Game changer Emulsifying Vegetable Glycerin and BHO for E-Juice

[Rickys bong]

GW, How does this achieve a stable emulsion? Is it just a matter of breaking the two components into tiny enough particles that they stay in suspension?

Any idea on whether or not they will separate after some time?

Thanks,

RB

 

[federal-inmate]

Subb'ed been brainstorming about e-juice this week since hightimes e-pens buyers issue, theres one with the adapter for concentrates and found this thread on time, like to get more info bout it

 

[hammalamma]

Some body at my buddies e-cig shop was saying that he dissolves qwiso into pg, haven't tried it myself.

 

[krunchbubble]

Hmmm......

 

[Gray Wolf]

GW, How does this achieve a stable emulsion? Is it just a matter of breaking the two components into tiny enough particles that they stay in suspension?

Any idea on whether or not they will separate after some time?

Thanks,

RB

It looks to me to be just reducing the droplet size to sub micron levels and mixing them well. No clue on what long term storage would do, but so far no change in the solution.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Some body at my buddies e-cig shop was saying that he dissolves qwiso into pg, haven't tried it myself.

Yeah, propylene glycol is the other thing they typically use and is way easier to combine, but doesn't have the same flavor or vapor characteristics. Often they are a blend of PG and VG.

 

[hammalamma]

Yeah, propylene glycol is the other thing they typically use and is way easier to combine, but doesn't have the same flavor or vapor characteristics. Often they are a blend of PG and VG.

Yup, pg has way more throat hit and less vapor, it also dries out your mouth. Vg is smoother and more vapor but gives me a lot of phlem. Pg can deliver flavors way better than vg. Vg is really thick and 100% vg does not work in every carto/clearomizer.
There's a really good thread on f@#$cumbustion dot com about using a mechanical mod, 30 amp batteries and a ss coil in atomizer for shatter.

 

[ptfarmer420]

This is so out of my league ... Will need to make a huge brain reboot to be able to absorve all this crazy info ...

Nice sharing thought ...

 

[chubbynugs]

Might sound like a dumb Q but if you add more BHO the more potent the juice right? Or will there be problems adding too much BHO? This has been something that has been on my mind for years now. Also was the homogenizer the unidrive x1000? Thanks for igniting a spark in this dull brain of mine.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Might sound like a dumb Q but if you add more BHO the more potent the juice right? Or will there be problems adding too much BHO? This has been something that has been on my mind for years now. Also was the homogenizer the unidrive x1000? Thanks for igniting a spark in this dull brain of mine.

Adding too much BHO might stiffen the mixture to the point that it doesn't work well in a tank type dispenser, but not so much that it couldn't be used for other purposes, such as an oral application.

The homogenizer drive motor is CAT Scientifics X-120, and the T-17(N) generator shaft.

 

[Pragma]

Just wondering.. Why mix BHO in ejuice when straight BHO/shatter/qwiso can be used in special e-cig cartridges ?

 

[mk6]

Just wondering.. Why mix BHO in ejuice when straight BHO/shatter/qwiso can be used in special e-cig cartridges ?

for me it would be nice not to have to reload it after 3 or 4 hits for one thing, with a bho vg pg blend, you get a syrup like oil that in a wick style 3.50ml cart, you can puff all day.

 

[villain420247]

Outside of stability - have you vaped it yet to test it's potency? and are you using a de-carb'd oil or non-activated?

 

[dank.frank]

Being of a culinary mindset - and using emulsifiers to create herbal foams and such, that retain their structure on a dish - I'm not sure why this never crossed my mind to try the same methodology for bho/vg/pg...

But, know that the suggestion is out there - it's really quite brilliant....

A lot of e-liquids are 85% vg and 15% pg - from my understanding of things. This mixture is then 1:1 with BHO.

I've been studying up on this for a bit - and this thread really comes at the perfect timing.

Thanks again, Greywolf!



dank.Frank

 

[Trinity541]

Any more info on the long term stability of your E-Juice Graywolf?

 

[Trinity541]

Also wondering if anyone has any input about whether the stand for the homogenizer is worth ordering

 

[teemu shalanie]

yah much respect greywolf , I gunna try this method , these e-juice concentrates r the new cats meeeoooow,...I got some I puffing on, I get them made . but don't know how its done , ....keep us posted, on your results, I been also doing research - what you guys think of EJmix , it a pg mix made for bho tictures for e-cigs,... never used it but hear a lot about it,......
TS

 

[Gray Wolf]

Any more info on the long term stability of your E-Juice Graywolf?

Yes, three significant points.

Just sitting around at ambient, the first sample now has a hairline fine line film of oil forming around the top of the test tube. It has been very stable but not rock solid.

The second sample, where we put 24 grams of winterized BHO Absolute into 39 grams of VG, went to the supplier of the 24 grams of oil. I supplied him with a test vaporizer, where you heat a bottle with a flame and draw on the pipe, and noted that the mixture separated when it got hot.

After a few days on the coffee table blowing volunteer testers away, he stuck it in the freezer, and it separated.

Bottom line, it is a fragile suspension that can change with extreme temperature changes.

What testing did show, is that when suspended at the 24/39 ratio, without exception the testers were highly impressed with the volume of vapor, taste, and especially the effects.

It didn't convert any hard core torch and nail users, but made every vapor pipe owner at least try to stand up and take notice. The effects were couch locking.

Sooooooo, not the game changer than it appeared out of the gate, but one that is still evolving. We are now using our test unit to explore other avenues like oral meds as well.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Also wondering if anyone has any input about whether the stand for the homogenizer is worth ordering

What the stand allowed us to do, was homogenize a minimal amount of material while keeping the rotor end submerged at all times, and without hitting the bottom of the 140 ml beaker.

Because 24 grams of winterized oil is enough to not be casual about losing it to an experiment that didn't pan out, I got a beaker that was three times as wide as the rotor head, so as to keep the head out of any center vortex, and based the experiment on those volumes.

I adjusted the homogenizer so that it just barely cleared the bottom of the beaker when we oscillated it around, pressed hard against the stand base.

 

[frankenstein2]

K.....I might seem dumb for this but.... What if you had some oil that was just about the same consistency as a pg/vg mix. I made some bho awhile back, and during the purge I let it sit on the heat too long, and it partially decarbed. The consistency was like sap. from what I'm told it was "wheelchair oil". People got seriously baked from it. So why couldn't I just put oil of that consistency in my e-cig "cartomizer" , and blast away at it?