Plummeting Marijuana Prices for Growers

buttbrain · Mar 28, 2014

Interesting thread 4 sure..

sprinkl · Mar 28, 2014

SirStynkalot said:
Honestly I'll man up right here and say I know jack about greenhouses. I know they work all over but I don't know how they manage without a lot of supplemental lighting north of here.

Again, though, most of what I hear about for greenhouses around here are shoddy cold frames. It's not enough for our climate. The only 3 people I knew with cold frames this year all had tons of dabs from their premature (and MOLDY) buds. The results those things pull aren't different from outdoors because the conditions aren't different from outdoors. I'm sure it's a different story if it's a project with any sort of experience or financing behind it.

Cold frames do help a lot extending the season though. Heat is trapped, the soil holds the heat longer, no rain on your plants... Poor ventilation will fuck up your buds, greenhouse or not. It might not be as good as a climate controlled greenhouse but it's a lot better than regular outdoor grows if it's a cold and rainy finish. Feels like the terpenes just flush away, and the cold pretty much stop further growth...

Daub Marley · Apr 2, 2014

Sam_Skunkman said:
Do all growers have to grow under lights? -SamS

IMO the only lights that will still be used is a select number of greenhouse growers that have clone only strains they grow. They might be powerful HID/LED lights, or they might be cheap fluorescents that put out just enough light to control the photoperiod.

Sam_Skunkman said:
Cannabis in the USA will be produced for a much cheaper price in the near future when legal, all the price supports will be gone.
I bet the biggest expense besides taxes is hand manicuring, so sell it un-manicured, or machine manicured, wholesale, you could let the consumer buy it cheaper and manicure it themselves. -SamS

Yeah if it is untrimmed or even machine trimmed you’re talking rock bottom prices. The way I see it the market is going to continue to split. Top notch products will still retain a somewhat high price, but the average to bottom end products are going to drop. The ability to turn crap trim into gold through extraction will also play an important role. If BHO remains popular then its price will fall as more consumers turn away from the mediocre strains in favor of BHO. This will in turn cause a greater split in the prices between top and mid/bottom quality products.

Sam_Skunkman said:
It is a basic law of the universe "Cannabis Osmosis" that anyplace that has a cheaper surplus of Cannabis finds a way to get it to places where there is not enough or the prices are higher. Same with better quality. -SamS

Yes sir, and I really think it will be Cannafornia that provides for the nation, as it does for many agricultural products including cannabis. Just my opinion though.

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Scottish Research · Apr 3, 2014

Yeah, will need lower weed prices because 1/2 or more of the working the population will be surviving under wage slavery, working 60 hours a week just to make ends meet. This is no joke.

Another thing that strikes me as odd is that those that live in the fantasy land of mmj; and who should know better think that it will ever be legal in certain SE and Midwestern states.

Suspend disbelief I suppose. Just keeping it real.

fullymelted · Apr 3, 2014

shit im still gettin 4k for cooks in nor cal even tho everyone and their mom is growing wack bageeds tryin to cash in on the hype

OzzBozz · Apr 12, 2014

if your getting 4k for cookies, good job

RetroGrow · Apr 13, 2014

Scottish Research said:
Another thing that strikes me as odd is that those that live in the fantasy land of mmj; and who should know better think that it will ever be legal in certain SE and Midwestern states.

It will be de-criminalized across the entire nation in fairly short order. More states are coming online. When states see revenue coming in, they will be down with it. The "old guard" is dying off. Proof of medicinal value is indisputable. No doubt in my mind that "we" are finally "winning" the war against us. The wall is crumbling, and if Obama doesn't decriminalize before leaving office, the next President will if it's Christie, who has already called for the abolishment of "the war on drugs". It's only a matter of time now, just as prohibition of alcohol went state by state. All the dominoes are falling. Other countries are decriminalizing also (Portugal, Uruguay, and several others are considering it, including Mexico).
You are the one living in a "fantasy world" if you think they are going to keep a lid on this. Cat's already out of the bag. :kitty:

SooperSmurph · Apr 13, 2014

RetroGrow said:
It will be de-criminalized across the entire nation in fairly short order. More states are coming online. When states see revenue coming in, they will be down with it. The "old guard" is dying off. Proof of medicinal value is indisputable. No doubt in my mind that "we" are finally "winning" the war against us. The wall is crumbling, and if Obama doesn't decriminalize before leaving office, the next President will if it's Christie, who has already called for the abolishment of "the war on drugs". It's only a matter of time now, just as prohibition of alcohol went state by state. All the dominoes are falling. Other countries are decriminalizing also (Portugal, Uruguay, and several others are considering it, including Mexico).
You are the one living in a "fantasy world" if you think they are going to keep a lid on this. Cat's already out of the bag. :kitty:

That's what we thought about Canada, then things started looking complicated.

