What is an effective setup yield wise for a 6 or 8 plant flowering room with 8k-10k watt lights. Space is unlimited but height is restricted to 8 feet high ceiling. I want to be able to have a perpetual harvest going and pulling at least 1.5 lb per light with low plant numbers. Veg time for each cycle is about 2 months otherwise there would be an empty flowering room. Is that possible? What method would you guys use? Any help is appreciated.
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Most effective setup for low plant count
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tokersmoke
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6 to 8 plants under 8-10k sounds like overkill.Plant counts suck.If you have an 8 week strain just add one plant every week to the flowering room.Before you send them to flower clone them for the next round.6-8 plants under two 600w sounds more reasonable.If you can keep it up and stay within your numbers you can harvest every week.
^good solid advice.
BagAppeal
Member
Dear Birdmayne
I say go for it!
Have you heard about "news" technique before?
It is basically a training method, to make a plant with four branches, each going in a separate direction, North, east, west, south, hence the term, "news".
You will have to keep four branches, i prefer to remove the first two nodes coming, leave the third and fourth, and top it right above the fourth node. This should leave you with 4 branches going in four separate directions if you tie them horizontally into a frame,as they grow, or a similar setup.
Continue doing so with your plants, removing all growth on the underside of the four branches, and let the branches you want to keep on the top get tied horizontally as needed. Once your plant is big enough, kick it into flower and add a screen.You should remove some branches to not overcrowd your screen.
All the best
BagAppeal
I say go for it!
Have you heard about "news" technique before?
It is basically a training method, to make a plant with four branches, each going in a separate direction, North, east, west, south, hence the term, "news".
You will have to keep four branches, i prefer to remove the first two nodes coming, leave the third and fourth, and top it right above the fourth node. This should leave you with 4 branches going in four separate directions if you tie them horizontally into a frame,as they grow, or a similar setup.
Continue doing so with your plants, removing all growth on the underside of the four branches, and let the branches you want to keep on the top get tied horizontally as needed. Once your plant is big enough, kick it into flower and add a screen.You should remove some branches to not overcrowd your screen.
All the best
BagAppeal
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acridlab
although I'm not into scrogging, I've always thought to myself, that's what I would do if I had only a few plants to grow...
If it were me,, and I was dead set on rocking that many lights with so few plants,,, I would get some monsters vegged out, and scrog one under each light,.. with my sour kush or diesel, I know I could get close to two pounds per.... lots of veg time tho, would take quite some time before you would see any results,, that's why I prefer perpetual sea of green.. can easily veg two plants faster, that would yield more, than one plant vegged for scrog..
If it were me,, and I was dead set on rocking that many lights with so few plants,,, I would get some monsters vegged out, and scrog one under each light,.. with my sour kush or diesel, I know I could get close to two pounds per.... lots of veg time tho, would take quite some time before you would see any results,, that's why I prefer perpetual sea of green.. can easily veg two plants faster, that would yield more, than one plant vegged for scrog..
Wsup Birdmayne
If you are looking to pull that kind of weight, you may want to consider something like this...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=236262
Being perpetual might be an issue tho.
If you are looking to pull that kind of weight, you may want to consider something like this...
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=236262
Being perpetual might be an issue tho.
Toker - 2 600s is out of the question for me. If I were to have to choose, I would rather veg longer than to downgrade on the lights.
Bagappeal - I never heard of the news technique before but it sounds interesting. It seems like lst with a screen added. I'm sure with what I'm trying to do I will have to do some sort of training with a screen. Thanks for the suggestion.
acridlab - What would your perpetual sog schedule look like if you were limited to 12 plants? I'm thinking maybe I should split 6 for veg and 6 for flower. Every 2 months put 2 in flower running 3 cycles that would leave me with plants that have been vegging for 6 months. That doesn't seem like much. Maybe I can veg all 12 at the same time and flower them?
Bagappeal - I never heard of the news technique before but it sounds interesting. It seems like lst with a screen added. I'm sure with what I'm trying to do I will have to do some sort of training with a screen. Thanks for the suggestion.
acridlab - What would your perpetual sog schedule look like if you were limited to 12 plants? I'm thinking maybe I should split 6 for veg and 6 for flower. Every 2 months put 2 in flower running 3 cycles that would leave me with plants that have been vegging for 6 months. That doesn't seem like much. Maybe I can veg all 12 at the same time and flower them?
BagAppeal
Member
Dear Birdwayne
It is covered good in "the secrets of the west coast masters" book. Its all about low plant count.
I have been doing it for a while myself, and see no problem in making the plants as large as you want it to be.
One thing to keep in mind, is to make yourself some large soil containers/beds, as you want as much as possible for your chosen few..
Does the count include numbers in veg as well?
If so, you could veg 4, bloom 4, and keep it going steady..
All the best
BagAppeal
It is covered good in "the secrets of the west coast masters" book. Its all about low plant count.
