Gorilla Glue #4

[OvergrowDaWorld]

I have noticed that when taking cuts for exact genetic cloning, if you take the smaller, slower growing branch on the oppisite side of the same node, you will get a dud and greater genetic drift.
I always take the healthiest branches for cloning. This will increase your chances of maintaining vigor and an exact representation of the original.
I always cut off the first 3 bottom nodes on a seed plant. These have greater risk for duds and genetic drift.

My 3 GG#4 clones, that are rooted and t/p'ed, were first dipped in AVID before the journey across the pond, then sprayed 2x with Captain Jacks with Spinosad.

I dont think the GG#4's had BM's. I know they had SpiderM's....... but should be free of bugs and eggs after the dip and sprays.

 

[Mikenite69]

I have always taking my cuts from the bottom little shit branches and never had a issue. To me it's seems the little branches on the bottom usually root pretty quick for me and I haven't ever saw a difference.

 

[dank.frank]

@Java - I don't treat for them as a standard - know I just know to scope plants and make sure they aren't infected. However, a rotation of avid and forbid every 3rd day for about two weeks will wipe them out - they are also able to be killed by extreme heat (temps above 120 for 15 minutes or longer) but I tend to think of that more as a treatment for the room / facility itself, more so than the plants.

Any time I use heavy chemicals like that, I always keep the plant out of flowering rotation for at least 90 days. Taking fresh cuts when possible and making a new mom from which to repeat the process for 3-4 cycles. But now I do make sure to keep new incoming plants away from my main vegging area - are true quarantine zone - for minimum of 2 weeks to make sure they are healthy and nothing is wrong with them. dank.Frank

 

[JointOperation]

damn.. did the person who gave u the cut .. tell you that they had spidermites? cuz if not that would piss me off.. even tho u got great genetics with it .. still .. a spidermite infestation.. can screw up an entire harvest .. man.. overgrowdaworld.. your having some crap luck.. i really hope things start to turn around for you.. you seem to be a great grower.. and looks like alot of people on icmag.. like you lol.. so how about we all send some positive vibes his way..

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Yes. He told me and dipped them in AVID before sending them. They are perfect.
No shit luck. Only solutions.
Im gratefull for the clones. Very gratefull. Things dont need turning around. Everythings fine. Nothing to see here.

Kick back and enjoy the show....or post pics of your GG#4.

 

[JointOperation]

lol either way.. sending some postive vibes your way... thats great tho..... i cant wait for my cut.. just gota wait for this clone to become a mom.. then GG4 is getting 1/4th of my room.. this cut made its way EVERYWERE. atleast its not being hoarded !! lol

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

I have always taking my cuts from the bottom little shit branches and never had a issue. To me it's seems the little branches on the bottom usually root pretty quick for me and I haven't ever saw a difference.

Enjoy growing them.

 

[Mikenite69]

For sure I will brotha! But I have been doing this for years usually all the small stuff that I would take off before flower is what I clone. I haven't ever noticed a difference except sometimes some of the clones would throw bigger buds than other clones of the same kind.

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

I have noticed that when taking cuts for exact genetic cloning, if you take the smaller, slower growing branch on the oppisite side of the same node, you will get a dud and greater genetic drift.
I always take the healthiest branches for cloning. This will increase your chances of maintaining vigor and an exact representation of the original.
I always cut off the first 3 bottom nodes on a seed plant. These have greater risk for duds and genetic drift.

Except for what you describe is not genetic drift. Genetic drift happens to a population over time through breeding as traits of the population "drift" from generation to generation.

Same plant, 2 clones = same dna = same plant.

What you are talking about is possibly differences in genetic expression caused my environmental factors but it's not genetic drift.

 

[Grizz]

For sure I will brotha! But I have been doing this for years usually all the small stuff that I would take off before flower is what I clone. I haven't ever noticed a difference except sometimes some of the clones would throw bigger buds than other clones of the same kind.

exactly, if you only use the strongest branches to take clones from your going to get a stronger better producing plant

 

[DETStrainKey]

Does anyone have any mothers we can take a peek at??? in the past i have had some problems with mother getting so bushy but not stretching too much (makes it a little harder to clone) does GG#4 do this... most of my mothers stay under a t5... I just took 7 clones off of my two little GG#4 they didn't even flinch there standing strong!!! Planing to make these my moms

 

[Grizz]

Does anyone have any mothers we can take a peek at??? in the past i have had some problems with mother getting so bushy but not stretching too much (makes it a little harder to clone) does GG#4 do this... most of my mothers stay under a t5... I just took 7 clones off of my two little GG#4 they didn't even flinch there standing strong!!! Planing to make these my moms

unless your running huge numbers in flower I see no need for moms , just take cuts from your veg plants,

 

[Mikenite69]

One of my cuts of glue rooted in 7 days not in a ez cloner. I just put that thing into a cup after only showing 2 healthy white roots out of the rapid rooter and that thing is off to the races already growing like a champ.

I'll tell ya though the gg#4 clones don't like low RH because they will flop right over. Yesterday when I took my humidity dome lid off to clean it man one of my glue cuts flopped right over. I put the lid back on and in a couple of hours she was happy again standing up.

 

[DETStrainKey]

Thanks JW... Most of the time i dont use my EZ clone i like the domes and rockwol cubes and i just toss them out after the domes are just a few dollars... seems to work better and faster for me... Oh and i love roottech cloning gel..i plan on filling up the room with GG#4 i just have 8k but it would be nice to see what i get..

 

[VerdantGreen]

lower branches usually root quicker because they have a higher starch content which provides the energy for rooting. there should be absolutely no genetic difference between shoots at the bottom or the top of the plant unless a mutation has occurred - and that is unlikely.
VG

 

[vta]

I am noticing that the GG is a great plant for clones....I love the way she bushes out....perfect scrog plant.

 

[DETStrainKey]

Nice.... i just have to be patient and let them fill out a little more before i take any more cuts...VG whats up?

 

[Marlo]

GG4 has great growth structure. I have way to many budsites to even try and count. I'm liking the way she is taking to the vert scrog. The plants in the middle are really loving life in btwn these 2 bulbs. Nice strong branches...hopefully to make nice big colas with.

I've s l o w l y started removing some fans and I'm going to be aggressive when removing sucker branches near the bottom and inside the bush. This is part of my normal routine and necessary for the way I grow. But, I'm curious how aggressive everyone else is being with pruning and removal of fan leaves on GG4. This my 1st time running her, but I've yet to find a plant that I have pruned to much.

Some plants do better than others when branches overlap and/or block each other out. Is GG4 one of those plants that only does well in direct llight? or will a shaded side branch still be respectable enough to keep on the plant?

 

[Grizz]

if she doesent get light the buds are rather small, if you notice dans pic's you can see he has really eliminated a lot of sucker branches and his buds are very fat. as you know I grow pretty much like your wow method, bare 1000 w on screens. I only remove fans that block light and really need to cut more braches that aren't in direct light. do what you always do to yours and you will be happy.

 

[Storm Shadow]

I think a lot of people had BM's b4 and didn't know... Your plants don't have to look infested or even unhealthy for you to have them...it just means the population is held in check... it only takes a couple of them though to inject toxins...

If it was a systemic disease of any sort... Then any strong Systemic Fungicide should work...Ive tried quite a few and still got duds....

I think OG kush clones from the med scene spread them everywhere.. 1 microscopic mite can do all the damage it needs to... Plus

Didn't Sunset hook a lot of people up with the GG#4 cut? He had BM's at one point or another.. so who's to say unless he went systemic Kontos....that they were all killed? Its impossible to know....