"Free Zones" for all sorts of activities have existed for thousands of years, places where prostitution, intoxication, gambling, or other activities which are prohibited elsewhere thrive, and I think in the long run, until we can return cannabis to its place within our culture as an important item which is consumed regularly, it will be better off in those "free zones" than it would be growing alongside corn and potatoes, being slung at every gas station. If in 20 years everyone is smoking cheap joints made from bulk outdoor, it'll be a sad state of affairs, i'll grow for myself and probably be a chef again.

z-ro · Apr 13, 2014

RetroGrow said:
It will be de-criminalized across the entire nation in fairly short order. More states are coming online.
You are the one living in a "fantasy world" if you think they are going to keep a lid on this. Cat's already out of the bag. :kitty:

You do realize that in many of these states in the south that they don't even sell alcohol in most of the counties. Only people living in a fantasy world are the ones that think America wants or needs a cannabis free for all extravaganza. Bho is a helluva drug.

IGROWMYOWN · Apr 13, 2014

Tax revenue is about the only way I see most southern states joining the party I say that having lived and been all over the south. I have a hard time seeing Texas especially west texas legalizing cannabis place is still stuck in a 1950s time warp outside of Odessa/midland. Florida is looking at decriminalizing that's something I never ever thought could be possible when I lived there in 2001

SirStynkalot · Apr 13, 2014

IGROWMYOWN said:
Tax revenue is about the only way I see most southern states joining the party I say that having lived and been all over the south. I have a hard time seeing Texas especially west texas legalizing cannabis place is still stuck in a 1950s time warp outside of Odessa/midland. Florida is looking at decriminalizing that's something I never ever thought could be possible when I lived there in 2001

A couple years ago Governor Rick Perry threatened to secede from the union because of a federal mandate that required all Texas govt. facilities switch from incandescent bulbs to CFLs.

Sooooooo... Yeeeeaaaaahhhhh...

I see there being a lot of "dry county" or even "dry state" laws being passed when the feds legalize it. Those are still in effect all over the country for alcohol. Faced with losing ALL federal funding or passing a new law thats specific to their community, I think most of the south's going to go for federally regulated weeds but not allow it inside their own borders.

Don't forget montana's hold out over the legal drinking age - they called the Feds' bluff right up until half the highways in the state crumbled to pieces. Faced with a multi-bajillion dollar infrastructure bill they suddenly decided people who could vote in and die for their country couldn't drink after all. Who saw that coming, LOL.

Wendull C. · Apr 13, 2014

We forget about the private prison industry and the unions with their lobbyists and clout. After all, how will the prison guard union keep the dues flowing when there aren't so many low level drug "criminals" to lock up?
We have a democrat administration now but make no mistake there will be a conservative sometime soon.
Their enforcement IMO will set federal legalization back a bit. IMHO

macdiesel · Apr 14, 2014

SirStynkalot said:
Faced with losing ALL federal funding or passing a new law thats specific to their community, I think most of the south's going to go for federally regulated weeds but not allow it inside their own borders.

Yeah, the Feds are going to say you HAVE to sell marijuana or you'll get stiffed on federal funding..........hahahahahaa!

Sforza · Apr 14, 2014

SirStynkalot said:
A couple years ago Governor Rick Perry threatened to secede from the union because of a federal mandate that required all Texas govt. facilities switch from incandescent bulbs to CFLs.

Sooooooo... Yeeeeaaaaahhhhh...

Gov. Rick Perry, a staunch conservative, riled the Lone Star state Thursday when he told an audience at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, that he supports the decriminalization — though not the legalization — of marijuana use.

"As the governor of the second-largest state in the country, what I can do is start us on policies that can start us on the road towards decriminalization" by introducing alternative "drug courts" that offer treatment and softer penalties for minor offenses, Perry said during an international panel on drug legalization at the summit.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/23/perry-marijuana-davos/4803929/

TandemPPG · Apr 16, 2014

New State Prices....

New State Prices....

Hello all,

Question...When a new state legalizes for medicinal use, what are the starting prices who sell their harvest to dispensaries starting out?

Wendull C. · Apr 17, 2014

It all hinges on quality and market saturation man. Grow the best strain you can the best you can. Don't be afraid to walk out if your being low balled. Good luck with the upcoming ballot measure, but don't for a second think that will keep you safe from Leo.
I'm not the best to ask just didn't want to leave you hanging.

stasis · Apr 17, 2014

Being able to walk is the best leverage of all. Having a job is cool, I forgot how nice it is to add that to the harvest. It's been 10 years since.. haha..

GreenintheThumb · Apr 17, 2014

TandemPPG said:
Hello all,

Question...When a new state legalizes for medicinal use, what are the starting prices who sell their harvest to dispensaries starting out?

Most of the new spots are locking this game up. They're following Colorado's lead and integrating the production with the storefront. It makes it harder to get into the market without access to large amounts of capital.

I saw some plans for a spot in Illinois and it had a room labeled "cop room" and they said they have to pay a police officer's wages to sit in the grow and watch the cameras. Money is locking this thing up is what I'm seeing going on all across the country. Capitalism yaaaay!

stasis · Apr 17, 2014

Illinois is asking huge fees in general, I am told. Like half a million. That's not a great trend.

Grass Lands · Apr 17, 2014

The black market will always thrive....just the way it is, some things will never change.

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