The Not So Solventless Clear Concentrate From Harborside!

[Daub Marley]

So it's all synthetic?

Basically they are gathering up marinol, in combination with other terpenes to try and recreate strains based on cannabinoid and terpene profiles?

No my guess is that the terpene blend is not all synthetic, but a mixture of terpenes from natural products. It is possible that some of the terpenes are synthetic, but I would not assume all are.

Here it is...
http://edenlabs.com/processes/coldfinger-extraction

I knew my original guess was close.

what was your original guess? The coldfinger extraction set-up you have linked has nothing to do with synthetics so I'm confused.

 

[cyphaman]

Sorry, That coldfinger extraction set up was way off on my part. Scratch that,

My original guess was that they are extracting using Butane, then possibly Winterizing in Ethanol prior to using Vacuum Distillation ie Rotovap or other, to Activate, and vaporize the oil. This would ensure all Ethanol is removed as well as the Terpenes and all other goodies.

This could involve Fractional columns so to separate different compounds with different boiling points, likely different colors too, keeping what is Clear and Translucent. This will Combine with their specific ratios and combinations of Terpenes (synthetic or not, although I think they are synth.)

Why I think this makes sense is they could be using sub-par material, basically anything to produce THCa and Cannabinoids, once it is cleaned up with the Ethanol, separated with Distillation etc. they would likely be obtaining the pure form of the THC somewhere, and scrapping other non desirables. so in reality they could get this result from any form of Cannabis, reducing their costs.

I think they just analyze their strains terpene profiles that are attractive, and try to replicate using very precise combinations and lots of tinkering..

I hear that the exact same flavor profiles would pop up from different "strains" sold by TheClear which kind of makes sense considering they are formulations rather than extractions.

Just my guess.

 

[Drue Bleam]

both of the offended/ offending members { DM and DB }.... need to leave it alone, and just walk away.... no pissing contest please...

Too much? My bad...

 

[Daub Marley]

Sorry, That coldfinger extraction set up was way off on my part. Scratch that,

My original guess was that they are extracting using Butane, then possibly Winterizing in Ethanol prior to using Vacuum Distillation ie Rotovap or other, to Activate, and vaporize the oil. This would ensure all Ethanol is removed as well as the Terpenes and all other goodies.

This could involve Fractional columns so to separate different compounds with different boiling points, likely different colors too, keeping what is Clear and Translucent. This will Combine with their specific ratios and combinations of Terpenes (synthetic or not, although I think they are synth.)

Why I think this makes sense is they could be using sub-par material, basically anything to produce THCa and Cannabinoids, once it is cleaned up with the Ethanol, separated with Distillation etc. they would likely be obtaining the pure form of the THC somewhere, and scrapping other non desirables. so in reality they could get this result from any form of Cannabis, reducing their costs.

I think they just analyze their strains terpene profiles that are attractive, and try to replicate using very precise combinations and lots of tinkering..

I hear that the exact same flavor profiles would pop up from different "strains" sold by TheClear which kind of makes sense considering they are formulations rather than extractions.

Just my guess.

I don't think your too far off base there. They do get leftover or non-selling concentrates and then clean them (probably through the processes you have described) and then add the terpenes. The different batches smell the same despite different strain names because the terpene formula they add smells all the same. The Werc shop knows the exact terpene profiles of the strains they attempt to recreate, but cannot recreate the exact scents behind each of them yet. That's what I was alluding to when I said that the science of understanding the mechanism of smell is in its infancy.

 

[cyphaman]

^Right on, very interesting...

 

[rb extractors]

So this is pretty amusing to read, and knowing what the process is, reading the posts of some is like playing a game of hangman. Let me first say that some in the know have intentionally misled you guys...

I can say that Ticklemyballs knows exactly what the system used is and I laugh every time I read his posts because he keeps giving you guys hints. They are utterly clear but that is because I now know what it is. So those of you being dicks to him should apologize as the dude knows his shit.

Now the thing with this technology is that it is a bit dated and there is a better, but more expensive method that you can apparently scale up for larger processing.

I can't wait to start making this stuff once the person who was kind enough to explain it to my dumb ass upgrades to the newer technology. So if you read this, get moving!

 

[Snype]

Subbed for the secret! I want to find this machine. Please tell more!

 

[TickleMyBalls]

So this is pretty amusing to read, and knowing what the process is, reading the posts of some is like playing a game of hangman. Let me first say that some in the know have intentionally misled you guys...

I can say that Ticklemyballs knows exactly what the system used is and I laugh every time I read his posts because he keeps giving you guys hints. They are utterly clear but that is because I now know what it is. So those of you being dicks to him should apologize as the dude knows his shit.

Now the thing with this technology is that it is a bit dated and there is a better, but more expensive method that you can apparently scale up for larger processing.

I can't wait to start making this stuff once the person who was kind enough to explain it to my dumb ass upgrades to the newer technology. So if you read this, get moving!

The funniest part to me, is that a huge clue is in plain sight for everyone to see.... Let's see if I can get some brains going this morning.... What if someone having nothing to do with cannabis had a part in naming this type of product? What if what everyone thinks is clever word play or misdirection, is just actually a technical name for what it is?

Interesting thoughts aren't they?

