First Timer: 12 Light Coco Multi-feed

[Treetroit City]

lol @ 3rd what would you put in the bottom of a hempy bucket ??? & yeah i know you've never used one , but i'm sure you know what they are & how they work . just curious as to what you'd use ?

Hempy? Sure, I'd use perlite.

Mixing with coco? I don't need to.

Much love to dabs and ovo...

 

[DHF]

The bad thing about usin perlite in the bottoms of Hempy buckets is that if it`s not coarse , chunky , and completely rinsed before using , over time the powdery residue staying wet turns that bottom 1-1/2-2" into a solid chunk with no more "lower rez" capabilities , and the juice just runs out the drainholes after each feed , and that`s why Hempy shitcanned it for 100% coco back in the day....and yeah...

I feel yas Third , using the "right consistency" coco dialed in with grower skills and experience only needs regular feeds to keep said medium constantly moist with regular O2 replacement for the rootzone....but....

Not knowing the difference in coco`s consistency from coffee gounds mushy shit that holds water like a mofo is where a LOT of folks make mistakes and fail , and adding perlite helps that to some extent ....but....

The stringy fibers we all hope for , plus the croutons/chunks that I added along with chunky perlite insured an "aerated , easily drained , and moisture retentive medium" that made plants and rootmasses explode accordingly , and afforded me the insurance I needed between feed sequences....

Many ways ta skin a mule , but runs under yer belt and knowing your medium`s consistency , water holding capacities , and how many times a day to feed , makes things a whole lot easier down the road , just like your awesome garden exhibits Third....yours too Dans...but you use perlite right ?....so...

Here`s hopin IC OVO`s bro don`t have critters in his room and only some hermed out plants that`re easily dealt with by cullin .....

Peace....DHF..........

 

[Caravaggio]

Gonna haveta disagree on that one. Perlite + Coco = Good.

Too much perlite = bad. I'm using 80% perlite right now, and do agree that its probably a little much.... I'm watering 8x per day dtw right now.

Also on the pot size, sure you can grow pretty big plants in 6L pots.... You can grow bigger plants in 20L pots I'm sure at some point there are diminishing returns when it comes to pot size, but I know IC OVO likes to veg his plants big, so the bigger pot size isnt gonna hurt him.

Bro. Trust me. Ive been managing a 60k grow for the past 7mos and have done more R&D than most people with lots of side by sides. Pure Coco is all you need.

 

[DHF]

Bro. Trust me. Ive been managing a 60k grow for the past 7mos and have done more R&D than most people with lots of side by sides. Pure Coco is all you need.

Please explain what consistency coco and feed frequencies you`re runnin Bro , so it won`t be a blanket statement and keep folks confused , cuz coco is not just coco.....

It can be from mushy to chunks and all points in between....

Thanks....DHF.....

 

[dansbuds]

The bad thing about usin perlite in the bottoms of Hempy buckets is that if it`s not coarse , chunky , and completely rinsed before using , over time the powdery residue staying wet turns that bottom 1-1/2-2" into a solid chunk with no more "lower rez" capabilities , and the juice just runs out the drainholes after each feed , and that`s why Hempy shitcanned it for 100% coco back in the day....and yeah...

DHF , not arguing brutha , but Hempy is/was using coco croutons/ chunks in the rez , straight coco like canna in a hempy kept it way to soggy , he used the croutons in the bottom for the drainage & it worked alot better .
i use the chunky perilite in my hempys .... not rinsed & haven't had the problem your describing ... so far anyways . but i will keep an eye out for it now & will rinse the perilite if i need to . thanx for the heads up ! i never thought of that .
all my DTW buckets are canna coco right out of the bag .... no amendments other than powdered DE for the silica .

 

[DHF]

Thanks for clarifying Dans Bro , but please be mindful of keeping the chunky shit washed and free of the dust if not for anything other than insurance against it turning solid , cuz it can happen and has on numerous occasions.....and yeah....

