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Obama is positive for marijuana legalization

Jhhnn

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No argument there, fellow old hippie radical. I think there are lots of ways legal weed can be kept as a cottage industry but I don't see that happening the way things are going.

I don't want to see people jailed for weed any more than you do but I think mom and pop weed businesses are going to have a pretty short life span. Government and the politicians are too greedy not to mention the big corporations who have yet to figure out a way to cash in. So nothing really changes and we get Brave New World with everybody stoned and stupid as ever. Please prove me wrong.

Right now, I think, the most important thing is to get as many producers, vendors & consumers as possible on the right side of *legal*. Once initiated, as we've done in Colorado, the process should build on itself, spread relatively quickly. We're experiencing a paradigm shift that, once completed, will mean no going back. The reality of cannabis legalization is very different from the myths of prohibitionist raving, so the more people are exposed to it through MMJ & state level legalization the more quickly this will progress.

It'll take some getting used to for some. Not the reality of it, but rather the idea of it. What they'll see is that they experience no harm. Not a lot will change other than more openness about it, more tax revenues, better community relations for LEO's.

If I were sitting on my front porch smoking a joint & a cop came up, I wouldn't even blink, nor would they, I suspect. It's not a crime as far as either one of us is concerned, not in Denver. If the smell of growing pot escapes the premises, the only thing of any concern is being ripped off.

I'm all in favor of the compromises inherent in A64 necessary to achieve that. Big money get richer quick interests? Come on down, try your hand at it, and anybody else who wants to give it a go. The more clout & the more money on the legal side of the fence, the better. We'll sort out some of the details down the road, when the rest of Colorado is sure that they have nothing to fear.

Washington State lacks personal growing provisions, which I see as a bad mistake, an invitation to authoritarians. Washington authorities will still bust you for growing your own, but in Colorado they'll play Hell even getting a search warrant. I don't see the Feds bothering personal growers, either, not unless they think you're a lot bigger than that.

I tend to agree with you about it not being a cottage industry for long, but that's just business. Current retail licensing fees are too high for all but relatively larger operations, by design. OTOH, medical hasn't changed, either. Come 2016, any number of changes can be made. Hopefully, there will be a place for specialty growers in a market kinda like wine- there's Mad Dog & there's exquisite California chardonnay & everything in between.

What the market really craves are distinctive brand name reliable products at all levels. We'll know what we want before we walk in the door, maybe try something else, too, just for variety. Reliable brand names take the guesswork out of it.
 

Loc Dog

Hobbies include "drinkin', smokin' weed, and all k
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If you think Mitt Romney's DEA would have been sitting on the bench when retail marijuana stores opened in Colorado, you're probably delusional.

Clearly, Obama has done more than issue meaningless memos. What he's really done is invite other states to legalize, regulate & tax cannabis. By 2017, I hope it'll be too big & too late to go back. I'm confident Obama's people believe that as much as I do.

For those of us living in other states, it's time to get going, do what can be done to promote legalization. Supporting MJ activists financially is a good start- send 'em a check, like we've done every year for a very long while. Or volunteer as a canvasser, stuff envelopes, whatever they need done to get proposals on the ballot or under consideration by their state legislature.

Marijuana won't legalize itself, and bad mouthing what the Obama Admin has done serves us not at all. Them just getting out of the way of state level legalization, going along with it, is an enormous boost for legalization everywhere.

I NEVER MADE THOSE STATEMENTS!!!!!!! I do not know if someone hacked my account, or this site, or if it is a problem with how threads are displayed.
 

Loc Dog

Hobbies include "drinkin', smokin' weed, and all k
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I NEVER MADE THOSE STATEMENTS!!!!!!! I do not know if someone hacked my account, or this site, or if it is a problem with how threads are displayed.

I am sorry, new to this site, see the point, just not used to this interface.

Best to jhhhhn!!
 

Space Toker

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regarding your thread title: yes, that is about all he is positive for.

yes he has been positive for legalization, hey I wish he achieved all he set out to and said he would at the start, but that is the obstructionist oppositions fault for that, well if he assserted himself more initially... well, what ifs and what could have been has never changed anything. He still despite all the setbacks has been more positive than the opposition has been. Dubya was fighting med pot tool and nail right from the start. Obama never seemed to really have a strong position on pot either way, and that ended up being a good thing for us all. Give the man some credit, if not for being a leader than in being a waffler in chief that actually benefited us! WE would not be where we are progress wise with Romney or McCain in power that's for sure!
 

RoadRash

Member
If I were sitting on my front porch smoking a joint & a cop came up, I wouldn't even blink, nor would they, I suspect. It's not a crime as far as either one of us is concerned, not in Denver. If the smell of growing pot escapes the premises, the only thing of any concern is being ripped off.


Sounds like Paradise. :tiphat:
 

LayedBack

Member
Oh please, Obama fed us this line when he ran for his first election only to back down immediately once he got what he really wanted. I mean what the fuck, he's in his second term now. He could do a lot better than that for the movement and has very little to risk anymore. He's a bullshitter, a vacation monger, and downright incompetent in everything he does from foreign policy all the way to the monstrosity that is "Obamacare".

He's on my blacklist for life along with George Busch. But hey, at least half the UN backed up George's crazy ass when he went to war. Nobody took Obama seriously and Putin wouldn't even acknowledge his existence, that's how little Obama is.
 

ponobegone

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i don't support any of the crooks up there and never have but coming from the south (ran by old rich white folks that hate Obama first off cuz hes a ...... and wont hesitate to tell ya in public lol) but i believe this statement. if he legalized nationally he would be either assassinated or locked up by the bosses.
WE would not be where we are progress wise with Romney or McCain in power that's for sure!
 
