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Coco is killing me!
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My first run with coco i used 5x5 pots.Was in a cab.They got huge.I had also used promix before the coco in the same pots so i (thought)i had it down pat on how long to veg and how big to let them get.Coco proved me wrong.Ended up the same way as you....lotta roots for size container with much bigger plants.
The coco looks dry in them pics bro.....keep it wet...especially with plant of that size in smaller containers.I went through a period where i was letting my coco go through the wet/some what dry cycles and i noticed a difference in the end product.Once those roots get established like ya got'em keep it wet.
Are those under vert lighting?
The coco looks dry in them pics bro.....keep it wet...especially with plant of that size in smaller containers.I went through a period where i was letting my coco go through the wet/some what dry cycles and i noticed a difference in the end product.Once those roots get established like ya got'em keep it wet.
Are those under vert lighting?
It was dry at the time of those photos (was gone for two days due to family issues).
No not under vert lighting...doing the horizontal veg,flip to vert once switching to 12/12 (which I have not yet).
All plants were transplanted from 2liter coco hempy's to 3 gallon coco hempy's using 3 gallon kittt litter buckets.
No not under vert lighting...doing the horizontal veg,flip to vert once switching to 12/12 (which I have not yet).
All plants were transplanted from 2liter coco hempy's to 3 gallon coco hempy's using 3 gallon kittt litter buckets.
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DHF
Both 2 ltr pics were showin plainly overfed symptoms with potential imbalances/lockouts right around the corner , and what happened ?....
Well we know now , but smaller containers IF the mix is aerated enough and NOT coffee grounds mushy shit , MUST be fed multiple times daily to refresh O2 in the rootzones as well as keep residual salt buildup from occurring....
The trick with coco is as "aerated" a mix as possible while keeping the medium "moist" constantly , not wet and bogged down , but constantly moist AND aerated....
That way the rootmass in the rootzone can explode accordingly and transmit the energy to the foliage above all the way through end of stretch when no more roots are built , cuz after all.....
Roots make shoots....and....I`ve seen huge plants grown in smaller containers of coco but they were timed fed plants with loopfield manifolds , and fed up to 6 times daily and kept "moist".....
Don`t EVER let anyone tell you coco can`t be overwatered cuz I`ve seen it 100`s of times over the yrs , and the consistency and proper aeration of said medium is paramount in importance for proper rootmass explosion and nutrient uptake......now Nuggbro.....
In my opinion your plants weren`t kept fed/watered enough and residual salt buildup occurred early on , and it`s only gotten worse , so as we talked in pm about , ph down to 5-ish with 1/2 strength juice and see what runoff ph and ppms are.....but....
A slurry test is the ONLY way ta know what`s goin on in the "core" of your rootzone since the juice yas run through em`s bein mixed with what `s inherent and stored already in the rootmass , and can only be a "guesstimation" at best but it`s better than nothing without a meter.....
You`ll read that coco`s aight on up and over 6 up to 6.3 , but everytime my runoff ph and ppms were checked weekly and were 600/1.2 and over 6 , they were beginning to show deficiency signs , so I started mixin my shit lower down in the 5.3-5`s , and by the time I got back a week later shit was right at 5.9-6-ish and happy happy happy.....
Coco is a "SOILLESS" medium with "hydro-like" results once dialed , and NOT a hydro "inert" medium , and that`s where the CEC/Cation Exchange Capacity comes into play where residual salt buildup can fuck up your world.....
PH 5.5-6.0 to allow macro`s and micro`s along with all other ingredients to be absorbed properly , and DON`T let the medium dry out...EVER...Keep it "moist' constantly with however many feeds your size container requires.....and....
PPM`s/EC never over 750/1.5 , and shit begins to get easier and easier as you go.....aight....
Time to go fuck with the bulldawgs and feed the hawgs.....
Peace....DHF.....
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Well we know now , but smaller containers IF the mix is aerated enough and NOT coffee grounds mushy shit , MUST be fed multiple times daily to refresh O2 in the rootzones as well as keep residual salt buildup from occurring....
The trick with coco is as "aerated" a mix as possible while keeping the medium "moist" constantly , not wet and bogged down , but constantly moist AND aerated....
That way the rootmass in the rootzone can explode accordingly and transmit the energy to the foliage above all the way through end of stretch when no more roots are built , cuz after all.....
