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Gorilla Glue #4
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Fwiw - if you have broad mites and you try to flower a plant, that was infected as a clone, it comes out like this by 5 1/2 weeks:
Notice the effect it has on the pistil and the tight nautilus at the tip of the fan blades...the complete lack of resin and improper calyx formation...
Do I get the ugliest plant every award?!?! winter 2011/2012 was a terrible year because of those lousy bugs. I keep those pics as a reference for anyone questioning the issue - and to remind myself to ALWAYS treat incoming clones. I never want to see anything that looks that terrible in my garden again!
dank.Frank
Notice the effect it has on the pistil and the tight nautilus at the tip of the fan blades...the complete lack of resin and improper calyx formation...
Do I get the ugliest plant every award?!?! winter 2011/2012 was a terrible year because of those lousy bugs. I keep those pics as a reference for anyone questioning the issue - and to remind myself to ALWAYS treat incoming clones. I never want to see anything that looks that terrible in my garden again!
dank.Frank
Chem D over sis? Jus wonderin ur opinion if u tried both bebe...I feel sister has that deep dank, and a strong buzz (relaxing high, not anxious)
Yeh homie she has liquid gooey resin, if avail in seed form I think sis would be a solid purchase. She was ready to lay her ass down in 62, makin her available to the masses well ahead of the sours! Peace lubber
So what do you guys mean when you say the plant duds out?
What happens to her?
What happens to her?
crooked have you checked to be sure your ph isn't off?
JointOperation
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any clones that are dudding out should be tissue cultured to get back to the great clone they were.. i was given a clone of Chem D a few years back that was really finicky.. and then a friend of mine.. did a tissue culture.. and gave me a clone back like 6 months later.. and it was a totally different plant.. it was amazing what was hidden in those genetics.
Tissue culture, so far is the only guaranteed way I have seen to bring back a plant. DJ short however has told me that weak plants he will put outside directly in the ground for the summer and take cuts off of the plant just before flowering and those cuts are always back to normal health and vigor. Just keep your eyes peeled for that healthy plant if you lost one you love. Someone has it. I had my favorite strain returned to me healthy as hell after having dropped it two years earlier cause no one I knew had a healthy cut of it.
CentralValley05
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Might explain why the one put out in greenhouse is doing fine. Thinking of taking a couple clones of the greenhouse plant. To start I got 4 gg4. 2 became moms, 1 into greenhouse, one into flower. Might try to find a spot outside for 1 of those moms.
Those out there that got cuts from PO, did you regret that decision, or got what you expected.
When looking for Duds.... Dear Cannabis I hate them...
Look for weak branches... small pointy light green leaves near the buds... minimal smell when plants begin to frost up....
Duds do not mean BM are present... it means they have infected your genetics with their toxin and its lingering..even after the Mites are gone... you can keep cloning the dud over and over ... u might get lucky...go through a few generations and it MIGHT come back to normal...but not likely...
Look for the light green pointy leaves... to me those are becoming the best indicator early on in flowering
Look for weak branches... small pointy light green leaves near the buds... minimal smell when plants begin to frost up....
Duds do not mean BM are present... it means they have infected your genetics with their toxin and its lingering..even after the Mites are gone... you can keep cloning the dud over and over ... u might get lucky...go through a few generations and it MIGHT come back to normal...but not likely...
Look for the light green pointy leaves... to me those are becoming the best indicator early on in flowering
I will say this.... the best thing I have seen for reversing DUD effects... come from Botanical Oils... constant use... you will see something special happen
Like the idea that Tmb suggested from DJ. Makes a lot of sense because for every predator there is a predator to eat the hell out of that in nature. I also like the fact that Mother Nature reinvigorates duds or clones that are starting to fail from genetic drift or some other problems.
oldnewfarmer
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Where did you get your gg's?
How fast glue is in veg.
How fast glue is in veg.
