be careful bringing in clones!

[pseudostelariae]

organic growers especially, if you are bringing in clones, even if they are coming from a medical dispensary, check them EXTREMELY closely for spider mites and eggs. a pre-treatment probably wouldn't be a bad idea.

i made the mistake of trusting an OMMP's clones and now i'm having to deal with spider mites! i've had them before and unless you factor them into your grow and are OK with a certain amount in/around your final product, organic methods don't seem to work very well. it seems more worthwhile for indoor growers to simply scrap everything, bleach your rooms and start using sterilized media inoculated with clean beneficials and amended with compost/castings that have been lab tested and verified clean rather than just using cheapo bales of promix that are likely infested from sitting around outside for months.

 

[bayarea925]

This really should be a given. Your room is only as clean as the person your getting plants from. You should be also doing preventive maintaince. Wether you do your own cuts or getting from someone else.

 

[STUNKY]

How big is your grow? There are ways to kill them without shutting down.. Had the same happen to me . I saved my grow with hot shot strips, neem, and another easily gotten spray that came from lowes..
The best thing to do with clones is put them in a small box for a week with high temps and 2 hot shot strips.. Those mites will be dead quick..

 

[surfguitar]

Learned this the hard way like you about 3 years ago, never again will I trust cuts. I was so tempted to get a GG at cannabis cup too but I stuck to my guns haha

 

[IGROWMYOWN]

so cal clone scene has taught me a lot of the years like expecting cuts to come with something also taught me how to get rid a lot of things....GG4 is worth the risk imo a very special plant I have faith in the Glue Crew and a dunk and root drench of ogbiowar doesn't hurt as well.

 

[Eureka Springs Organics]

I really don't like to sound preachy, but insects are not a problem when you use OGBIOWAR Foliar.

Get clones from wherever you want. Craigslist? Ok, it won't matter. Spider mites, broad mites, etc. don't matter when you use it.

I shall step down off of my pulpit now.

 

[surfguitar]

ESO- I use ogbiowar, predator bugs and neem/botanical foliars. I dunno that I would still risk it haha, after seeing a 1k watt room full of healthy schroms get overtaken and destroyed by mites I'll stick to seeds. No doubt if you're getting clones tho that those are the best things to use.

 

[Eureka Springs Organics]

I feel you. I personally get plants from wherever, and whoever. I don't worry anymore.

No problems to speak of ever.

 

[Granger2]

OGHW is the shit. I would never even consider scrapping a grow because of a little thing like spider mites. I'm pasting the method I've used to totally wipe out mites organically twice. I can always track or carry more in, but I'll know what to do. Good luck. -granger

Spider Mite Control

Pyrethrum is fairly safe, but if it also has PBO, piperonyl butoxide, it's a different ball game.

I would use Azasol rather than Azamax or Azatrol. Azasol is oil free, causes no phytotoxicity, is more systemic, no smell after drying [to humans], no oil mess, similar price, dissolves instantly. In sum, more effective.

Best way is to mix in a bucket, cover top of root ball with a rag or cardboard and immerse everything above ground. That way you get 100% coverage, and dunking them washes off many mites and eggs. Also, spray walls, doors, floor, entire container including the bottom. Non messy since it's oil free.

The big key that has given me a once and for all kill [till I carry more in], is to do a second dunk 36 hours later, followed by another in 48, each time spraying walls, doors, floor, entire container. This kills any hatchlings before they have a chance to lay more eggs. Plus you're done in 4 days. I usually follow this procedure using Spinosad w/wetting agent the first 2 treatments, then Azasol for the 3rd. If you have the energy, add a 3rd Spinosad dunk before the last one with Azasol. Done in 5½ days.

What has worked well for me has been to spray the plants with Azasol during the first week of 12/12 as a preventive. No mites thru harvest. Haven't had mites in the 3 years since I started this one preventive treatment.

I've also gotten rid of mites using only Spinosad w/wetting agent for 4 treatments. Dunk, again in 36, 36, 48. Good luck. -granger

 

[Microbeman]

It would be interesting to know what constitutes the 94% other ingredients in Azasol. I suggest following recommended guidelines for use and ensure that you use it in a contained environment. http://azasol.com

The same goes with Spinosad products. When I have had to use spinosad there has been no expectation of survival of beneficial bugs and we hope for as little contact with the soil as possible.

My experience with Pyrethrum products is that mites quickly build an immunity to the substance.