Roots make shoots....and....I`ve seen huge plants grown in smaller containers of coco but they were timed fed plants with loopfield manifolds , and fed up to 6 times daily and kept "moist".....
Don`t EVER let anyone tell you coco can`t be overwatered cuz I`ve seen it 100`s of times over the yrs , and the consistency and proper aeration of said medium is paramount in importance for proper rootmass explosion and nutrient uptake......now Nuggbro.....
In my opinion your plants weren`t kept fed/watered enough and residual salt buildup occurred early on , and it`s only gotten worse , so as we talked in pm about , ph down to 5-ish with 1/2 strength juice and see what runoff ph and ppms are.....but....
A slurry test is the ONLY way ta know what`s goin on in the "core" of your rootzone since the juice yas run through em`s bein mixed with what `s inherent and stored already in the rootmass , and can only be a "guesstimation" at best but it`s better than nothing without a meter.....
You`ll read that coco`s aight on up and over 6 up to 6.3 , but everytime my runoff ph and ppms were checked weekly and were 600/1.2 and over 6 , they were beginning to show deficiency signs , so I started mixin my shit lower down in the 5.3-5`s , and by the time I got back a week later shit was right at 5.9-6-ish and happy happy happy.....
Coco is a "SOILLESS" medium with "hydro-like" results once dialed , and NOT a hydro "inert" medium , and that`s where the CEC/Cation Exchange Capacity comes into play where residual salt buildup can fuck up your world.....
PH 5.5-6.0 to allow macro`s and micro`s along with all other ingredients to be absorbed properly , and DON`T let the medium dry out...EVER...Keep it "moist' constantly with however many feeds your size container requires.....and....
PPM`s/EC never over 750/1.5 , and shit begins to get easier and easier as you go.....aight....
Time to go fuck with the bulldawgs and feed the hawgs.....
Peace....DHF.....
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Pots too tall. bigger diameter to height ratio.
And everything DHF said.
And everything DHF said.
Hey there Jnugg sorry to see that your having such a rough go at Coco. Once you get it figured out you will love it. I have used all different kinds of coco always in blocks or bricks, no sense buying a bag of prepared when you get twice as much from a block for the same price or cheaper but thats me. I always prep it the same way, I soak it in warm tap water and let it sit for at least 30 minutes to loosen up clumps and give the salts and sand a chance to sink and dissolve, then I squeeze out the water (people that have helped me have said I am insane for doing it that way only cause it feels like a bad case of arthritis after your done) then I add my perlite then charge it with ph'd water and cal/mag at 6ml/gal
I threw away all my PH pens cause it seemed like I was going threw more pens than getting accurate reading from them, since then I switched to drops and found that they are pretty good to me. Also I use dynagro Pro-Tek potassium silicate, mostly because it acts as a ph up and I have only seen from my experience that the Pro-Tek is the only silicate that I have used that acts as a PH up. The only other thing I put in my coco is cal/mag besides the maxibloom at between 6-7 grams/gal. I have used the rezipie-heads formula with outstanding results in the past, I just found it easier for me to use one fert instead of 2 bottles to make the same thing, but again thats just me. hope some of this helps you man. have some patients cause once you get it dialed your going to love it thats a promise
I threw away all my PH pens cause it seemed like I was going threw more pens than getting accurate reading from them, since then I switched to drops and found that they are pretty good to me. Also I use dynagro Pro-Tek potassium silicate, mostly because it acts as a ph up and I have only seen from my experience that the Pro-Tek is the only silicate that I have used that acts as a PH up. The only other thing I put in my coco is cal/mag besides the maxibloom at between 6-7 grams/gal. I have used the rezipie-heads formula with outstanding results in the past, I just found it easier for me to use one fert instead of 2 bottles to make the same thing, but again thats just me. hope some of this helps you man. have some patients cause once you get it dialed your going to love it thats a promise
What ratio is appropriate?
And....I just got off the phone with my hydro shop.
The pepsi challenge they do...they give you 1 to 2 gallons of Canna Coco (the pre rinsed,pre buffered,pre charged with Cal/Mag stuff) and a 4oz each bottle of Canna's Coco A and Coco B,for free as a trial because they trust and approve it so much.They even said if I need a little more (Coco or A and B) that they'll help and hook it up!
