First grow, want to grow in coco.

[stoned40yrs]

It's more a case of it being pointless really. If two bottles worked any better than one, I'd say go for it. They don't. So I say don't.

Canna is in two bottles A&B you mix.
If all of them work great than there is this:

Amazon:
2-gal of GH micro and Bloom- $56.46
2-5l bottles of Canna A&B--- $91.99
2-gal of Floranova---------- $125.72

no brainer

 

[stoned40yrs]

If you`re determined to start out with coco , then filter my posts in HGO/Hundred Gram Oz`s thread here , and the post I made in Jnugg`s thread plus the 1 I made in 5th`s thread(coir or husk) couple days ago....and then....since it`s your first run ....

Forget about all the cheap shit or compressed bales and buy the pre-charged/washed and buffered expensive ass Canna fluffed and bagged PLUS their nutrient line , and keep ppm`s/ec low across the board...and yes....

Dripclean @ 1ml per gal from beginning to end of grow is excellent insurance against residual salt buildup , plus no additives just the base nutes till you have couple successful runs , and then down the road....

SM-90 as an innoculant in the medium to prevent rootborn larvae IF there is any from hatching , as well as Botanicare`s "silicablast" @ 5ml per gal for overall plant health and stemwall strength with bigger plants.....and lastly....

I assure you Jnugg`s only trying to help since coco IS a finicky bitch till dialed , but if yas use the expensive shit and learn what to look for as you get used to said medium , you should be good to go....

Trying coco for the first time using ANY product other than as stated above , most likely will put yas in the same boat as Jnugg and 5th with deficiencies , toxicities , PH lockouts and imbalances with crop death right around the corner unless figured out and remedied , and you`ll be wishin you listened to him and went with promix or other soil setups to get a few runs finished......and for the record...

Coco is a "soiless" medium with hydro-like results once yas get environment , watts per sq ft , and strains dialed in , but it ain`t gonna drop in your lap....takes time and runs under yer belt guaranteed....anyways....

Good luck....DHF........

What about calmag in coco. I see so many guys say use it and so many say don't use it. What do you suggest and at what dose per gal? I saw this old post from you:

Blumats with base nutes , drip clean and cal/mag is the most bulletproof "set it and forget it" system there is out there for dialin coco and explosive growth comparable to any hydro setup there is without all the cash outlay for the bells and whistles....bet on it.....

 

[papaduc]

Amazon:
2-gal of GH micro and Bloom- $56.46
2-5l bottles of Canna A&B--- $91.99
2-gal of Floranova---------- $125.72

Floranova is at least double the concentration of both the others, so if you're comparing to Canna for price alone, it's a lot cheaper. Same with the Maxi-grow powder which I think works out cheaper still. Then there's the Veg+bloom which I see a few people are using and that looks good. It's really not that big an issue tbh. The one bottle does the job and it's all you need through the whole veg stage. Simple.

What about calmag in coco. I see so many guys say use it and so many say don't use it.

In a good quality coco with good quality nutes, calmag should mainly be seen under the bed. I suppose it's good to have in as a fix in case of a problem, but I've never owned a bottle and to this day have never once had to correct a magnesium deficiency.

 

[stoned40yrs]

Floranova is at least double the concentration of both the others, so if you're comparing to Canna for price alone, it's a lot cheaper. Same with the Maxi-grow powder which I think works out cheaper still. Then there's the Veg+bloom which I see a few people are using and that looks good. It's really not that big an issue tbh. The one bottle does the job and it's all you need through the whole veg stage. Simple.



In a good quality coco with good quality nutes, calmag should mainly be seen under the bed. I suppose it's good to have in as a fix in case of a problem, but I've never owned a bottle and to this day have never once had to correct a magnesium deficiency.

Thanks. The tipping point for me on nutes is I have a gal each of GH micro and bloom sitting in my closet from my last grow a few years ago

You mind giving me your opinion on protek, coco and the ph swings it causes?

 

[RetroGrow]

