Getting frustrated... Experienced growers what do you think?

[DrPimpNugs]

I have been experience this deficiency on and off for weeks now. Two plants of different strains in same medium and regiment.

one looks like this







I thought originally calcium deficiency but I gave a dose of FF grow big and a foliar of calmag + and a light feeding of 1/2 strength cal mag the next day and still have had these issues. Should I give a full strength of calmag? Is it another nute deficiency? is it burning? should I give a massive feeding of calmag and FF grow big?

Using FF happy frog potting soil w/ grow stones and 2 gallon pots.

Thanks. Oh yeah the other plant in the same mixture is doing alot better, though has slightly similar expressions on its leaves.

 

[browntrout]

Check container size, I transplanted a little to early with some seedlings, the soil stayed moist so long it created this effect. Time will sort it out. I'd suggest feeding with minimal water and making sure the soil dries out quite a bit.

 

[DrPimpNugs]

It has been going on since they were root bound in solo cups. The soil is extremely airy with the grow stones and happy frog. Any other ideas? I will try to let them dry out more.

 

[Blue Socks]

If you don't have some of this

Get some ASAP....


Get a bottle of DISTILLED or RO water from the store, water your plants and test the run off with your kit.

If the runoff is really red in color your soil is too acidic and you'll need to add some lime to the soil and also some pH up to your next couple of waterings.

My guess is your pH is too low, which is a common problem I've had when using FF soils for some reason. Even the HF was hot, and I was having that leaf spotting you're having. I adjusted the pH and that took care of it for the most part.

That and I started using ACT and pretty soon my problems disappeared.

If you're not familiar with ACT I would highly recommend looking into it as well as getting the ph test kit, it's very easy to make and provides many benefits the least of which is helping to stabilize soil pH.

Good luck!

 

[browntrout]

Seems like the new growth is quite healthy, I am no master of indoor growing but a balanced PH like blue socks said always helps. You won't see changes in a day after feeding, usually the leaves that are affected will wither and die at some point, but new growth will show tell tale signs of how the plant is doing.

Let us know what works for you.

 

[bigshrimp]

Dont use gh ph up and down if you are trying to do organic soil.

Good organic alternatives are citric acid (healthfood store, brew supply) and protekt.

 

[DrPimpNugs]

If you don't have some of this

View Image

Get some ASAP....


Get a bottle of DISTILLED or RO water from the store, water your plants and test the run off with your kit.

If the runoff is really red in color your soil is too acidic and you'll need to add some lime to the soil and also some pH up to your next couple of waterings.

My guess is your pH is too low, which is a common problem I've had when using FF soils for some reason. Even the HF was hot, and I was having that leaf spotting you're having. I adjusted the pH and that took care of it for the most part.

That and I started using ACT and pretty soon my problems disappeared.

If you're not familiar with ACT I would highly recommend looking into it as well as getting the ph test kit, it's very easy to make and provides many benefits the least of which is helping to stabilize soil pH.

Good luck!

I have PH strips, I will test the run off tonight. I was unaware of testing run off as a method, I never had to do it before! This fucking fox farm soil has already pissed me off to no end. I am sorely unhappy with the product. Ive used acidic mediums before and I haven't had these problems, even with the same damn water and similar nutrients. they clearly are not putting enough dolimitic lime into the happy frog.

this is bullshit because the main reason I chose soil was not to have to deal with the headache of PH problems and properly regulated symbiotic beneficial culture int he medium should be regulating PH so something else is funked to the max.

I'll check out the ACT. also might I add that the other plant in the same medium has had much less of these issues, if ph was the culprit wouldnt both be more affected? thanks in advance!



Brown trout I agree its been coming in waves oddly, and new growth at times seems great but has also been affected a bit. After I test this PH I just am going to feed heavy and if i burn well atleast Ill know its not deficient LOL!

 

[DrPimpNugs]

Seems like the new growth is quite healthy, I am no master of indoor growing but a balanced PH like blue socks said always helps. You won't see changes in a day after feeding, usually the leaves that are affected will wither and die at some point, but new growth will show tell tale signs of how the plant is doing.

Let us know what works for you.

it was PH issues because when I tested the run off found out the happy frog was too acidic, and making my distilled water(7.0) run to like 6.8 or under. now my run off is like a 7.2 and im using tap water that is at like a 7.4

plants are looking healthy, too bad it turned out to be a male! atleast it was a learning experience!

 

[papaduc]

I tested the run off found out the happy frog was too acidic, and making my distilled water(7.0) run to like 6.8

Those run off figures mean your soil was not too acidic.

The leaves in the first pic look like they just had a dry period at some point, which causes minor root damage which is reflected in those marks on the foliage.

 

[BredForMeds]

just remember.. u wont see a change on damage leaves.. allways look at the new shoots for rebounding.. honestly doesn't look bad at all.. I would transplant to a bigger container. give 1/2 strength nutes.. just make sure your not watering until its pretty dry..

 

[DrPimpNugs]

just remember.. u wont see a change on damage leaves.. allways look at the new shoots for rebounding.. honestly doesn't look bad at all.. I would transplant to a bigger container. give 1/2 strength nutes.. just make sure your not watering until its pretty dry..

Those run off figures mean your soil was not too acidic.

The leaves in the first pic look like they just had a dry period at some point, which causes minor root damage which is reflected in those marks on the foliage.

Well take into consideration that I am using test strips for fish tanks so they aren't too accurate and you can only go really by increments of .2 or .4 on the strip. When I fed with tapwater, both plants stabilized, all necrosis stopped, and growth has exploded in both plants that received the more basic tap water as opposed to the distilled. To me that indicates either the ph or mag or zinc trace minerals in the tap water has helped with this lockout.

The plants look good also because I have been ferociously trimming them back of dead leaves and only left the greens. I had a grocery bag full of burned up ones.

There definitely wasn't a DRY point however there was a HOT point as the plants had been sitting in the sun on a window sill for hours on end. This may have cooked the roots. Also may have had some gnats early on, but I only saw 1-2 and roots looked fine every transplant. I'll let you guys know if anything changes. +K