So I'll be watering the mother plant that's in FFOF with straight lucas (8ml Floramicro/16ml Flora bloom per gallon of water) soon,run up to the shop and get my free trial of the Canna Coco and Coco A and B,some extra rapid rooter plugs,and taking cuts tonight.
Once rooted,I'll place them in solo cups of Canna Coco and feed with the Coco A and B and see where things go (hopefully for the better),but I'll also have a few extra cuts to put in any leftover FFOF I may have laying around somewhere.
pH of all nute solution going in between 5.5 and 6.0 which according to the shop owner is that dirty piss yellow color on the GH pH drops test kit.
Fred...what ya think buddy?
The pepsi challenge they do...they give you 1 to 2 gallons of Canna Coco (the pre rinsed,pre buffered,pre charged with Cal/Mag stuff) and a 4oz each bottle of Canna's Coco A and Coco B,for free as a trial because they trust and approve it so much.They even said if I need a little more (Coco or A and B) that they'll help and hook it up!
So I'll be watering the mother plant that's in FFOF with straight lucas (8ml Floramicro/16ml Flora bloom per gallon of water) soon,run up to the shop and get my free trial of the Canna Coco and Coco A and B,some extra rapid rooter plugs,and taking cuts tonight.
Once rooted,I'll place them in solo cups of Canna Coco and feed with the Coco A and B and see where things go (hopefully for the better),but I'll also have a few extra cuts to put in any leftover FFOF I may have laying around somewhere.
pH of all nute solution going in between 5.5 and 6.0 which according to the shop owner is that dirty piss yellow color on the GH pH drops test kit.
Fred...what ya think buddy?
D
DHF
Sounds like a plan , Stan....Saw your question in the other thread , and since yas`re gonna use Canna , I say go with no perlite , as LONG as the coco has a stringy fibrous consistency and doesn`t absorb water so easily....
I`ve heard that some Canna can be a smaller fine consistency , maybe toward the bottoms of the bags , dunno but IF it`s fine and powdery by all means add perlite for increased aeration while also preventing compaction and waterlogging , although.....
You are gonna run Hempy style and it`s hard to overwater this style setup , and make sure the perlite for the sub rez has been washed thoroughly of all dust to prevent it from turning into a solid chunk that won`t hold any residual juice for insurance , but rather wash all juice straight out the drainhole.....anyways....
Git `er dun.....Freds....
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Glad to see Jnugg stick it out! After I boil my coco and dry it, I sift
out the fine stuff. Keeps the medium from compacting.
I switched to coco a couple years ago, but I'm non commercial
so my learning curve only effected me.
Good thread, lots of info.
2Legal, I'll get that ratio posted, seems the soil guys
do well with the tall skinny pots while the coco guys
use a more squat pot.
Squat pot. hmm.
out the fine stuff. Keeps the medium from compacting.
I switched to coco a couple years ago, but I'm non commercial
so my learning curve only effected me.
Good thread, lots of info.
2Legal, I'll get that ratio posted, seems the soil guys
do well with the tall skinny pots while the coco guys
use a more squat pot.
Squat pot. hmm.
lol 'Squat Pot' ..... low head space growing?
i dunno how it's working out for coco, i'm still new and haven't experimented.
but in general, taller pots = taller plants especially sativas. short pots = shorter plants. specially indica.
has to do with the way the roots spread. sativa's send the taproot deep to support a really tall plant. indica's send their roots out more to the side to support a bushy plants.
as above
so below.
but in general, taller pots = taller plants especially sativas. short pots = shorter plants. specially indica.
has to do with the way the roots spread. sativa's send the taproot deep to support a really tall plant. indica's send their roots out more to the side to support a bushy plants.
as above
so below.
More BS.
I have grown 4ft plants in < 10" tall 1 liter APs.
I also have a tall plant in a one liter AP, but cannot locate
Plant is one liter AP just as tall
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I have grown 4ft plants in < 10" tall 1 liter APs.
I also have a tall plant in a one liter AP, but cannot locate
Plant is one liter AP just as tall
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Your attachment doesn't work,post the pic to your gallery here at icmag and then copy paste the bbcode for it in this thread.
What is bs?
Most are aware that you can pull off huge plants in small containers with coco.What alot are not aware of is how to feed and water correctly in that situation.
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