I have been doing it for a while myself, and see no problem in making the plants as large as you want it to be.
One thing to keep in mind, is to make yourself some large soil containers/beds, as you want as much as possible for your chosen few..
Does the count include numbers in veg as well?
If so, you could veg 4, bloom 4, and keep it going steady..
All the best
BagAppeal
Blackbuds - that looks like a good arrangement. I will keep that in mind.
Marlo - thats just what I'm looking for thanks for that link. That does seem like a lot of lighting for that low of a yield. If I did 6 plants with 8k lights, what are the possibilities of getting 2 lb per light? Thats my goal is to reach 2lb per 1k light using 6 or so plants.
Marlo - thats just what I'm looking for thanks for that link. That does seem like a lot of lighting for that low of a yield. If I did 6 plants with 8k lights, what are the possibilities of getting 2 lb per light? Thats my goal is to reach 2lb per 1k light using 6 or so plants.
Because you have 6 posts and are asking how to get 16 lbs from 6 plants indoors I say you have no chance of pulling it off
BagAppeal
Member
Dear Birdmayne
If 12 is your limit, I would veg 6, and have 6 in bloom, this will give your 6 plants in veg time to get large enough to be put into flowing when the other 6 are getting cut down.
This will keep you legal, and rolling all year round.
The reason I would maybe go horizontally, is since you say you have unlimited space, but 8-10K lighting. This way you can make your plants gigantic.
On the other hand, I really like the setup Marlo showed you as well, but I am assuming you will be needing bigger container for your plants to get closer to your goal.
I wish you the best of luck.
All the best
BagAppeal
If 12 is your limit, I would veg 6, and have 6 in bloom, this will give your 6 plants in veg time to get large enough to be put into flowing when the other 6 are getting cut down.
This will keep you legal, and rolling all year round.
The reason I would maybe go horizontally, is since you say you have unlimited space, but 8-10K lighting. This way you can make your plants gigantic.
On the other hand, I really like the setup Marlo showed you as well, but I am assuming you will be needing bigger container for your plants to get closer to your goal.
I wish you the best of luck.
All the best
BagAppeal
tokersmoke
Member
One pound off each light would be 8lbs.Two pounds per light would be 16lbs!!Even if you grew 7 foot monsters you wont see a pound and a half indoors off one plant.If you are concerned about plant count you should be thinking about how much herb you will be in possession of.
Downgrading on the lighting was the best suggestion made.If you can grow two pound trees indoors you dont need this forum.By the time you get done with the first tree you will owe a grand on your electricity bill.
Go outside to keep the numbers low and the yield high.Id say you would have a hard time hitting two pounds a tree outside if youre asking how to do it inside.
Downgrading on the lighting was the best suggestion made.If you can grow two pound trees indoors you dont need this forum.By the time you get done with the first tree you will owe a grand on your electricity bill.
Go outside to keep the numbers low and the yield high.Id say you would have a hard time hitting two pounds a tree outside if youre asking how to do it inside.
Hey Birdmayne, read up about Heath Robinson on here and try to copy his methods. He does very well with trees indoors. Here's a good thread of his:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=181239
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=181239
That's what I don't understand either. Is there a place where it's cool to have 16lbs in possession as long as you only have 6 plants in flower?
low plant counts are easy to deal with....just go big....30 gallon smart pot under a 1000w hps with supplemental 400w metal halide...not quite to 2 lb plants yet,26 oz is the best i have done,and one pound plants are fairly simple almost regardless of strain,and its not too hard to set up perpetual as it takes about 60 days of veg to get a plant big enough to toss a pound under a 1000w halide....
its doable...
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agree^^^ 1LB plants are not hard to do if vegged to maturity( min 60 days) Then do your screen so all flowers get good light. This lets you spread out the plant weaving,bending, pruning until as many flowers as you can get above the screen will get you close to 2lb.
I have always got better yields from plant's that where not crowded. I could care for them much better. When my flower rooms are packed its not as easy to tend to them like I want to. I just cant get in there to do plant maintenance. I end up breaking branches. So I keep my numbers just right so I can get around them all and do whats needed for a healthy grow. Having large numbers requires a large space IMO. Unless your doing a SOG/SCROG.
In this case you would put as many small plants that would fit prune off all branches except for the main cola. This method will produce larger yields. All you need to do is get 28g from ea plant so 32 plants will give you 2lb's.
I have always got better yields from plant's that where not crowded. I could care for them much better. When my flower rooms are packed its not as easy to tend to them like I want to. I just cant get in there to do plant maintenance. I end up breaking branches. So I keep my numbers just right so I can get around them all and do whats needed for a healthy grow. Having large numbers requires a large space IMO. Unless your doing a SOG/SCROG.
In this case you would put as many small plants that would fit prune off all branches except for the main cola. This method will produce larger yields. All you need to do is get 28g from ea plant so 32 plants will give you 2lb's.
crankin' out mathematicians...
good luck
good luck
