Oldtimer's Haze

[dubi]

aunque la planta no este adaptada, la estoy cultivando con un techo de 2.5 metros, vamos a ver.

Dubi, she has been in a flowering light cycle for seven weeks, pistils began to form more than five weeks ago. How much more can I expect her to stretch from now?

(in the back corner, you can see I have tied her branches down to train out)

There is not a speck of anything but green on this plant. With a sweeter smell Im thinking she is a green haze. Clones from this plant have rooted very vigorously.

Hola Bear Riot, your oldtimer's haze looks great, you are doing a great job with the topping and training. What a difference in the last 2 weeks! Looks like she is really starting to flower, nice flower leaf ratio, hopefully anticipates huge flowers!

Both Terpene and Ur Humbl Nr8tor made very interesting comments, haze can continue the stretching in the rest of flowering but yours looks under control, usually the haze stretching stops a lot after 8-10 weeks of flowering. You can also repot her and she will still expand its roots and will profit more organic nutrients, but maybe after the repot she like to stretch a bit again.

 

[recent guest]

She has stopped stretching for me. I was looking at photos and I have had her in 12/12 since December 1st, so ten weeks. I repotted her ten days ago using Ocean Forest with guano, worm castings, greensand, azomite mineral dust, and some deer hair for slow release nitrogen. She increased size a small amount but is now bulking up the flowers.

Nasturtiums, tomatoes, basil, dill, and three Oldtimer's Haze clones:

Preflower on a clone:

 

[maree]

Posting here simply to say how much I've enjoyed this thread. Lots of useful, very practical information to be gleaned and even more good vibes emanating from all. Top notch!

 

[dubi]

Love the tropical splendor in your indoor setup, Bear Riot

 

[recent guest]

Love the tropical splendor in your indoor setup, Bear Riot

Thanks Dubi, but I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy. The haze is in the back corner and she is very hard to reach without feeling intrusive to the rest of the plants.

Here is a lower branch from today. If I had her in the greenhouse under natural winter light since December 1st, I guess that would mean that this is her 13th week of flowering, even though it took her six weeks to show flowers at all.

I am wondering how much longer she needs to go, the first orange hairs appeared today, I am hoping to leave her six or seven more weeks. Very little resin showing.

Also Dubi is it normal for Haze to start to lose some color in her lower leaves at this point in flowering? I feel like it is too early.

 

[Ranger]

Bear, yes it is normal and she will begin to drop her larger fan leaves as you go down the road until nothing is left but bud leaves. 6-7 more weeks will be no problem for your girls.

mine had orange hairs for half of flower, pretty much looked beat by the time 17 weeks went by.

 

[photoperiodic]

i have to say watching as each plant matures they seem to function,i a wholly different style. it is so interesting to watch as these plants with simple water and soil from kmart seem to do way better than any plant cared for indica style.am i far off in this presumtion.
does anyone know the lumiens per square foot.is there any way to make it viable to grow these for medical production? we need these varieties available.i am considering setting up in southern new mexico would i be able to get harvest i can be proud of as the law there states i can do 150 at a time they would need to be monsters.

 

[recent guest]

150 monsters would be a seriously excessive amount of weed. I have one plant, grown as small as I could grow her, and the yield is very impressive despite the extreme sparse foxtail structure of the buds.

Dubi, I have sprouted two more seeds from my Oldtimer's Haze pack, the pack was purchased last year and is dated 02/11/12. When I sprouted the plant that I am flowering now, I sprouted two seeds and one of the seedlings expressed a very broad indica looking leaf so I culled it thinking that it might have been some outlier, maybe a grain of rouge pollen. However, now that I have two more seedlings growing, the same exact thing has happened. One looks to be the exact green pheno that I am flowering now, and the other has the same oddly indica expression. Here are pictures of both:

Green Haze, obviously sativa pheno:

Indica looking (green pot in foreground):

 

[kiwigreen420]

Lots of pure sativas look indica at the start, don't cull them man!.
Once they flower they'll turn into thin leaf tropical sativas like the Panama and sometimes Malawi.

