BuCKet JuCkETs 4K Stadium (aka The Wall Of Fame)

[ProMixNSunshine]

Background- my first vert grow was the wall of shame, it was a mono-cropped run of 50 ecsd clones around a bare 600, it had SO much potential...... but I didn't pay it much attention, so I undervegged, combined with really cold soil temps, it was pretty pathetic.

This run is a clusterfuck, some a bit overvegged, had a little setback with some herbivorous insects munching on the roots last week but caught it right away this time. Need to get on that mono-cropping status asap I know I know, but tryin' to keep #'s down too. First time using any kind of a screen as well, I think I really like it, it seems to fit my growing style well, always wanted to use a screen.

2 1k's and 3 600's, right know they are spaced 32", I think that's too much, but I also want to add a few more bulbs somewhere in there, I'll see how I feel once I construct the reflectix tee-pee reflector idea I have kicking around in my head.........

 

[ProMixNSunshine]

 

[SRGB]

ProMixNSunshine:

2 1k's and 3 600's, right know they are spaced 32", I think that's too much, but I also want to add a few more bulbs somewhere in there, I'll see how I feel once I construct the reflectix tee-pee reflector idea I have kicking around in my head.........

Hi, ProMixNSunshine.

Nice work.

It might be an interesting gardening experiment to stagger the luminaires` positions in relation to each other.

If the luminaires are presently spaced at approximately 32 inches apart from each other, some (approximately 25%) of their lateral illumination might be being dispersed onto the adjacent luminaire, as opposed to the specimen.

Also. at least 2 (higher powered) of the luminaires could also be raised, perhaps by approximately 12-18 inches, in order to gain greater overall coverage - and also so that the luminares are not shining into each other.

The luminaires do not have to be in a straigt line. They could be positioned diagonally, at an approximately 60 degree angle, or, in a `zig-zag` pattern; as well as staggering them vertically.

For example, at the presently depicted illustrations, the center (middle) luminaire might appear to be emitting approximately 50% of its illumination directly onto the 2 adjacent luminaires positioned at either side of it (approximately 25% on either side shining into the adjacent luminaire) - not necessarily across or onto the given area.

Note: The 50% is only an appoximation; though at least some of that energy appears to be emitting directly onto the adjacent luminare - and vice versa; perhaps amounting to energy (loss [sic]) not being delivered to the entire area as a whole. Offsetting the luminaires might both free that light energy to be delivered at the maximum efficiency to the area as a whole, perhaps decreasing the energy lost by roughly 25% - 50% of the emitted energy traveling not over the coverage area, but directly into corresponding light energy of the adjacent luminaire.

In brief, the inner luminaires might be - at least partially - shining into each other, not across the coverage area. That might simply be `lost` energy - though with prospective slight adjustments, each luminaire could have its own `path` to emit its energy, without being obstructed by an adjacent `object` (in this instance, an adjacent luminare also serving an `object` in the path of the former `object`), which, in essence, might be `blocking` the light waves` movement across the area.

Even without experimenting with the full example alternative configuration described below, if the center (middle) luminaire was raised vertically by approximately 12 inches, it would no longer be emiiting 50% of its light energy onto the 2 adjacent luminaires on either side of it (the center,or middle luminaire).

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A possible alternative configuration:

where

`0` and `o` = luminaire
`...` = approximately 32-36 inches


(top view)

0......0......0 <= Not in a straight line
...0......0.... <= Not in a straight line

(panoramic side view)

...0......0.... <= Not in a straight line, 2nd luminaire positioned at 4-6 diagonal offset from 1st luminaire
............... <= 12-18 inches of space between top row and lower row
0......0......0 <= Not in a straight line, 2nd and 3rd luminaires positioned 4-6 diagonal offset from 1st luminaire

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The basic concept being there there would be no `straight` line between adjacent luminaires.
If viewed from either end of the row, each luminare would be slightly offset from the adjacent luminare. `Offset`, in this example might be approximately 4-6 inches `offset` from a given straight line when viewed from either end of the garden. 4-6 being the approximate width of a given luminaire.

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(side view from either end of area)
...0... <= luminaire #1 (top row), offset diagonally by approximately 4-6 inches from adjacent (64 inches apart) luminare (#2) on top row
........ <= 4-6 inch diagonal positioning of 2nd luminaire on top row (when viewed from end of area, gardener can `see` both luminaires - though they are space approximately 64 inches apart)
..0.... <= luminaire #2 (top row), offset diagonally by approximately 4-6 inches from adjacent (64 inches apart) luminare (#1) on top row
........ <= 12-18 inches of space between top row and lower row
0....... <= luminaire #3 (lower row), offset diagonally by approximately 4-6 inches from adjacent (64 inches apart) luminare (#4) on lower row
.0....... <= luminaire #4 (lower row), offset diagonally by approximately 4-6 inches from adjacent (64 inches apart) luminare (#5) on lower row
..0....... <= luminaire #5 (lower row), offset diagonally by approximately 4-6 inches from adjacent (64 inches apart) luminare (#4) on lower row

