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Snype documents the effect of tumors treated with oral Hash Oil
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Tests work in numbers not just 1 person. We don't know his exact methods and all the variables that were involved in both situations. When he made the BHO, was it the same strain as the RSO? Was it harvested at the same time? How exactly did he make the BHO? How exactly is BHO different from RSO chemically? There are many more questions. If it were that simple, doctors who perform tests would only have to use 1 person but they don't. There's a lot more involved than a guy on the internet that said something worked and something else didn't. There's thousands of posts on IC to show how people came to different conclusions about different subjects.
Let's talk about what he stated in that thread over a long period of time:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=212473&do=filter&fid=75656:
October 27, 2011
'bout 5 years ago, I turned up with a little cancer.
The kind that radiation and chemo don't fix because it grows as slow as normal tissue.
The better news is, I can monitor it's approximate mass with a blood test.
Just started making my own Phoenix tears and am taking 120mg. twice a day.
My last test was promising.
Showed slower growth which means a longer "doubling rate", which means a longer survival.
That's all I need it to do, really, it gives me back a normal life expectancy.
(Something else will wear out before the big C can take me down).
Been keeping this on the "down-low" until I have some proof of remission.
(false hope is cruel, yah?)
So, in 6 months I should know if this dosage is effective for my situation.
Either way, bet that I'll document it on ICMag and a few other boards.
Stay tuned.
Aloha,
Weezard
His test was promising and he wasn't using Naptha as stated in the next post:
November 1, 2011:
His next post after 2011 is June 28, 2013:
He switched from Naptha to BHO from another source which means that it was most likely made from a different product. That may also have an affect. How does he know how it was made if he didn't make it? There are way too many variables to come to any conclusion if this is the thread that you are referring to.
Then here's some good news and a warning.
Not all oil is equal.
There may be issues with, not only what it's extracted from, but with the extraction method as well.
We have a Glioma patient that showed no growth for a full year.
A misfortune caused us to switch him from Naphtha/Ethanol derived oil to a Butane extraction based oil about 2 months ago.
The Astrocytoma began growing again.
At the time I was also treating a melanoma topically.
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I had to switch to locally purchased, Butane extracted, oil, part way through that treatment.
The Naphtha kine was drawing gobs of "stuff" up through the lesion.
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There were 5 or 6 "gobs" per day stuck to the band aid.
Some with 2mm. "roots"
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The BHO based treatment stopped drawing.
After a week, of that, a local hero rode to our rescue and donated a large supply of Naphtha base oil.
The melanoma dis-assembly resumed!
Have just sent some to our Glioma patient.
If it halts the progression, we may have learned something.
This proves nothing, but pragmatically, I'd recommend sticking to the known-to-work extraction method.
Room temperature Naphtha.
Aloha y'all
Weezard
Disclaimer:
I'm not a doctor. I have no "papers".
Heck I don't even wear shoes.
Just reporting my observations.
Make of them what you will.
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"Did you see Weezard's thread? he found that the butane extracted oil did not work, Only the naptha and alcohol extracts seemed to work?"
Hang on there!
I did not say that.
At least I hope I didn't.
I merely posted my observation of the oil's differing effects on visible lesions.
Then began tossing out thought as to why.
I did not mean to indict 'tane.
Or to leap to any early conclusions.
What I did intend is to get people to do some side by side comparisons to find our exactly why I observed what I did.
That's why I'm haunting this thread.
Mahalo Snype.
Lets get some real data going brother.
I turned down radiation and chemo, after surgery showed bad margins and perineural invasion.
Not out of nobility, or in the name of science, blah blah.
Quite simply, they are both ineffective for Prostate cancer.
Do more harm than good.
I'm only doing oil.
And monitoring the PSA level every six months.
And treating the odd skin lesion here and there with topical application.
That's how I happened to observe the lack of effectiveness of 2 separate batches of oil.
What they had in common was 'tane derivation and heavy de-carbing.
Proves nothing but, has me thinking in many directions.
Setting up a few experiments here just to see what I can see.
Then I'll be asking for help figuring out why I saw whatever I see.
Aloha,
Wee
Hang on there!
I did not say that.
At least I hope I didn't.
I merely posted my observation of the oil's differing effects on visible lesions.
Then began tossing out thought as to why.
I did not mean to indict 'tane.
Or to leap to any early conclusions.