The most success we have had in years of gardening has been in having the dirtiest garden possible with a wide spectrum of organisms allowed entry. They keep each other at bay...most often. Not everyone's cup of tea I know.

 

[Microbeman]

PS; Dunking clones in room temperature water helps if infested with mites.

 

[pseudostelariae]

How big is your grow? There are ways to kill them without shutting down.. Had the same happen to me . I saved my grow with hot shot strips, neem, and another easily gotten spray that came from lowes..
The best thing to do with clones is put them in a small box for a week with high temps and 2 hot shot strips.. Those mites will be dead quick..

thanks everyone for the input! the grow isn't huge. i'm not so worried about the veg tent because i'm confident i can eradicate the mites in there with aggressive treatment but i have 10 in flowering at 2 weeks and the plants themselves are pretty big (3'-5') so it's hard to move them around. i only noticed mites on 1 plant in the flowering tent so i'm hoping i got it out of there before they spread. only time will tell.

i'm about to head to the greenhouse supply and will be looking for azasol, a neem based spray and the organocide that keeps coming up in threads about spider mites. also considering some sort of essential oil product. possibly pyrethrins as well.

any suggestions for something that can be used in early flowering? i know it's generally advised not to spray anything during flowering if you can get away with it but at this point i'd rather spray and save the crop than wake up to near finished buds covered in web and mite poop.

edit: my roommate actually just brought me what the shop recommended to use and the active ingredient is azadirachtin. any different or better than regular neem oil sprays? nvmd. learned some stuff and it's azamax. not sure if they had azasol but i'll see how this works.

 

[Eureka Springs Organics]

thanks everyone for the input! the grow isn't huge. i'm not so worried about the veg tent because i'm confident i can eradicate the mites in there with aggressive treatment but i have 10 in flowering at 2 weeks and the plants themselves are pretty big (3'-5') so it's hard to move them around. i only noticed mites on 1 plant in the flowering tent so i'm hoping i got it out of there before they spread. only time will tell.

i'm about to head to the greenhouse supply and will be looking for azasol, a neem based spray and the organocide that keeps coming up in threads about spider mites. also considering some sort of essential oil product. possibly pyrethrins as well.

any suggestions for something that can be used in early flowering? i know it's generally advised not to spray anything during flowering if you can get away with it but at this point i'd rather spray and save the crop than wake up to near finished buds covered in web and mite poop.

edit: my roommate actually just brought me what the shop recommended to use and the active ingredient is azadirachtin. any different or better than regular neem oil sprays?

OGBIOWAR Foliar can be sprayed up to the day of harvest.

 

[Microbeman]

Okay. What is OGBIOWAR?

 

[Microbeman]

If you are saying that a knock off beneficial microbe mix works as a pesticide be very careful. http://ogbiowar.com/ ? Do we know what microbes it contains?

 

[Eureka Springs Organics]

If you are saying that a knock off beneficial microbe mix works as a pesticide be very careful. http://ogbiowar.com/ ? Do we know what microbes it contains?

Yes I do, as it is on the label.

What makes it a knock off, and what is it knocking off?

It is registered for sale on California food crops, and is pending much more registration.

 

[pseudostelariae]

the OGBIOWAR is Bacillus sp., Beauveria sp., Metarhizium sp. And Verticillium sp.

Beauveria and Metarhizium seem most helpful for this particular pest but i don't understand it well enough to really say.

 

[Eureka Springs Organics]

the OGBIOWAR is Bacillus sp., Beauveria sp., Metarhizium sp. And Verticillium sp.

Beauveria and Metarhizium seem most helpful for this particular pest but i don't understand it well enough to really say.

It has 10 different biological's in it. I was suppose to post them, and Iforgot.

 

[Cannavore]

Damn, Eureka do you know why Cap is increasing the price by 25%?

 

[Microbeman]

Yes I do, as it is on the label.

What makes it a knock off, and what is it knocking off?

It is registered for sale on California food crops, and is pending much more registration.

Registered as a pesticide? If not, it is highly illegal to advertise it as such. Microbial mixes like that are a dime a dozen. The only thing which makes one better than the next is the density of spores and price point. If I were going to purchase something like that I'd compare it to ICT products which have been around a little bit longer. When one steps outside of the cannabis hype world they can learn of all sorts of other goodies.

I do believe that Cap has a good density in his mycorrhizal product but using it in a tea, as some do, is plain stupid.