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something similar to

(side view from either `end` of area)

....o <= 1st luminaire at far end of top row (can see each full luminaire from end, offset diagonally by approximately 4-6 inches - as viewed from end of row)
..0.. <= 2nd luminare on top row being positioned so that it is viewable from the `end` of the row
0.o.0 <= lower row of luminaires (can see each full luminaire from end, offset diagonally by approximately 4-6 inches - as viewed from end of row)

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(abbreviated approximate top and side view adjacent diagonal positioning)
..o
0.. <= each luminaire offset by 4-6 inches diagonally from adjacent luminaire

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a) no straight line between luminaires (so the luminaires do not illuminate directly into each other);
b) stagger the lumiares both vertically and diagonally to gain a broader overall dispersion of illumination;
c) when viewed from either the `end view` perspective or the `side view` perspective, the luminares would not be in any linear order; with each luminare being slightly offset both vertically and diagonally from the adjacent luminaire in the given `row`.

Somewhat difficult to draw a diagram with text, yet the fundamental concept might be to slightly offset each adjacent luminare so that when viewed from any static position in the area, the luminaires might appear to be `staggered` both vertically and diagonally. The approach might be to disperse illumination from multiple angles, to gain broader overall coverage, and to decrease the instance of luminares emitting approximately 25% of their illumination directly onto the adjacent luminaire.

Just sharing an possible alternative configuration of energy dispersion, which a gardener might further consider, examine, explore or experiment with.

Kind regards,
/SRGB/

 

[mr. gt]

tagged... looking great man. Ever think about putting plants in between lights so you get 4 sides of crop to each light. Looking great though man.

also what strain/s?

 

[ProMixNSunshine]

Yeah, there is one between bulbs but it's below, an older bushier one, and I have more of them temporarily in the top row that I was planning to put between bulbs when the other ones fill out, but I just ordered another light so I might do those hor. Plus there is the whole handwatering thing.......

Wish I could tell you the strains, could be anywhere from 15 to 25 different ones, only a few seed plants in veg that got fucked up bad are labelled, they are recovering nicely & I will be mono-cropping one of them soon- Mandalla hashberry, g13 c99 (Not like c99 at all) critical mass, chronic, critical kush, and something else I can't remember. What's in flower is most likely mostly mass stuff- some chems, sour, but there is possibility of some pineapple & blue dream. Hopefully I have the Apollo in there so I can make posts like SRGB. Very scientifical explanation there, I appreciate you taking the time to detail it all out so it made sense, and it did make sense! I think highest on my list should be regarding what I can bounce back that I am losing to the above, that way I won't have to move light higher to still pound the tops of the top row. If everything stretches to where I think it will (LOL, I have no clue obviously) I think I'll be at like 40 watts per square foot, which isn't what I like. I know 50 is recommended but my best horizontal run was upwards of 70. I want to create Mt. Reflectix first, a silver volcano spewing a very orange glow to try to go pound town on these bitches.

I've had good results handwatering in promixBX, in the past I've used Jacks with good results and have even done some zero run-off complete cycles, this is my first go organic and it's been working out awesome so far. BX with lot's of good ewc and mushroom compost, also added kelp meal & greensand. Keep them happy with aact, urine, & fish emulsion so far, I'm hoping I can keep it up because they seem to be loving it. I need to add some bat guano and a bigger air pump to the list of shit I don't have money for though so hopefully I can stay away from the jacks.

Also fucking around with Pine bark Fines on 3 or 4 of the plants in the top row, al's 5-1-1 mix. Except instead of 1 part peat and 1 part perlite I used 2 parts BX (with all the organic amendments above minus mushroom compost) I also didn't put drainage holes in those buckets...... Was going to experiment with hempy's, then said "Fuck it, why a hole, and why coir". There's maybe 3 or 4 of them and they look great. I think I like it so far but they've been smaller plants in big buckets so haven't needed much in the way of even being looked at really, but I like the pine bark. I went ahead and mulched everything with it nice and thick as well, I don't know why I didn't always mulch the promix.


Anyways, Day 2 Pic's, plant's looking happy, thought this looked cool....

Seem to be adjusting, smallest of the plants on top row....

Oh boy, this is going to get overgrown & messy........

 

[ghostmade]

looking good .tagged

 

[steadydets]

The first pic with the fulll cover welding observation goggles is scary lol


Nice set up brother, I agree with the previous post, try staggering the lights a bit at different heights to get more uniform coverage.

Have you got a light meter?

What strain btw? Feeding schedule?


-steady

 

[DabOnDabs]

I gotta pic somewhere of 40 plants wrapped around 4k in the same home depot buckets in the same config. Fuckin awesome.

 

[Marlo]

Tagged

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very nice

 

[mr. gt]

More pics and an update!!