Here is a shot of my glue girl and how fast she has been veggin under a led light and I have hacked a bunch of cuts off her already. She is truly a hearty girl just go back a couple pages and look at the size difference from now till then. Also led is only rated at 200w at the wall.
How fast glue is in veg.
Here is a shot of my glue girl and how fast she has been veggin under a led light and I have hacked a bunch of cuts off her already. She is truly a hearty girl just go back a couple pages and look at the size difference from now till then. Also led is only rated at 200w at the wall.
I was looking into Tissue culture kit's to see if they where better at getting cuts across the pond..
DETStrainKey
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Thats a great idea!!! let me know what u come up with... it would be alot smaller package thats for sure
CentralValley05
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Oldnew- rather not say source or point fingers, as the problem may as well be caused on my end. But if you have concerns with yours shoot a pm and I'll let you know if they came from the same source.
Today took 5 cuts from the greenhouse plant with no problems. It was put out on Mar 1st, so bout a month into flower. It is the frostiest in the greenhouse, however never took clones that late into flower, so we'll see how that goes
Also after reading for the day, ordered a product called Mcyostop. It should be here Thurs. Going to hit my 2 moms with it. Lastly moved 1 of my moms outside, with a nightlight, to see if that helps. I will update if I see improvement.
Today took 5 cuts from the greenhouse plant with no problems. It was put out on Mar 1st, so bout a month into flower. It is the frostiest in the greenhouse, however never took clones that late into flower, so we'll see how that goes
Also after reading for the day, ordered a product called Mcyostop. It should be here Thurs. Going to hit my 2 moms with it. Lastly moved 1 of my moms outside, with a nightlight, to see if that helps. I will update if I see improvement.
Just for a bit of clarification on my end of things (not trying to be argumentative):
The dudding on Sour Dubb happened before the broad mite fiasco hit - maybe even two years prior...fwiw.
It was termed such just due to what seemed to be a random happenstance - put in 5 cuts of Dubb and have 3 of them "dud" out - ie under perform - not get dense, have weak smell, weak stems, lacking resin production, etc...same set of symptoms that Storm Shadow just described.
BUT - even when the cuts would "dud" - it was nothing close to as bad as that plant that was infected with broad mites. Those pics were taken during full infestation...and at the time of those pics, I hadn't even actually figured out that broad mites were the problem yet - but I saved them once I found out for record purposes.
Again, I am going to say with certainty - that the ORIGINAL "dud" issue with Sour Dubb was the result of a fusarium wilt infection that had gone systemic. This is not to say that later down the road, that broad mites didn't cause a different set of problems with those holding the cut - but the ORIGINAL issue with the duds wasn't latent damage from broad mites. (at least not on my side of the planet) I wasn't introduced to broad mites until a couple years later.
dank.Frank
The dudding on Sour Dubb happened before the broad mite fiasco hit - maybe even two years prior...fwiw.
It was termed such just due to what seemed to be a random happenstance - put in 5 cuts of Dubb and have 3 of them "dud" out - ie under perform - not get dense, have weak smell, weak stems, lacking resin production, etc...same set of symptoms that Storm Shadow just described.
BUT - even when the cuts would "dud" - it was nothing close to as bad as that plant that was infected with broad mites. Those pics were taken during full infestation...and at the time of those pics, I hadn't even actually figured out that broad mites were the problem yet - but I saved them once I found out for record purposes.
Again, I am going to say with certainty - that the ORIGINAL "dud" issue with Sour Dubb was the result of a fusarium wilt infection that had gone systemic. This is not to say that later down the road, that broad mites didn't cause a different set of problems with those holding the cut - but the ORIGINAL issue with the duds wasn't latent damage from broad mites. (at least not on my side of the planet) I wasn't introduced to broad mites until a couple years later.
dank.Frank
BlueBerryBaby
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I might be coming into contact with some GG4 
. Hopefully I can do her justice.
. Hopefully I can do her justice.- Status