I said something to Hempy back in the day about the bottom rez with coco getting mushy over time and becoming "anaerobic"/turning sour , and he said no problems , but I guess he did experience it and changed to the croutons unbeknownst to my old ass....Good call Bro....

Thanks again DB....All about the solid info FTW........

Peace....Freds..........

 

[dansbuds]

You've actually got me kinda worried now . cuz i have 4 3.5 gallon hempys in flower (less than a week) that i'm reusing the coco & pots . i just cut out the roots & stem enough to stick a rootball from a 5" pot in & let them veg for almost a month .
i pulled the whole thing out of the pot first to check the roots & the perilite rez to see if it was rootbound & could handle a second cycle ... & everything looked great , the perilite was nice & clean & white , so i decided to try it .... its working great so far ...... fingers crossed now lol

 

[DHF]

Aren`t you on automated feed Bro ?.....As long as it`s a gentle flow rinsing through and exchanging bottom rez juice in a timed fed sequence , you`re most likely golden....

Mr D`s gotten completely away from perlite altogether , and is substituting Napa 8822/Floor dry/calcined DE that don`t break down and turn to dust or mush like perlite will over time with excellent results....

He mixes his in the medium and not Hempy style , and also uses the croutons/chunks like I was rollin with , as in 1/3 stringy fibers/1/3 croutons/chunks/and 1/3 Napa 8822 with consistent returns , plus with perlite mixed in the medium it has a tendency to float up and reach for the surface over time.....anyways...

Just keep a check on it and you`ll be fine Bro.....just don`t take nothing with coco for granted....

Peace....Freds........

 

[DabOnDabs]

Bro. Trust me. Ive been managing a 60k grow for the past 7mos and have done more R&D than most people with lots of side by sides. Pure Coco is all you need.

Shit, hard to argue with experience...

Have any data/side by side info on this?

I use the biggest shit I can find, and havent had problems with it turning solid on me. I guess yields will tell, but interested to see what sorta data/information you have

 

[Caravaggio]

Please explain what consistency coco and feed frequencies you`re runnin Bro , so it won`t be a blanket statement and keep folks confused , cuz coco is not just coco.....

It can be from mushy to chunks and all points in between....

Thanks....DHF.....

We run all Canna Coco, Black Label or Mother Earth. All 3 have been great.

 

[dansbuds]

Aren`t you on automated feed Bro ?.....As long as it`s a gentle flow rinsing through and exchanging bottom rez juice in a timed fed sequence , you`re most likely golden....

Mr D`s gotten completely away from perlite altogether , and is substituting Napa 8822/Floor dry/calcined DE that don`t break down and turn to dust or mush like perlite will over time with excellent results....

He mixes his in the medium and not Hempy style , and also uses the croutons/chunks like I was rollin with , as in 1/3 stringy fibers/1/3 croutons/chunks/and 1/3 Napa 8822 with consistent returns , plus with perlite mixed in the medium it has a tendency to float up and reach for the surface over time.....anyways...

Just keep a check on it and you`ll be fine Bro.....just don`t take nothing with coco for granted....

Peace....Freds........

Yeah i'm set up with 2 drip stakes per pot feeding everynight till runoff .
i've read up on the napa floor dry , but just never tried it .
i kinda like the perilite in that i can just toss it after i use the same pot twice . just don't have room here to clean & recycle materials . if i can use it twice or 3 times without having to go through all that cleaning shit .... then i'm game

 

[dansbuds]

We run all Canna Coco, Black Label or Mother Earth. All 3 have been great.

yeah i use canna mainly but have tried the mother earth & it was just as good as canna .... never tried the Black label .

 

[LyryC]

Sanctuary Soils has good coco - and I like where this is going since I use coco also and i've actually been reusing some coco for about a year now and I got fresh bags sitting around. I mix my coco with perilite and growstones - really like em.