 

[ProMixNSunshine]

I Have a better camera, I PROMISE I'll use it for some shots in a week or so

Shlt is blowing up, I'm shooting for 7.5lb's but I'll be happy with 4. The small plant's in the 5.1.1. mix sans drainage holes are just as healthy as the ones in my regular Promix BX, so far I really like this stuff & I hopefully some day soon I'll be able to set up a DTW with it so I can go on a vacation, allthough that would require timers. Yeah, I haven't been using timers on this grow & don't think I will, plug in timers are a fire hazard & the 240v water heater timers always seem to crap out on me, so I play god & flip the lights twice a day, really helps with setting a daily schedule as well.

I'm getting sick of handwatering, but in some ways I like it. I've gotten my system down pretty good & it gives me a great opportunity to get close with the girls, it's nice to know how much they are drinking, but condensation on the windows will do.

Some of the ones that had been flipped 12/12 under hor. we're very bushy and they seem quite content hanging out in the bottom between bulbs, next step is to build an actual shelf for the top row because they really need to be moved up about 3-4" to help open up the bottoms. Anyways, on to the pics- the one with the clover is one of the 5.1.1. plants. Oh and a few nights ago I was sleeping on the floor of the grow room in one of the closets and I thought the different spectrums looked cool, so I snapped a few pics.

 

[ProMixNSunshine]

Only a mini-bic
This is BX W/Amendments, but it is all mulched with the pine bark that I am growing in almost directly in a few of the containers (5 Parts Pine Bark Mulch from Agway W/ 1 Part Pro-mix & 1- Part EWC.) From everything I hear on the veggie forums it's like Coco but WAY better, I really like it so far.

4 or 5 days ago, shlt has filled in much more-

 

[ProMixNSunshine]

How I know shit is rocking-

 

[ProMixNSunshine]

I gotta pic somewhere of 40 plants wrapped around 4k in the same home depot buckets in the same config. Fuckin awesome.

Would love to see them, I gained a lot of knowledge comparing your first set-up with your current and I've slowly been chipping away at reading your thread.

I've also been looking around trying to find pics I saw of someone's set-up a few years back but don't recall seeing completed pics, the guy had built a massive doughnut around the bulb(s?) with 5 gallon buckets like 4 rows high, shlt was crazy looking.

 

[DabOnDabs]

Cool man, I'll look around for those pics..

4 rows high of Home Depot buckets?? Haha where are the plants supposed to go? Those home dept buckets gota be 18 inches tall at least. That's 6' of just bucket space! Sounds interesting tho. As far as comparing vert setups...

The shelves suck... It's hard as fuck to get at the plants on the back rows unless you have a space to walk around behind them. I'm having better luck now with one row of really tall plants.... But I probably am gonna get away from the straight line of lights setup. AsSRGB already stated... There's gotta be some light loss from only surrounding the lights on two sides. Next runs for me are probably gonna be 4 plants around a 1k... 5x5' screens behind each plant... I averaged a little over 12oz per plant last time, I can only hope that surrounding the light with 4 plants will eliminate all light loss and will still allow me to hit 10-12 oz per plant for 40-48 oz per light.. Then Heath Robinson can get on deeZe nuts

Take care man, I'm here if you need anything... Advice or other!

 

[mr. gt]

Now im impressed. I love the plants under the light and all around it. Looks fucking great man! Does it make sense to put up a second row stadium style above the outer most plants? I see your vegging/flowering them and making them higher with the screen but the stadium style could possibly save some veg time, but add to the plant count. I cant tell what the light height is.

One of my favorite grows on here right now man. Keep it up!

~mr. gt

 

[mr. gt]

I can only hope that surrounding the light with 4 plants will eliminate all light loss and will still allow me to hit 10-12 oz per plant for 40-48 oz per light.. Then Heath Robinson can get on deeZe nuts

Take care man, I'm here if you need anything... Advice or other!

Hey man. Don't disrespect my hero! haha jk man. cant wait to see your next op.

 

[DabOnDabs]

You disrespect my famiry

 

[ProMixNSunshine]

Now im impressed. I love the plants under the light and all around it. Looks fucking great man! Does it make sense to put up a second row stadium style above the outer most plants? I see your vegging/flowering them and making them higher with the screen but the stadium style could possibly save some veg time, but add to the plant count. I cant tell what the light height is.

One of my favorite grows on here right now man. Keep it up!

~mr. gt

It makes perfect sense to add a third row, but every time I see 3 row stadiums the third row is always pretty far from the bulb, so I think the best way to have a third row is to hang them from the ceiling and grow them out of the bottom of the container like a topsy tervy, but imo before that step would be mono-cropping a higher plant count in smaller containers.

Anyways, I've been loosing lower leaves pretty fast, I was freaking out, but I think I'm chalking it up to high temps & hungry plants. I didn't think I could dose them hard with food, but now that I see the roots of one of the larger ones I'm like 'fuck, no way to up pot so going to have to go a little harder on the feeds'

Check it.....

 

[ProMixNSunshine]

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