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frankenstein2

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Anybody here watch House of Cards on Netflix? If you didn't, watch it. This is a behind the scenes look at how things really work. It's all fiction of course, but if you pay attention, you will see this series closely mimicks real life events, in real time. Money makes the world go round, anyone who doesn't accept this is living in a delusion.
 
This country is dead broke and needs something to keep it afloat just a little longer. If that means legalizing marijuana then that's what they will do.
 

LayedBack

Member
Anybody here watch House of Cards on Netflix? If you didn't, watch it. This is a behind the scenes look at how things really work. It's all fiction of course, but if you pay attention, you will see this series closely mimicks real life events, in real time. Money makes the world go round, anyone who doesn't accept this is living in a delusion.

Not to mention House of Cards is a really awesome television series on its own. But yes I agree, its pretty close to how things work. There is always something going on behind the scenes.
 

harry74

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Legalizing ? yes, I can see.

Kind of Mc Bud all over the states, selling crappy hydroponic Skunk#1 3 bucks gram.....
Big Co.´s, franchises.... fighting for the cake, like with everything else.....
Lovely.

May be even big grows in South America to put the cost Price down....
 

captinahab

Member
Its gotten so big they cant control it... and the police get such a kickback from arresting people.... that revenue depends on it thru the criminal justice system

So what do you do? The goverment forms n.o.r.m.a.l as a guide to steer it towards being used as medicine. Then they can tax the shit out of it. Control the head and you control the snake. Us being the snake we say yeah legalize it ill pay taxes on it.

What does the govenment do? Raise taxes. After the cats outta the bag. They put pot in a recreation tax increase year after year until its no longer profitable by anyone other than big corps. Then law will state you gotta be iso9000 comliant to even grow. So we give up our rights to grow our own meds.

What do we get in return... shitty mass produced fluff made the most profitable way possible. Like mcdonalds cheesburger are ok if you have never had a real burger. I belive it will come from extract. They will play them off as powerful potions in the media that consumers shouldnt be able to make because they might hurt themselves. They will site case of mold and other contaminates in them. Then they will say leave it to professionals for your own saftey.

But just like there are moonshiners HOW MANY FUCKIN YEARS AFTER PROHABITTION. Rest assure there will still be illigal grow ops 40 years from now. Moonshiners say fuck your swill.. will make our own. Its still profitable because the product isnt fluff like the wiskey in stores.

This is our weed and we shouldnt give it up to taxes. I can grow veggie and sell them outta the back of my truck and no one cares because there is no profit in it..... but damn if i make money selling pot outta my truck... they take my truck my house and my bank account..... along with my freedom...

Rest assure the government knew pohabittion of alchohol was comming to an end ... so they formed a commity and taxed the shit outta it. What is it like 33% tax before state taxes are added on a bottle of booze. If the price says 15 on the bottle then 5 dollar of that was taxes. And who gets the privalage of makin wiskey still today?..... only big business.

When i go to 420 rallies and hear "yeah just tax it" i dont think people are realizing what they are saying..... or they are frightened into doing so.

We have been thru this before and obbama is just a teleprompt reading puppet.
 

harry74

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This is our weed and we shouldnt give it up to taxes. I can grow veggie and sell them outta the back of my truck and no one cares because there is no profit in it..... but damn if i make money selling pot outta my truck... they take my truck my house and my bank account..... along with my freedom...


You hit the nail man

I totally agree.
One day we will have to pay taxes even to be able to breath
And if you are overweight they will put you in a kind of prison making aero-bic with Michelle Obama.
And a chip in the ear like they do aroun here with the dogs to have you under control 24/7.
 

captinahab

Member
I got a buddy doin 15 federal (full time must be served) for growing under 20 plants in his own house. They played it off in court as he was supping the whole state and the jury bought it hook line and sinker. In truth he couldnt have filled the cab of a single semi...... little alone the trailer. Menwhile i can drive to colorado and buy weed over the counter..... hell they will even do it with a big smile as they thank you for the tax money.


So why is one pot seller a bad guy... and one pot seller a good guy?.. bingo.. its the taxes paid.

They dont tax ebay... why not chop their tax up to 33% and leave pot alone if they need money. They could find other sources for their 80 billion dollar spy satalite.

Obama could smoke a joint on tv tonight and it would still be illigal. He is above the law... without question. I forgot the latin term for it but its on our curency
 

harry74

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Sorry to hear about your buddy; I´ve got 16 plants flowering at the moment......

I guess with the actual legal limbo they can do whatever they do.

Somehow you are politically correct( you grow but you pay taxes, you sett up a co, you do your shit in a capitalist way), is fine.

You are not politically correct? You have a more challenging attitude? You don´t play with the rules ? ( the rules of Babylon)

They fuck you up, big time

We say aroun here:

Who makes the law, makes the trick:)

I remember I saw in a canna magazine about a guy who was working for wallmart. He had his medical card as I think had some
cáncer.
Anyway, they kicked him out.
 

captinahab

Member
Their is no bandwaggon to even jump on. My state went medical but is only looking to colorado growers to come in and run the med side. No growing allowed at all by civilians. No care for the people serving time for it. Hell... let them out and give them a nice paying job running an op so they can be a productive member of society... that was the goal right?

No offense to colorado or michigan med pot but i can do better and i live here in this state and i need a job. Ive had plenty of their machine beat... advanced nuted..quick dried ....wonderful meds..

Its so crappy getting pot that is called medical and 3 hits in its goes chared black and taste cashed with 65 percent of the bowl left....
 

captinahab

Member
I think only the backwash floats my way. Ive never scoped visualy intact pot that had trics from co or mi... it was all round rock looking buds. Im sure their are plenty of good growers in both areas but they hord that shit to themselves.

Im friends with a few good growers in both states... none sell to the pubic shops.
 
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