What I did intend is to get people to do some side by side comparisons to find our exactly why I observed what I did.
That's why I'm haunting this thread.
Mahalo Snype.
Lets get some real data going brother.
I turned down radiation and chemo, after surgery showed bad margins and perineural invasion.
Not out of nobility, or in the name of science, blah blah.
Quite simply, they are both ineffective for Prostate cancer.
Do more harm than good.
I'm only doing oil.
And monitoring the PSA level every six months.
And treating the odd skin lesion here and there with topical application.
That's how I happened to observe the lack of effectiveness of 2 separate batches of oil.
What they had in common was 'tane derivation and heavy de-carbing.
Proves nothing but, has me thinking in many directions.
Setting up a few experiments here just to see what I can see.
Then I'll be asking for help figuring out why I saw whatever I see.
Aloha,
Wee
"He switched from Naptha to BHO from another source which means that it was most likely made from a different product. That may also have an affect. How does he know how it was made if he didn't make it? There are way too many variables to come to any conclusion if this is the thread that you are referring to. "
Ships that pass in the night.
Absolutely! I agree with all points.
And my earliest extraction were, of course, naphtha.
Then tried acetone, iso, and settled on ethanol.
Then, ran out of raw materials and had to buy oil locally
I know the local producer well.
And I had to beg oil for my patient on the mainland.
I have never made bho personally but I do trust Graywolf to do it right.
He documented his extrations on-line and is very good at it, yah?
That's why I was so puzzled when the holy anointing oil would not draw keratin from a lesion.
I'm just grabbin' at straws here.
What are your thoughts as to why?
Aloha,
Weeze
Ships that pass in the night.
Absolutely! I agree with all points.
And my earliest extraction were, of course, naphtha.
Then tried acetone, iso, and settled on ethanol.
Then, ran out of raw materials and had to buy oil locally
I know the local producer well.
And I had to beg oil for my patient on the mainland.
I have never made bho personally but I do trust Graywolf to do it right.
He documented his extrations on-line and is very good at it, yah?
That's why I was so puzzled when the holy anointing oil would not draw keratin from a lesion.
I'm just grabbin' at straws here.
What are your thoughts as to why?
Aloha,
Weeze
"He switched from Naptha to BHO from another source which means that it was most likely made from a different product. That may also have an affect. How does he know how it was made if he didn't make it? There are way too many variables to come to any conclusion if this is the thread that you are referring to. "
Ships that pass in the night.
Absolutely! I agree with all points.
And my earliest extraction were, of course, naphtha.
Then tried acetone, iso, and settled on ethanol.
Then, ran out of raw materials and had to buy oil locally
I know the local producer well.
And I had to beg oil for my patient on the mainland.
I have never made bho personally but I do trust Graywolf to do it right.
He documented his extrations on-line and is very good at it, yah?
That's why I was so puzzled when the holy anointing oil would not draw keratin from a lesion.
I'm just grabbin' at straws here.
What are your thoughts as to why?
Aloha,
Weeze
Thank you for your statements! It's all about getting to the truth. If we all work together, we will find our answer. I have no idea why GW's solution didn't work for your patient or you. Maybe he gets donated material and it changes all the time but I don't know. The strain and genetics may play a big role in this too. There are so many variables involved in this. In time we will all figure it out together.
Weezard, which extraction method did you observe to be the most effective? Are the skin lesions from the cancer you're treating?
Edit: just saw your last reply. Did you do a quick wash with ethanol or a longer extraction? I've done both before for non-medical reasons. The longer extractions seem like they get more of the cannabinoids, but they also get more chlorophyll and bad tasting components. Have you tried high doses of a longer duration ethanol extraction? I haven't seen any downside to longer alcohol washes except the taste, but I've never had to take large daily doses.
Edit: just saw your last reply. Did you do a quick wash with ethanol or a longer extraction? I've done both before for non-medical reasons. The longer extractions seem like they get more of the cannabinoids, but they also get more chlorophyll and bad tasting components. Have you tried high doses of a longer duration ethanol extraction? I haven't seen any downside to longer alcohol washes except the taste, but I've never had to take large daily doses.
Let me elaborate on what this thread is all about. This thread is not the documentation of one subject. This thread will take years and document many individuals. I am now in a Med State and have access to many more patients. Life has changed and so have my interests and I can't wait to see where this road leads to!