I'm going to get chunky coco and different kinds if they have it and see where that goes and how it works opposed to perilite which makes a mess floating around and with that dust.

Now heres where I want to get some clarification with coco - Can one inoculate coco with Beneficials and use chem ferts?

Can coco be purely organic - Hows everyone feeding their coco plants?

I use Advanced Nutrients Sensi Grow/Bloom with some bloom additives - and I use H&G Amino Treatment - Root Excel - and hygrozyme. Suprethrive or B-1 if need but rarely and SNS 209 is the bees knees

I'm curious if one can make coco like soil in the essence its a living entity of its own and you would have to feed the coco and its occupants in order to feed the plant - not feed the plant through the coco like I am right now. I want to get into Teas and I think I need to hit up Mr. D or the dude with those no till coco beds - see if their 100% coco - now that I've got R/O water, I'm very interested in the potential microbes that can save the environment money and produce better.

 

[whatthe215]

Lyrc ^^^^ yup, coco will provide an environment for beneficial bacteria and fungus to colonize.

no, i do not think that coco can be fed with only teas, ferts are required.

i personally use OGBIOWAR for my beneficials 1x/week. coco beds, no tilling and no throwing it away. reusing.

 

[cheifnugget]

Awesome garden ovo!

 

[RetroGrow]

Sanctuary Soils has good coco - and I like where this is going since I use coco also and i've actually been reusing some coco for about a year now and I got fresh bags sitting around. I mix my coco with perilite and growstones - really like em.

I'm going to get chunky coco and different kinds if they have it and see where that goes and how it works opposed to perilite which makes a mess floating around and with that dust.

Now heres where I want to get some clarification with coco - Can one inoculate coco with Beneficials and use chem ferts?

Can coco be purely organic - Hows everyone feeding their coco plants?

I use Advanced Nutrients Sensi Grow/Bloom with some bloom additives - and I use H&G Amino Treatment - Root Excel - and hygrozyme. Suprethrive or B-1 if need but rarely and SNS 209 is the bees knees

I'm curious if one can make coco like soil in the essence its a living entity of its own and you would have to feed the coco and its occupants in order to feed the plant - not feed the plant through the coco like I am right now. I want to get into Teas and I think I need to hit up Mr. D or the dude with those no till coco beds - see if their 100% coco - now that I've got R/O water, I'm very interested in the potential microbes that can save the environment money and produce better.

Canna already has bennies in it....

 

[Caravaggio]

I just finished my first run with Advanced Sensi Bloom A & B with pure coco and didn't love it. Seemed like i had pretty bad yellowing way too early.

Giving it another go in a small 4k room and will try a bit higher Ec (1.0 to start and will ramp up to 2.0) last run my max was 1.6EC. Not running any of their additives. Just some biologicals early in veg and early flower, drip clean and mild carbs every other feeding. Thats been a real good recipe for success for us for awhile.

 

[Treetroit City]

Inquiring minds want to know. How they doing brutha?

 

[papaduc]

Now heres where I want to get some clarification with coco - Can one inoculate coco with Beneficials and use chem ferts?

You can, but there's no point. The whole point of the micro herd is to break down organic things into available nutrients for the plant, convert nitrogen into different forms etc. Things like Mycorrhizae are extensions of the root zone which make otherwise immobile things available to the plant.

When you're feeding chem ferts you negate the need for all of this because the minerals are already available in water soluble form. There's no need for a further breakdown. Basically the process which makes chem nutes from raw material into plant-available form, is what the bacteria would do in the ground with organic degradable materials like blood, bone, cardboard, eggshells etc. It's two completely different worlds and neither belongs with the other.

It's why when companies promote beneficial bacteria for use with chem nute lines, it's just snake oil because at that point it has no use and plays on the lack of understanding of the buyer as to what's possible to achieve with it.

Can coco be purely organic - Hows everyone feeding their coco plants?

