Legality of BHO extractors (california)

[Shcrews]

since closed-loop extractors are so popular these days i am wondering if there is some legal loophole, or if the police find one of these things running could you get the "drug lab" charge?

Also wondering the same thing about vacuum ovens, although i suppose by that point most of the butane is gone and it would be a burden on the cops to provide evidence of chemical extraction. maybe a vac oven full of shatter is less incriminating then a bhogart full of tane...?

anyone have any info? heard of any busts involving operations using this kind of equipment? usually just hear about people who blow themselves up but that doesn't necessarily mean that a robocop type won't try to fuck somebody with a proper lab if they happen to stumble upon it.

 

[Daub Marley]

There is no loophole for butane extraction. You could switch solvents to a food grade terpene such as limonene and if your caught you can use that as a type of defense because there is no clear answer to what chemicals you can use. To me that basically boils down to if the resin heads are dissolved in any chemical it is illegal. Water hash is okay only because the water doesn't act as a solvent even though a small amount of solute is dissolved in the water. Dry sifting is the safest method legality wise, and some of the guys on this forum are sifting some incredibly pure heads that are full melt, so if your concerned look into it.

 

[Shcrews]

There is no loophole for butane extraction. You could switch solvents to a food grade terpene such as limonene and if your caught you can use that as a type of defense because there is no clear answer to what chemicals you can use. To me that basically boils down to if the resin heads are dissolved in any chemical it is illegal. Water hash is okay only because the water doesn't act as a solvent even though a small amount of solute is dissolved in the water.

well then there are a lot of guys in cali who are drug-lab felons right now. but i haven't heard of anyone getting popped for running an extractor or a vac oven. is that just a coincidence or is LEO giving people a pass on this, cuz i highly doubt that.

Dry sifting is the safest method legality wise, and some of the guys on this forum are sifting some incredibly pure heads that are full melt, so if your concerned look into it.

I wish it were that simple but the market for BHO here is insane.

 

[SkyHighLer]

Knock on wood, but they don't seem to be prosecuting anyone unless they do something that causes an investigation. It seems to work fairly well, you be cool, they be cool, saves a lot of hassles and bad publicity on either side.

My identity's easy to determine, if I get busted, even though I'm not vending, it's time to duck.

 

[EsterEssence]

From what I have heard any flammable solvent is illegal, that is why dry sift, water, or co2 are ok. I am not a lawyer so don't take it as advise.

 

[RegisPhilburn1]

It was determined in the Bergen decision 2008 that flammable solvent extraction is illegal under California law

 

[Shcrews]

It was determined in the Bergen decision 2008 that flammable solvent extraction is illegal under California law

yes i thought that was common knowledge, hence the thread.

 

[RegisPhilburn1]

Ya I was mostly pointing out the specific case to EE for clarification sake. You won't find any "loop holes" if you don't read the cases and laws, I thought that was the point of this thread? (No attitude intended)

 

[Shcrews]

Ya I was mostly pointing out the specific case to EE for clarification sake. You won't find any "loop holes" if you don't read the cases and laws, I thought that was the point of this thread? (No attitude intended)

no you are right my intention was for people to share any cases or experiences with california LEO specifically related to extractors and vac ovens. I am thinking about purchasing some but i don't quite feel comfortable with the legal aspect so i was hoping others who are already using the equipment in CA could comfort me lol

 

[RegisPhilburn1]

I feel you there, glad to be in OR cause of that. If it would help, you can pay cash for the ovens at trim scene solutions. I'm sure red beard could also help you out with that, probably a better deal than trim scene too.

I would think acquiring the n-tane would be the most sketchy part in California.

 

[Shcrews]

i guess it's not so much the purchasing of the equipment that is sketchy (use cash), but the possible consequences of LEO coming across it while in use. Most police are so dumb i doubt they would know what a vac oven is for.

 

[Sextracts]

@regis it most certainly is near impossible to acquire n-tane without some form of special license, I don't know the requirements to obtain it, but I know that Me nor any of my close friends meet those requirements. Most people are stuck distilling canned tane that I know.

 

[EsterEssence]

Ya I was mostly pointing out the specific case to EE for clarification sake. You won't find any "loop holes" if you don't read the cases and laws, I thought that was the point of this thread? (No attitude intended)

Thanks for the clarification, I was sure it was illegal...

 

[SkyHighLer]

Even out here in the 'hick' part of Southern California (Inland Empire) every smoke shop has umpteen varieties of canned butane, and will get your favorite if they don't currently carry it.
But cause an explosion, and it's no mercy... I hope the Feds understand we have this balance here, and that it works.

 

[rb extractors]

I wish more people understood the risks we take here in Cali. Often we see or hear of cases in the early stages but never learn how they pled out.

Not only that, but trim in quantity is just as dangerous as flowers in the laws eyes.

 

[z-ro]

Bro, read the news papers, people get busted with these on the reg. 'Manufacture of controlled substance' charge is a guarantee, probly also 'maintaining a drug residence' as well as any other slew of charges they decide to throw at your specific circumstance. You won't catch me dead running bho, not worth it you might as well be cookin rocks.

 

[yortbogey]

it's simple mainstream mathematics.... as legal pot becomes more mainstream...
the old guard MUST find a new source of drug propaganda....to feast upon
and with the current climate, the excessive level of idiots blowing up themselves, and shit....

anything in the world of extracts will soon be illegal.... as all hell....

 

[Crocodile OG]

it's simple mainstream mathematics.... as legal pot becomes more mainstream...
the old guard MUST find a new source of drug propaganda....to feast upon
and with the current climate, the excessive level of idiots blowing up themselves, and shit....

anything in the world of extracts will soon be illegal.... as all hell....

True dat.

Piggies need to justify their existence somehow.

Heaven forbid they actually catch real criminals.

Their main purpose is to act as a buffer between the haves and the have nots.

 

[mojave green]

I would think acquiring the n-tane would be the most sketchy part in California.

as well as disposal risks.

 

[Shcrews]

Bro, read the news papers, people get busted with these on the reg. 'Manufacture of controlled substance' charge is a guarantee, probly also 'maintaining a drug residence' as well as any other slew of charges they decide to throw at your specific circumstance. You won't catch me dead running bho, not worth it you might as well be cookin rocks.

See thats the problem, i havent seen any news articles about busts involving closed-loop systems or vac ovens. Got any links for us??