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I too have heard anecdotal evidence of N-butane extractions being inferior to Naphtha for making cancer medicine. Lets start by taking a look at each solvent and examining the well known differences ...
Naphtha MSDS
N butane MSDS
N-Butane MSDS #2
Naptha is most certainly a more complex solvent as the other components that are naturally occurring in the makeup are quite different, even dangerous. These other components are also quite variable when it comes down to the original oil used to distill the naphtha. Not all oil is the same and varies greatly thus the distillates are also included. Naphtha is certainly a more dangerous substance to be applying to the body vs Butane. Naphtha can be absorbed through the skin. Maybe its something in the residual distillates that is a catalyst? Lots of things to consider. We first need some hard data, as we are still basing things from anecdotal evidence. Anyhow super interesting topic. I have lost quite a few family members to this disease. In fact more than 7 and its said to "run in the family". So much that all of my grandparents have died from cancer on both sides. 2 cousins surviving cancer now, one with thyroid cancer now without half of his thyroid, it is still spreading throughout the body, but slowly. I have done my research on overcoming, stopping, and recovering from cancer. If it ever surfaces with me, you can cancel christmas on chemo or even conventional medicine, period. Every time Ive seen doctors handle it they kill the people taking treatment and or greatly reduce the patients ability to fight the infection. Removing sugars from the diet is one of the first things you need to be telling your patients. If you are making lolipops use alternative sugars like stevia possibly xylitol (it tastes the best) but is extracted by chemical process from tree bark, and is a laxative if you eat too much. Not my first choice but its not fuel for the cancer. Also the Gerson Miracle a documentry about the diet named after the doctor who came up with this therapy diet, shows promising results and has some science data behind it. You can watch the movie on youtube here : The Gerson Miracle Ill see about finding the documentary minus the ads. I have it saved somewhere but its late and Im tired. I have so much more to share but lack the energy. I shall return, rejuvenated and ready to share.
With Love and Healing Light,
FE
Naphtha MSDS
N butane MSDS
N-Butane MSDS #2
Naptha is most certainly a more complex solvent as the other components that are naturally occurring in the makeup are quite different, even dangerous. These other components are also quite variable when it comes down to the original oil used to distill the naphtha. Not all oil is the same and varies greatly thus the distillates are also included. Naphtha is certainly a more dangerous substance to be applying to the body vs Butane. Naphtha can be absorbed through the skin. Maybe its something in the residual distillates that is a catalyst? Lots of things to consider. We first need some hard data, as we are still basing things from anecdotal evidence. Anyhow super interesting topic. I have lost quite a few family members to this disease. In fact more than 7 and its said to "run in the family". So much that all of my grandparents have died from cancer on both sides. 2 cousins surviving cancer now, one with thyroid cancer now without half of his thyroid, it is still spreading throughout the body, but slowly. I have done my research on overcoming, stopping, and recovering from cancer. If it ever surfaces with me, you can cancel christmas on chemo or even conventional medicine, period. Every time Ive seen doctors handle it they kill the people taking treatment and or greatly reduce the patients ability to fight the infection. Removing sugars from the diet is one of the first things you need to be telling your patients. If you are making lolipops use alternative sugars like stevia possibly xylitol (it tastes the best) but is extracted by chemical process from tree bark, and is a laxative if you eat too much. Not my first choice but its not fuel for the cancer. Also the Gerson Miracle a documentry about the diet named after the doctor who came up with this therapy diet, shows promising results and has some science data behind it. You can watch the movie on youtube here : The Gerson Miracle Ill see about finding the documentary minus the ads. I have it saved somewhere but its late and Im tired. I have so much more to share but lack the energy. I shall return, rejuvenated and ready to share.
With Love and Healing Light,
FE
Cannfucious
Member
Very interesting thread, thanks for all who posted so far. 
Godspeed to anyone battling the dreaded C out there.
Godspeed to anyone battling the dreaded C out there.
I lost touch with this friend after I gave him the Hash Oil. I just talked to a good friend and asked him how the guy was doing. He said that his tumors shrunk and then they grew back. I reminded him about the Hash Oil that I gave him. He was like Oh Yeah, I remember now. I asked him why it was so hard for me to try and get in touch with him and he stated that maybe I had the wrong phone number. They don't know why the tumors shrunk but it was at the same time that he had the Hash Oil. I'll have to think of how I'm going to proceed with this thread. There's something to this Hash Oil. My father may be dying of cancer. He is 1500 miles away from me. My goal is to fly down there with a few ounces of my oil and hope that it works. I'll be in touch.