You are stressing WAY too much about this. No matter what anyone says, coco is as easy as it get's. Simple. Just buy Canna, bagged coco. No rinsing necessary. There are lots of good nutrients. After all, they are basically the same thing. The deciding factor is simplicity and cost. Now, you say you can't afford a PH pen, but you want to buy Canna nutes, which are very expensive. Maxibloom, NOT grow, is simple, one part, and it's cheap, and works all the way through the grow. There is no need to buy Maxigrow, but if you want to, knock yourself out, then switch to Maxibloom in flower. I have used every one of these every which way, and they all work, but if it's simplicity and economy that you want, Maxibloom/Flranova Bloom can't be beat. Buy a cheaper nute line and a PH pen. The PH pen is CRITICAL, NOT optional. I used Canna nutes for years, and they work fine, but after trying Maxibloom/K.I.S.S. method, I would never waste the extra money on Canna nutes, with the exception of Rhizotonic, however with a bloom formula like Maxibloom/Floranovabloom, you really don't need Rhizotonic, which, again, is expensive. Maxibloom powder is super simple and cheap. Other , even cheaper nutes that work fine are Dynagro and Jacks. I used Dynagro in 1970 in my first grow, and it is perfectly fine. Most hydro stores don't carry it because there is not enough markup on it. Same for Jacks. You do NOT need cal/mag for coco. Just don't use RO water. Use tap water, which has all the calcium you need in it, not to mention that it's in most grow formulas anyway. You say you can't get Hempy buckets? Any plastic container can be a Hempy bucket. You can get them in the Dollar store, you can get them free from some restaurants/ice cream parlors, who throw out their plastic buckets after they are empty. Plastic waste basket can be a Hempy bucket. Any container can be a Hempy bucket, including 2 liter soda bottles. I prefer the 2 gallon, Home Depot buckets, but if you can't get them for some reason, go to any paint/hardware store and get a 2.5 gallon paint bucket (plastic). My friend did his first grow last year: Canna coco, Hempy buckets, Maxibloom, TAP water, and ZERO problems. Also, get a bottle of silica, doesn't matter what make. It's cheap and makes plants stronger.
I have never had a single problem with any coco grow, and after using it, would never go back to soil. Silica can also be used to raise your PH, so it is multifunctional. Some people swear it increases trichome production, but I have no proof of this.
These plants were grown in Hempy buckets, in Canna coco, and Maxibloom, NOT Grow. Notice the thickness of the stems. That's with a 2 month veg period. Strain is Super Lemon Haze. Plant on left yielded a pound, on the right yielded 13 zips, using bloom formula with silica for strong stems and improved disease/pest resistance.

 

[DrBagseed]

In all my 20+yrs of growin inside , it was never anything but GH-3 part I used , ONLY cuz it was available at my buddie`s business without having to buy shit online AND where I lived and grew , Hydro shops were/are non - existent...but...

I was told from the get by a krazy ass klown back in the day ta use and dial GH 3 part so I did....I`m sure there`s easier base nutes that work just as well in 1 part bottles , but floranova bloom AND maxibloom 1 part K.I.S.S formulas are still made by GH , so....

The shit`s good enough for NASA , Hell......I figured I`d give em a shot.....and never looked back.....now...The reason I specified Canna juice was for the simple reason of buyin the most expensive coco-specific products there are on the market cuz you ain`t never grown dope Bro , and I did NOT wanna see yas go tits up with no crop at the end of throwin money up a hawg`s ass with no return.....that said....

Papa`s spot on with everything he posts , and he`s got more experience with different juice lines than what I just stuck with and learned backwards and forward , so that`s where we stand at this point in the game....

The big thing with coco is it`s CEC and need for calcium , magnesium , and what few folks know about , holds onto potassium in mid-late bloomage like it does to ca/mag/n in early stages of growth through end of stretch....

The expensive shit helps to do away with these problems ,so....

Once yas got the medium fully charged and buffered , run consistent ppm`s across the board no higher than 750/1.5ec , and if lower ppm`s are maintained , dripclean might not be a necessity.....anyways....

Papaduc can handle this , but you can too by more reading and following the rules of CEC with coco , and lower ppm`s across the board.....

Learnin the rules will letchas go far , but don`t be a stoner and slip up....

Good luck....DHF.........

Thank you for your reply, I appreciate it. The canna nutes are now currently on there way, I am using the complete line, so lets hope I dont run into any of the problems mentioned above.

I'm currently trying to do all the learning I can, but I find the ppm's to be a part im struggling with, hopefully I will undstand this better in the next couple of days, and I will have a hp/ec meter within a couple of weeks, untill then I will have to use a Ph drop tester.
I might be a stoner, but I'll try to not slip up anyways Thanks

 

[DrBagseed]

Even if it does, you'll be ok as long as you treat them right. there's no magic nutrient and once you get the feel for what you're doing you can make any nute work for you.

Remember though, to get growth like that is a matter of more than nutes. You want some good equipment as well as a good idea of when to top etc.

This is that same plant:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=46124&pictureid=1177972View Image

Look where she's been topped, and at a young age. From that point she puts her energies into making those main strong branches. Those tiny little shoots are the branches on the other page. Doing it that early is the key to that thick growth from the ground up.

A good PL2 fluorescent is a great start for your seedlings and helps them get that solid base. After that, put them into your final pot, and under your biggest light and watch them fly.

So they updated my order to the canna line instead, so I will be using there full line now, hope it dosn't get confusing, but they have a pretty straight forward feeding-schedule on there site.

She looks nice, I am definately gonna top my plants because of this. I dont think I can get a fluorescent lamp, would a 7,5w white/blue led lamp work for starting them or should I just use a 400w hps?

 

[DHF]

What about calmag in coco. I see so many guys say use it and so many say don't use it. What do you suggest and at what dose per gal? I saw this old post from you:

Blumats with base nutes , drip clean and cal/mag is the most bulletproof "set it and forget it" system there is out there for dialin coco and explosive growth comparable to any hydro setup there is without all the cash outlay for the bells and whistles....bet on it.....

I ran 1/2 tap and 1/2 r/o for added cal/mag PLUS Botanicare`s Cal/Mag+ @ 5ml per gal with GH 3 part in limited amounts with SM-90 @ 5ml per gal for rootzone critter protection , and Botanicare`s Silicablast @ 5 ml per gal and that`s it and never above 750 ppms/1.5 ec.....why the extra cal/mag ?.....