 

[Gray Wolf]

Hi,
That is not exactely like that. There is a difference between essencial oil and terpene.
Essencial oil refers to the extraction of different compounds from a plant. Those compounds are mix of terpenes, waxes…
If we isolate the terpene limonene from orange essential oil and from cannabis plant, both will smell exactely the same. Same with myrcene, pinene, linalool…
All the terpenes have a CAS number as have all mollecules to identify them:
Myrcene: CAS Number 123-35-3 Linear Formula H2C=CHC(=CH2)CH2CH2CH=C(CH3)2
α-Pinene: CAS Number 7785-70-8 Empirical Formula (Hill Notation) C10H16
β-Pinene: CAS Number 18172-67-3 Empirical Formula (Hill Notation) C10H16
…
High purity indivial terpene can be purchased as well as standard reference material for terpene quantification.

Peace.

Poorly communicated on my part. Said differently, when you buy terpenes, they are often not 100% pure, and may contain fractions close to their same molecular weights and boiling points.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Occums Razor is always a good place to start.

Don't know how Harborside does it, but one way to accomplish the same end with conventional equipment is along these lines http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=rotary+evaporator

They are less likely to be manufacturing their own terpenes, as oppose to just using available ones. Duplicating terpenes is not easy, because you make both right and left hands of the molecule, where nature has made only one hand.

The combination of both hands, is different than either hand by itself.

Sometimes folks in the know don't share because of signed "non-disclosure" agreements, or simply honoring verbal commitments to not divulge their secret. I most cases those secrets are not really secrets, though that they use the process is a secret.

I will go back and scan this thread, but do I understand that you posted an equipment picture that I missed TMB?

 

[TickleMyBalls]

I posted the pic on instagram for about 12 hours after I figured it out. Then I had some friends advise me otherwise. I haven't signed any non disclosure, as I figured it out on my own, but you know how this industry is GW. When you're on the business side of it, reputation follows you. I'm not gonna be the one to blow the secret in public, cause I'm not trying to burn any potential future bridges.

Honestly though, knowing you GW, when you find out the method, you will be very unimpressed. I could definitely see you using the process for your activated, edible/holy oil products though.

 

[Sirdabsalot46n2]

Is it that Dr. So & so's (can't remember) weird tower looking thing? Super old thing-a-mah-jig.?

Haha..lol

Shit is too funny.

 

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[Calimed]

Does the process involve diammonium phosphate...like what the Chinese use to clean up waste oil? (Ghetto version)

Or an oil purifier for used cooking/motor oil. (Expensive version)

 

[cyphaman]

thank you Unreg

That is kind of the cool thing about what clear is doing... they are taking crappy oil and refining. Imagine how much mediocre weed will be produced by corporate farms in the future that can then be cleaned up and made to look/smell really nice. Sadly this is the future of marijuana once corporations get involved... processed oil to the masses :/

Right on, I knew I was 99% there.... I just was overthinking it a little. Thanks ticklemyballs and RB for the clues this morning. made me go back and review/re think things a bit.

 

[UNREGISTRD]

So this is pretty amusing to read, and knowing what the process is, reading the posts of some is like playing a game of hangman. Let me first say that some in the know have intentionally misled you guys...

I can say that Ticklemyballs knows exactly what the system used is and I laugh every time I read his posts because he keeps giving you guys hints. They are utterly clear but that is because I now know what it is. So those of you being dicks to him should apologize as the dude knows his shit.

Now the thing with this technology is that it is a bit dated and there is a better, but more expensive method that you can apparently scale up for larger processing.

I can't wait to start making this stuff once the person who was kind enough to explain it to my dumb ass upgrades to the newer technology. So if you read this, get moving!

Ok redbeard...

 

[cyphaman]

and by 99% there I mean no where close to it.

 

[ruyguy23æ]

Vapor condensors will produce the same result as 'the clear' look. I don't know why anyone would wish to produce this type of medicine (as it is sub par in comparison to non vapor condensed oil), but they want to make money and they have an easy market to sell to. The biggest pro to this method amongst the con's is that they can in fact claim a clean solvent free extract and actually mean it.

Not completely related, but good info for anyone interested in the subject. It is a bit lengthy at 45mins, but worth a watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5w2R5oWP8U&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[cyphaman]

Oil Refining. Refining produces an edible oil with characteristics that consumers desire such as bland flavour and odour, clear appearance, light colour, stability to oxidation and suitability for frying. Two main refining routes are alkaline refining and physical refining (steam stripping, distillative neutralisation) which are used for removing the free fatty acids.

The classical alkaline refining method usually comprises the following steps:

Step 1.
Degumming with water to remove the easily hydratable phospholipids and metals.

Step 2.
Addition of a small amount of phosphoric or citric acid to convert the remaining non-hydralable phospholipids (Ca, Mg salts) into hydratable phospholipids.

Step 3.
Neutralising of the free fatty acids with a slight excess of sodium hydroxide solution, followed by the washing out of soaps and hydrated phospholipids.

Step 4.
Bleaching with natural or acid-activated clay minerals to adsorb colouring components and to decompose hydroperoxides.

Step 5.
Deodorising to remove volatile components, mainly aldehydes and ketones, with low threshold values for detection by taste or smell. Deodorisation is essentially a steam distillation process carried out at low pressures (2-6 mbar) and elevated temperatures (180-220°C).