion]

The way I see the answer to the OPs question:

If you are making a filial generation for your personal use, to search through for possible parent stock for future crosses with other cultivars, no permission is necessary. If you are going to release the Fgen, permission is necessary for 2 reasons, the main being so that you are not stepping on anybodies toes and stealing their business, the minor reason being that permission garners respect amongst your peers.

You best bet is to lean toward humble, imo.

Good luch with your projects.

 

[rhinoman 1]

Hey mi passion, how bout the other way around. Seed company's hackin people's personal clones and sellin seeds. And them saying there the original breeders of the strain.

 

[Luther Burbank]

If you're going to release a hybrid do so because it's worth releasing, not because you want to be a seedsman. Too many polyhybrid unpredictable overpriced crosses released today. I had a guy tell me the reason his $100 pack of Elite A x Elite B cost so much was *because* you're paying for all the different pheno possibilities! Talk about shining shit and calling it gold. There are few names that have had enough work done that you should worry about contacting breeders.

As for real worked true breeding lines, of which there are few, I approve of poaching when a breeder quits or doesn't pull their weight. For a great cultivar to die out of circulation because a breeder quits or isn't up to the job is more unjust to me.

I hear yall with the attempt at ethical business practices but anyone trying to be a seedsman is gonna drown following practices like not stealing competition's business. You gotta remember the original story to that Naughty by Nature song "down wit OPP", guy knew a drug dealer who was constantly expanding into other people's markets, said he was "down with OPM" - Other People's Money. When this shit goes legal everyone wanting to play better know the rules.

 

[Midnight Tokar]

While I think respect and credit should be given to the original breeder, I have some other thoughts.

How many people here would grow out some Burpee-Seeds Tomatoes or Peppers and then harvest the seeds or even create a hybrid? Would you call up Burpee and ask permission to sell or would you offer them a percentage of your profits? Why would/should weed be different once you plopped down your change for them, it's still a lot of Pheno hunting and selecting.

 

[MJPassion]

Hey mi passion, how bout the other way around. Seed company's hackin people's personal clones and sellin seeds. And them saying there the original breeders of the strain.

Clones cant be hacked...

They can be bred, however.

Refine your meaning please.

 

[SeedsOfFreedom]

All Cannabis genes came from nature. The idea that anyone "owns" these genes is absurd. If you bought a seed, it is now yours. The genes inside the seed belong to nature. People should breed Cannabis they love! Regardless of the source,heritage or story involved. If the plants are great, breed them! Cannabis should be free, and anyone trying to assume ownership of genes should consider where they got their own genes from first! No one "owns" this plant.

 

[ECtraveler]

How many people here would grow out some Burpee-Seeds Tomatoes or Peppers and then harvest the seeds or even create a hybrid? Would you call up Burpee and ask permission to sell or would you offer them a percentage of your profits? Why would/should weed be different once you plopped down your change for them, it's still a lot of Pheno hunting and selecting.

If you are selling seeds from Burpee stock and didn't go through the proper channels you would get hit with a copyright infringement lawsuit if your market was anything bigger than a farmer's market. They do it all the time.

 

[aridbud]

I recently emailed the breeders that I was able too, was able to only find three of the breeders email addresses. But I asked permission we'll see what they say I'll keep you updated . I'm curious to what they will say .

There are a few breeders on here that took direct exclusive strains of one breeder, made them and selling cheap. And misinforming about prices/generations, etc.

It's ALWAYS good to give heads up or simply ask permission using their strains you want to hybridize. Going in with integrity, a sense of ethics....it's just plain karma and a sensible approach.

Using ones strains exclusively to make other strains, a new label, selling far less...that's plagiarism.

Most breeders will respond...we did that at the advent of our seed hybrids numerous years ago, primarily making auto hybrids for med patients that could not afford what dispensaries charge, either seeds or clones/product. The response from intended breeders strains was overwhelmingly positive.

You are bound to succeed given the fact your character speaks volumes in regards asking about etiquette. I wish you luck in your endeavors.

 

[aridbud]

IMHO the offspring need to be superior/substantially different in some way to the parents rather than just a chuck fest to be able to lay claim to the right to profit off the work done by others.

That's where hybrids come to mind....building two strains making it more robust, etc. Interbreeding for a few generations won't cut it.