It can. Mixing things like blood and bone, worm shit etc, it can be the base for a mix that can then be treated like organic. You can top dress or mix in with things like blood meal etc anyway, even in unamended coco. In fact fishmix is a good feed for the vegetative stage in pure coco.

The thing is, when you're talking about the environment, whether you're growing organically or not isn't the main concern. If you lived by a lake and grew tomatoes in a pot with chem nutes and the run off never saw the ground, you'd be doing more for it than you would being heavy handed with the organic fish mix on your veg patch which would then be flushed through the soil and into the water supply. Both forms of nitrogen are partly responsible for algal blooms which create problems for aquatic life.

The thing is, people's nitrogen levels can be reduced dramatically compared to what they're at now. I know this by looking around the boards and seeing figures like 2.2ec... it's literally double what you need to be using.

If you can maintain a grow on 1.0 ec with a small amount of run off and occasional plain water/low ec drenches, vs 1.6 - 2.0ec+ every feed with 20%+ run off, you're making a massive difference to the amount of waste nitrates and phosphates you're puttting into the water supply with every feed. Whether you use chemical or organic nutrients.

 

[LyryC]

I just finished my first run with Advanced Sensi Bloom A & B with pure coco and didn't love it. Seemed like i had pretty bad yellowing way too early.

Giving it another go in a small 4k room and will try a bit higher Ec (1.0 to start and will ramp up to 2.0) last run my max was 1.6EC. Not running any of their additives. Just some biologicals early in veg and early flower, drip clean and mild carbs every other feeding. Thats been a real good recipe for success for us for awhile.

what do you mean by pure coco? You need to use coco croutons with coco coir - or else your plants will have wet feet and/or maybe a deficiency?

You can, but there's no point. The whole point of the micro herd is to break down organic things into available nutrients for the plant, convert nitrogen into different forms etc. Things like Mycorrhizae are extensions of the root zone which make otherwise immobile things available to the plant.

When you're feeding chem ferts you negate the need for all of this because the minerals are already available in water soluble form. There's no need for a further breakdown. Basically the process which makes chem nutes from raw material into plant-available form, is what the bacteria would do in the ground with organic degradable materials like blood, bone, cardboard, eggshells etc. It's two completely different worlds and neither belongs with the other.

It's why when companies promote beneficial bacteria for use with chem nute lines, it's just snake oil because at that point it has no use and plays on the lack of understanding of the buyer as to what's possible to achieve with it.



It can. Mixing things like blood and bone, worm shit etc, it can be the base for a mix that can then be treated like organic. You can top dress or mix in with things like blood meal etc anyway, even in unamended coco. In fact fishmix is a good feed for the vegetative stage in pure coco.

The thing is, when you're talking about the environment, whether you're growing organically or not isn't the main concern. If you lived by a lake and grew tomatoes in a pot with chem nutes and the run off never saw the ground, you'd be doing more for it than you would being heavy handed with the organic fish mix on your veg patch which would then be flushed through the soil and into the water supply. Both forms of nitrogen are partly responsible for algal blooms which create problems for aquatic life.

The thing is, people's nitrogen levels can be reduced dramatically compared to what they're at now. I know this by looking around the boards and seeing figures like 2.2ec... it's literally double what you need to be using.

If you can maintain a grow on 1.0 ec with a small amount of run off and occasional plain water/low ec drenches, vs 1.6 - 2.0ec+ every feed with 20%+ run off, you're making a massive difference to the amount of waste nitrates and phosphates you're puttting into the water supply with every feed. Whether you use chemical or organic nutrients.

Well fuck it I already inoculated my coco and am feeding it Sensi Grow for now. I think part of the beneficials help the plant with defense and other food related things for the root system.

Plus they keep your medium clean and healthy

I do agree though - down ehre in Socal the lawn ferts have caused immense problems for the local sea wild life with algae growing out of control.

I can't htink of any harm done by inoculating my medium - plus I gotta use all the free bennies I got at hte g row show!