First grow, want to grow in coco.

[RetroGrow]

Of course, papadoc is going to contradict whatever I say, because that's who he is.

Obsequious troll, who lies, twists words and is more about arguing then helping a newbie. I tried to give you the simplest, most foolproof way to germ seeds and then transfer to seed starter mix, then to coco, but of course, you can skip the seed starter mix and go straight to coco. It just takes longer that way, and you don't get the benefits of micorrizae or quick starting seedlings, and the possibility of the seeds using up all their energy trying to push upwards, and then not being able to get out of their shells. If you have a humidity dome, use it, and keep the seedlings misted. Do NOT use a toothpick as he suggested. Use a dental pick if you want to pry open the shells. Your eyes are probably better than mine, but I would recommend doing this with a magnifier only, like the one I linked. I don't post anything that I haven't tried, and have found to work.
The paper towel method is tried, true, and foolproof, which is why I posted it in the beginning of this thread. Hopefully, your seedlings will be all right. If not, start over in paper towels, and throw those plugs away. When the seedlings have at least a one inch tail, put them in your medium of choice, but do NOT bury the shell/seed, just the root. That way they use their limited energy opening, not pushing upwards. Again, keep the shells misted.
This is by FAR the best seed starter mix, regardless of what papadoc says, and they do ship to the U.K. Foolproof, no guesswork, and transplants perfectly to coco.
http://www.amazon.com/FoxFarm-FX14023-1-Cubic-Warrior-Soilless/dp/B001IA1PGY

Also sold here, they ship to U.K, but not sure how much it costs:
http://www.horticulturesource.com/product_info.php?products_id=18280
If that is too expensive, just start in paper towels and into the coco when root is an inch long at least. Don't touch roots with your fingers. Use a spoon, poke a hole in the coco with a pencil or such, and drop the root in the hole, with seed on top, not buried.

 

[Jnugg]

If you do the paper towel method,transplant once the taproot is 1/4" to 1/2",no longer.


Retro,you're trolling to bro.You could easily just ignore papaduc,but no,you feel you have to keep explaining yourself and your method,which the OP has heard from you time and time again.

Stop fishin' for rep and just let it be.

There is no need to transplant to seed starter mix.

 

[papaduc]

Retro,you're trolling to bro.You could easily just ignore papaduc,but no

There is no need to transplant to seed starter mix

+1

If the fella wants to start in paper towels, he will. It's just another method. I didn't even disagree with it.

There is no need to get a 10-20kg bag of foxfarms starter mix shipped in from the United States.

Sphagnum moss, worm casts and mycorrhizal fungi are readily available anywhere in the UK. This is not a third world country ffs. There are a lot of expert gardeners on these shores and there are 5* rated seedling composts available everywhere.

Again, it's not something I'm even arguing against if the fella decides to do it, it's just an unnecessary inconvenience when he already has coco, which is the perfect medium in which to start seedlings.

Seedling mixes even incorporate coco because of it's spongy and fibrous texture. That's why foxfarms uses sphagnum moss.

The reason they don't use just coco is because it's inert. They will add something of nutritional value so you don't have to feed the seedlings til they're established.

This is not a problem for people who grow cannabis in coco because we learn to use things like PH&EC pens and chemical feeds, and so we grasp a basic knowledge of feeding right from the get go. We learn what is a good feed for seedlings and only if we are unable to do that do we have to use the starter mix to bail us out.

Anyone whose results in coco are that bad that they'd advise someone to get a bag of starter mix shipped across the Atlantic, is in no position to be giving advice in the coco forum.

A better investment would be a bottle of this for your seedlings : Formulex

Feed that at 0.6-0.8 on top of your tap water and I guarantee you'll have healthy plants from the word go. I have some seedlings upstairs now. I'll go and show you them.

 

[DrBagseed]

One bag would cost me over 100$ for the starter soil :/ ( im close to the uk)starting them in coco seemed to work fine, I was just paranoid when I didnt see any growth, all the plants are now above the ground and starting to make the first set of real leafs.

BUT something crazyy happened.
One of the Black Cream seeds made TWO plants from one seed!? I've never heard of this before but ive put them in seperate pots now to see if they survive (I was semi-brutal because I thought it was something else), they are far behind the other plants. I took pictures of it because it's something I haven't heard about or seen before. Have any of you guys have this happen to you? I can upload pictures if anyone wants to see

 

[Jnugg]

Please upload the pics DrBagseed.

 

[DrBagseed]

Im uploading the pictures after im done with food, they are pretty bad (bad iphone camera) but you can see that there are two sprouts growing along eachother, almost so close theres only one gap, im having my doubts about the smallest one making it but the bigger one is definately gonna make it.

Im almost embarrased to post the pictures, they are so bad. But.. here they are, you can nearly see that there are two sets of leaves where the arrow is pointed at the gap. The biggest sprout was almost like a mother for the smaller one, extremely hard to see in the picture but yeah..