Hows your big girl going in the tent? looks Amazing like a classic haze.

 

[BoldAsLove]

I would like to say thank you to everyone who has had a part in preserving, reproducing, and sharing information on this line for all to enjoy. Here are some pictures showing some of the diversity I'm seeing indoors at 26 days of veg time in these OTH individuals:

#6 - Widest leaves, darker colored leaves, 9 finger leaves at this point, purple stems, i'm thinking a very light feeder (leaves clawing at tips), above average branching

#7 - Long thin light colored leaves, 7 finger leaves, green stems

 

[BoldAsLove]

#9 - Wider darker leaves, purple stems, 13 finger fan leaves

#11 - Thinnest lightest colored leaves, 7 finger fan leaves, green stems, below average branching, likes less water than all others so far

 

[BoldAsLove]

And the group

I'm planning on taking clones when sex is shown and flowering those out in a scrog, with (hopefully) males going to another chamber to collect pollen. My first goal is an open pollination for preservation, followed by saving a large amount of pollen, and lastly I hope to enjoy some flowers as I've never ever had pure haze, even if they don't show their potential in my setup which is:

600w LED
100w UV/blue CFL

~50 gal. recycled soil ammended with 3 cups dolomite lime, 1 cup P guano, 1 cup kelp meal, 1/2 cup N guano, and 1 gal. homemade compost

I thought this would be light enough to avoid any clawing, but a few have already shown it. Also most of them show signs of what I'm guessing is ph issues (leaf tips curving outward). I'm planning on taking runoff readings next water. I just switched to RO water to cut out the minerals in my tap. Does anybody have any advice for the mix the clones will be flowered in? There's still enough time to cut or add things, and I'm patient.

 

[BoldAsLove]

Sorry I just saw two mistakes in my posts and can't edit them yet.

#9 has 11 finger leaves as you can probably make out

and

I checked my notes, and I added 6 cups dolomite lime to my soil, not 3

 

[rüdiger]

BoldAsLove,

wow. you do big work. very detailed description of your impressions!

Your setup is very intresting

thank you.

you can work towards a slow N cutout in your organic media while amending it with teas high in PK and micros.

I work with very large amounts of wormcastings in my media, providing aeration via perlite.
now i try a substrate wood fiber(topora) cause i dont like to work with perlite(dust).
maybe leave out the N guano and add wormcastings.

but i am forcefeeding my sativas in very rootbound state in a micro sog.
more or less mixing organic and chemical nutrient in different schedules.

I put PurpleHazeThai to flower today, oldtimers are in planning...

rüdiger

 

[dubi]

Thanks Dubi, but I wouldn't recommend it to my worst enemy. The haze is in the back corner and she is very hard to reach without feeling intrusive to the rest of the plants.

Here is a lower branch from today. If I had her in the greenhouse under natural winter light since December 1st, I guess that would mean that this is her 13th week of flowering, even though it took her six weeks to show flowers at all.

I am wondering how much longer she needs to go, the first orange hairs appeared today, I am hoping to leave her six or seven more weeks. Very little resin showing.

Also Dubi is it normal for Haze to start to lose some color in her lower leaves at this point in flowering? I feel like it is too early.

Hi Bear Riot,

I apologize for not replying your question before, looks like i overlooked your post.

Oldtimer's Haze usually takes 16 to 20 weeks to fully mature, especially when is grown from seed indoors. Clones from the same plant will finish 2-3 weeks earlier, always depending on the enviromental variables.

I just saw you already have harvested the plant in other thread. Congrats!
Very few growers have the patience and courage to fully mature this extreme tropical sativas indoors. Hope you find this wild old sativa line interesting.

I wouldn't cull seedlings just by the look, let her show her traits until she is older, it's good to wait at least until the flowering to have a better idea of what are you selecting for/against.

It's quite normal that a haze plant grown in a pot loses her fan leaves, the flowering is so long that is hard to keep her in perfect shape for the second half of flowering, despite she doesn't need too much nutrients. Grown in soil is a different history, as long as the soil is rich and the plant has enough sun it grows and grows ... and it flowers keeping most of her leaves until the end of flowering.