 

[aridbud]

I'm starting a seed company, and was wondering if you should get permission from the breeders who made the seeds your going to be working with? I have seen that a few seed companies are starting to pop up in the state that I'm in. And I figured I have a lot of good phenos and a few good males , and I have read up on breeding (thanks to dj short). And I have the space so why not.

Just curious, how are you going to market them? Here, the dispensaries have to grow them to sell.

 

[mexcurandero420]

It would be nice to see a heirloom cannabis seed company on the horizon instead of another seed company with funny names seed varieties.

Keep on growing

 

[sdd420]

You need to change the name of your company it's confusing and many are waiting for the real deal Stank Brothers peace sdd

 

[aridbud]

You need to change the name of your company it's confusing and many are waiting for the real deal Stank Brothers peace sdd

Most definitely, like add420 mentioned....change the name!! There's plenty of creative names out there.

In fact, someone 'took' one of our strain names after we had the strain for 2-3 yrs., but instead of fighting, we changed it. WIN/WIN.

You can do a Google search on company names to see if anything pops up.

 

[rhinoman 1]

Clones cant be hacked...

They can be bred, however.

Refine your meaning please.

yeah hacked = bred. Just sayin it goes both ways.

 

[JointOperation]

Until your 100% sure your not pissing in the gene pool, don't bother distributing seeds,,

Read some books on breeding,,, get some knowledge on preservation and Positive breeding applications,

You won't be doing anyone any favours if you don't really know what your doing,,, it's a risky business, if you care about the gene pool

But,,, once your truly ready,, spread the fire!

i totally agree with this guy..

i also believe you shouldnt be selling seeds if you havent been growing for atleast 5 years.. if you cant grow plants to there fullest potential.. and keep plants healthy and provide a great quality product.. and take GREAT pictures of your successful crops.. and the genetics you plan on selling.. seeds will sit around.. while everyone else who took the time to make sure they were ready.. they will be making money.. while you beg people to test your genetics. im just saying this.. after seeing about 100 different dudes say. im starting a seed company.. and bla bla bla.. then u see them pop up with 5-10 different names after people called them out saying why would anyone buy genetics from someone who cant even keep a plant healthy.?

just saying.. id really work on your brand before sending out seeds.. patience is key in this GAME. ( not trying to take any shots at you at all i havent looked at any of your pics or anything.. im just trying to give u a heads up at what causes alot of growers to go elsewhere for seeds then some new up and coming breeder.)

in the illegal business we are in at the moment.. federally.. i say just give credit to the people you got your genetics from.. if your honest.. and your using good genetics to make seeds.. and doing proper selections.. i see no problem with that.. honestly.. i wish you the best of luck.. alot of people been rushing to get seeds out.. and not doing the proper selections.. and or not popping enough seeds to see if they are actually using the best males and females to stabalize things.. so.. if you put seeds out.. just remember your reputation is on the line.. u send seeds out. and they all suck.. and everyone on the forums say they suck.. it will be alot harder to get off the ground again with new strains .. me personally i wouldnt start selling seed until i have stabalized the lines i want to sell. reputation is everything in this business..

and if you cant take criticism then that line of work might not be for you.. because there will always be someone saying oo this or that strain sucked.. even if its Grower Error/ Newb Growers fucking your reputation up.. because they cant grow a plant.. but if you providing amazing genetics.. the newbs should still get pretty decent results if they make it to harvest.

 

[Ph-patrol]

Once you have your breeding process under control And you have several winning and unique lines .Then you have to market and sell your product. Getting your brand out there is not easy.
There is a ton of competition out there and we all need to be confident in a company and there strains before we invest time and money into a new grow. consumer confidence is key.
Building a brand takes more time and money.Flying to event ,renting a space,building a booth,entering different cups,Paying for advertisements.
You have to sell more than seeds,you have to sell your self. Well thats that.

Good luck

 

[lr3]

I'm starting a seed company, and was wondering if you should get permission from the breeders who made the seeds your going to be working with? I have seen that a few seed companies are starting to pop up in the state that I'm in. And I figured I have a lot of good phenos and a few good males , and I have read up on breeding (thanks to dj short). And I have the space so why not.

if i were starting a seed company, i would probably start off buying wholesale from reputable breeders and selling their established genetics (which would be purchased from the breeders so there would be no conflict of interests). breeding new, good strains can take years.

just my $0.02