 

[papaduc]

Any pictures of the other ones?

 

[DrBagseed]

Any pictures of the other ones?

I'll take some but I might not get a chance to upload before tomorrow, all the others are doing completely fine and looks as you would expect, theres just some black magic going on with that ''one''

 

[papaduc]

It's all good. If they both survive it's a bonus.

 

[RetroGrow]

If you do the paper towel method,transplant once the taproot is 1/4" to 1/2",no longer.

Wrong! It can be much longer.

Stop fishin' for rep and just let it be.

That's funny! Fishin' for rep? I don't need rep. I have 8 years worth, and forgot about it long ago.

 

[RetroGrow]

Anyone whose results in coco are that bad that they'd advise someone to get a bag of starter mix shipped across the Atlantic, is in no position to be giving advice in the coco forum.

Blah, blah, blah. Broken troll record. Same crap posted over & over & over in multiple threads.
Your attempts at insulting me are laughable. You are the contentious troll.

 

[RetroGrow]

One bag would cost me over 100$ for the starter soil :/ ( im close to the uk)starting them in coco seemed to work fine, I was just paranoid when I didnt see any growth, all the plants are now above the ground and starting to make the first set of real leafs.

BUT something crazyy happened.
One of the Black Cream seeds made TWO plants from one seed!? I've never heard of this before but ive put them in seperate pots now to see if they survive (I was semi-brutal because I thought it was something else), they are far behind the other plants. I took pictures of it because it's something I haven't heard about or seen before. Have any of you guys have this happen to you? I can upload pictures if anyone wants to see

Starting in coco is fine. Sounded like you were stuck, hence the alternative suggestion.
Yes, I have seen twin plants before from one seed. Unusual, but it happens. Those are cotyledons, by the way, not leaves. They are food for the leaves.....

 

[papaduc]

What lights are they under DB?

 

[Jnugg]

Wrong! It can be much longer.





That's funny! Fishin' for rep? I don't need rep. I have 8 years worth, and forgot about it long ago.

You really are a troll aren't you retro.

 

[DrBagseed]

Starting in coco is fine. Sounded like you were stuck, hence the alternative suggestion.
Yes, I have seen twin plants before from one seed. Unusual, but it happens. Those are cotyledons, by the way, not leaves. They are food for the leaves.....

Yeah you are right, I thought the cotyledons was the white stuff you sometimes find inside a seed. the twins are now making their first set of real leaves but they are damn slow. (or im really impatient, but I feel like the others was quicker at this stage.)

What lights are they under DB?

I had them besides an aquarium with a grow-lux UV lamp + a 7,5w led light almost directly above the plants because it dosn't produce heat. They were a bit strechy so I put the coco plugs in solo cups today so I could bury the stems leaving them with maybe 1-1,5CM stem above ground, I put them under a 400w hps a few hours ago

 

[DrBagseed]

Heres how the plants look after putting them in small cups, is the curvy leaves a bad sign?

After these pics I put them under a 400w hps.

 

[papaduc]

There you go mate. They look fine. Bendy leaves is normal at this stage. They're just opening up to the world.

The white stuff you sometimes find in seeds is the cotyledon. It's basically just white mushy stuff because the seedling hasn't survived

Anyway, you're rolling now fella and no doubt you'll see that feeding from the go in coco is a piece of piss.

Just do one thing now and go and check the ec & ph of your tap water and let me know what it is.

 

[stoned40yrs]

IMO too early to BLAST them 400w hps unless the light is like 3-4 feet above them. Might cook them.

 

[DrBagseed]

There you go mate. They look fine. Bendy leaves is normal at this stage. They're just opening up to the world.

The white stuff you sometimes find in seeds is the cotyledon. It's basically just white mushy stuff because the seedling hasn't survived

Anyway, you're rolling now fella and no doubt you'll see that feeding from the go in coco is a piece of piss.

Just do one thing now and go and check the ec & ph of your tap water and let me know what it is.

Phew, thats what I was hoping to hear.
Im glad you think everything looks okay.

I havent gotten my meters yet bro, but I will keep you updated when they arrive. I have been feeding them a weak solution of rhizotonic at roughly 6 pH measured with pH drops.
Last time I checked the pH of my tap water it was above 8 according to the drops.

IMO too early to BLAST them 400w hps unless the light is like 3-4 feet above them. Might cook them.

I guess i'll go take it a bit higher then just to be on the safe side, its at around 2 feet distance maximum now.

But if the temps stay decent there shouldn't be a problem with the lamp being pretty close, or?

 

[papaduc]

No it won't be a problem. Just make sure you have the fan pointed at the bulb, not the seedlings. When you next water, just put in 1 ml each per liter of canna A&B with your rhizotonic. When you get your pen you can be more exact.