 

[dubi]

Hi BoldAsLove,

Beautiful haze group, thanks for your kind words. We are very proud to have had the chance to preserve and share such an amazing old sativa like oldtimer's haze is.

The line is extremely tropical and it has not been fully adapted to artificial lights. Indeed the leaf curling is quite normal when you are growing indoors this kind of tropical sativas, even with strong HPS.

Best wishes for the selection and reproduction, please let me know if you have any doubt during the process.

 

[Terpene]

I thought this would be light enough to avoid any clawing, but a few have already shown it. Also most of them show signs of what I'm guessing is ph issues (leaf tips curving outward). I'm planning on taking runoff readings next water. I just switched to RO water to cut out the minerals in my tap. Does anybody have any advice for the mix the clones will be flowered in? There's still enough time to cut or add things, and I'm patient.

Hazes need very little juice, you can't push em like you can other sativas - decades of inbreeding coupled with ultra skinny leaves make for a plant that will claw if you so much as look at it the wrong way. To give you an idea - I've run fox farm happy frog and plain water from seed to chop on all of my Ace hazes without any additional fertilization and had no nutrient issues. You might want to add a small amount of molasses to your water in flower (1tbsp per 3-5 gal or so) but that's as far as I would dare to go.
FFHF potting schedule was .5gal -> 1gal -> 2.5gal -> 5gal -> 10gal

 

[Undomesticated]

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[BoldAsLove]

Thank you all very much for the advice!

I'm in the process of cloning out the now sexually mature OTH plants. Of the group of 16, (small sprouts in the group pic were of JBM) I ended up getting 11 females and 5 males.

I made a poor choice to both discard a full set of rooted clones, and change the light cycle to 12/12 because the mothers still hadn't shown any signs of sex at 9 weeks of veg, and now I'm paying for it with less cloning vigor than before.

I have cut my mix with 10 gal. of pH corrected peat. I'm also planning on mixing in the 16 gallons of now used up soil from the seed plants. Most of the plants' leaves straightened out after a couple more internodes of growth from what was shown in those early pictures, and a couple didn't, which makes me suspect some N overfeeding in the early stages of growth. I'll be specially preparing the soil for those two whose leaves never straightened out. pH has been very good and steady from 6.0 -6.4. Thank you to whomever suggested mixing the RO water with 1/5 tap water in "My IC". I was starting to see micro deficiencies start, and a few waterings with that mix straightened it right out.

Dubi, these plants have exposed every weak spot of light in my cabinet. The branches that are within about 3 feet of distance to my lights, and haven't been in one of those weak lighting spots seem to do ok; they don't curl much at all (from low light at least). I understand they may still curl when flowering gets into full swing, but this at least gives me hope for a decent showing from some of these plants in a SCROG.

These seed plants have been in 12/12 for around 3 weeks now (still in those 1 gallon containers too), and despite this very short amount of time, there is one that is standing above the rest. While smelling the very young buds, I discovered that while all other plants haven't developed many noticeable terpenes yet, #5 already has. It has a very distinct bright woody incense smell, a bit like cedar or an unburned stick of Hojari frankincense. It also has shown shorter than average internode length so far. I didn't plan on making a mother selection, but that could change by the time this project is over.

 

[BoldAsLove]

Three of the five males have stopped stretching and are starting to drop pollen, so I placed cuttings in water to catch some pollen. I snapped some pics and thought I'd share:

#1 - Most vigor of any plant in the group, long internodes, above average lower branch formation, small flower clusters, slight to moderate purple coloring, second fastest flower formation, thin flexible stems

#9 - Average vigor, medium flower clusters, heavy purple coloring, average lower branching, and it did end up with 13 finger fan leaves (the only one), fastest flower formation, average stem thickness

#10 - Slightly below average vigor, medium-large flower clusters, below average branching, mostly green -- only hints of purple, third fastest flower formation, thick sturdy stems