I smoked my last cigarette on Tuesday February 18, 2014.
I smoked my last cigarette on Tuesday February 18, 2014.
I send you Good Vibes and Strength to beat the tobacco addiction bruz cause it's a mutherfracker hard one to beat(I found heroin and methadone to be real hard to give up, but I beat those bastards), I gave up for 3 1/2mths last year then got real stressed around chrissy time and picked up a pouch of tobacco and here I am 3mths later still puffing away on the stinky bastards. One bit of advice I can give is drink plenty of water, ride a mountain bike and don't give up on giving up :friends:
Great thread .
Though I certainly dont have evidence or hard data .. I thought I would share my experience ..treating a patient who had a large golf ball size brain tumor protruding from her ear .. With butane extracted oils taken orally as per Rick Simpsons suggested dosing of 60 grams in 60 days . Patient had already undergone radiation & doctors had given her a month to live when she started taking the bho . She was determined to get up to the aggressive dosage of a gram per day very quickly and tolerated it rather well . Family began reporting significant improvement in quality of life within the first week . In a months time doctors had confirmed her tumor was quickly shrinking . By the time she completed the 60 grams it was almost entirely gone . I supplied another 30 grams , as she wished to continue taking the oil .. At a lower dose . She finished all the oil & decided to discontinue the treatment and was doing very well ..even working some . Then the tumor came back with very painful Migraines . The doctors prescribed some heavy opiate painkillers and she died some weeks later
Though I certainly dont have evidence or hard data .. I thought I would share my experience ..treating a patient who had a large golf ball size brain tumor protruding from her ear .. With butane extracted oils taken orally as per Rick Simpsons suggested dosing of 60 grams in 60 days . Patient had already undergone radiation & doctors had given her a month to live when she started taking the bho . She was determined to get up to the aggressive dosage of a gram per day very quickly and tolerated it rather well . Family began reporting significant improvement in quality of life within the first week . In a months time doctors had confirmed her tumor was quickly shrinking . By the time she completed the 60 grams it was almost entirely gone . I supplied another 30 grams , as she wished to continue taking the oil .. At a lower dose . She finished all the oil & decided to discontinue the treatment and was doing very well ..even working some . Then the tumor came back with very painful Migraines . The doctors prescribed some heavy opiate painkillers and she died some weeks later
Thanks for the information! Sorry to hear that she didn't make it. Maybe she would have been fine if she continued to take the oil after the tumor went away. My Hash Oil right now is god. It's only going to cancer patients from now on. It's very hard to get these people to take this seriously. I wish I can find the right person to take this seriously.
I'm adding Hash Oil to my diet everyday. I'm thinking 5% of a gram every day as a preventative. I think my father is dying. I'm not sure if he will consider taking the oil. He was supposed to call me today to tell me what the doctor said. I don't think he will call considering how bad the news probably is. Most people die within a few months after being diagnosed with pancreas cancer. I feel it's best to leave him alone for a few days and digest the news before I start blowing up his phone. It sucks too because I have the biggest harvest that I've ever had to take down. It's supposed to be great times right now.
best wishes to all.....I hope to give it a try after this years crop..due to getting fucked over my stash is low,motherplants gone...but I am getting back at it slowly....supermanlives
you should get your patients to check in once a week, letting you know how it's going, it's the least they can do as you are giving them the meds and need the information to study it. i think i'd make that a condition when possible. just a skype chat once a week to show how the treatment is progressing. specially things like skin cancer would be interesting to see as the treatment proceeds. such info could be valuable as more and more is collected with pics and regular updates.
the thing about the naphta oil possibly being more effective then butane extracted oil is kinda blowing my mind, only thing i can imagine is the 'tane is more selective in whats extracted. for medicinal use it might turn out having chlorophyll and everything else you extract doing it the old fashioned way, could be increasing the efficacy of the oil.
the thing about the naphta oil possibly being more effective then butane extracted oil is kinda blowing my mind, only thing i can imagine is the 'tane is more selective in whats extracted. for medicinal use it might turn out having chlorophyll and everything else you extract doing it the old fashioned way, could be increasing the efficacy of the oil.
I'm still confused on the Naphta as well. Too bad there's not more information.