Cuz Clone only Chem D was/is a Cal/mag "whore" and requires the extra to squeeze every gram outta the bitches I could for consistent crop return results , plus that`s the only cut I ran in coco for production and I dialed her ass to a T , and the market loved the end product with no competition where I lived and grew....

The pre-bagged/fluffed and charged stuff plus the canna nutes takes into account the extra cal/mag needs of the coco substrate and compensates for the CEC ...I never had that luxury thus the need for cal/mag supplements......

Hope that helps....DHF.........

 

[DrBagseed]

You are stressing WAY too much about this. No matter what anyone says, coco is as easy as it get's. Simple. Just buy Canna, bagged coco. No rinsing necessary. There are lots of good nutrients. After all, they are basically the same thing. The deciding factor is simplicity and cost. Now, you say you can't afford a PH pen, but you want to buy Canna nutes, which are very expensive. Maxibloom, NOT grow, is simple, one part, and it's cheap, and works all the way through the grow. There is no need to buy Maxigrow, but if you want to, knock yourself out, then switch to Maxibloom in flower. I have used every one of these every which way, and they all work, but if it's simplicity and economy that you want, Maxibloom/Flranova Bloom can't be beat. Buy a cheaper nute line and a PH pen. The PH pen is CRITICAL, NOT optional. I used Canna nutes for years, and they work fine, but after trying Maxibloom/K.I.S.S. method, I would never waste the extra money on Canna nutes, with the exception of Rhizotonic, however with a bloom formula like Maxibloom/Floranovabloom, you really don't need Rhizotonic, which, again, is expensive. Maxibloom powder is super simple and cheap. Other , even cheaper nutes that work fine are Dynagro and Jacks. I used Dynagro in 1970 in my first grow, and it is perfectly fine. Most hydro stores don't carry it because there is not enough markup on it. Same for Jacks. You do NOT need cal/mag for coco. Just don't use RO water. Use tap water, which has all the calcium you need in it, not to mention that it's in most grow formulas anyway. You say you can't get Hempy buckets? Any plastic container can be a Hempy bucket. You can get them in the Dollar store, you can get them free from some restaurants/ice cream parlors, who throw out their plastic buckets after they are empty. Plastic waste basket can be a Hempy bucket. Any container can be a Hempy bucket, including 2 liter soda bottles. I prefer the 2 gallon, Home Depot buckets, but if you can't get them for some reason, go to any paint/hardware store and get a 2.5 gallon paint bucket (plastic). My friend did his first grow last year: Canna coco, Hempy buckets, Maxibloom, TAP water, and ZERO problems. Also, get a bottle of silica, doesn't matter what make. It's cheap and makes plants stronger.
I have never had a single problem with any coco grow, and after using it, would never go back to soil. Silica can also be used to raise your PH, so it is multifunctional. Some people swear it increases trichome production, but I have no proof of this.
These plants were grown in Hempy buckets, in Canna coco, and Maxibloom, NOT Grow. Notice the thickness of the stems. That's with a 2 month veg period. Strain is Super Lemon Haze. Plant on left yielded a pound, on the right yielded 13 zips, using bloom formula with silica for strong stems and improved disease/pest resistance.
View Image

Hey man, thats some nice trees
The canna nutrients+canna coco are on there way, so no more having to decide about that, feels good.
Wow, I never realized I could make my own hempy buckets, wish I knew that yesterday, I spent like 60$ on some expencive smart pots. Thanks for the tip though, I might still make some.

I might look into silica but I think it might be to late for this grow, or is it a liquid?

You saying you haven't really ran into any problems growing in coco is also very comforting, I'm not sure if I will veg my plants as long as you, but your picture makes me want to do it hehe, nice yield also.

Have a good day people!

 

[hotboxes]

Hey there Dr. I switched from DWC to coco about 6 years.ago and never looked back learning a as I went but 1 thing I always came upon was using cal/mag with coco , and then some time later I came across pro-tek potassium silicate. This stuff acts like a ph up but it has beneficial components to it. I run coco in smart pots with maxi bloom powder, cal/mag, and pro-tek. And I use ph drops haven't used a ph meter in years. Can't get.much simpler for great results. You get hydro growth and organic results imo. Check out my first thread my ppk/vert thread all I used was maxi bloom at.6-7 grams/gallon, cal/mag at 6ml/gallon, and the pro-tek at 5ml/gallon from beginning til end except at the end I flushed with ph'd.water for 2-3 weeks. There is a ton of great mentors in this thread that can help along the way, hope you get everything worked out and get on your way to some great trees yourself.

 

[Jnugg]

Fuck it...after a half week and no turn for the better,I'm taking cuttings from the mom and going back to FFOF.

All this pH needing to be spot on ontop of other bullshit is just that,bullshit.

Anyone that says coco is easier and more forgiving than soil is full of shit...FULL OF IT!

At this point if I don't go back to soil,I don't get any meds this year.

Soil FTMFW!

 

[FlaDankster]

Fuck it...after a half week and no turn for the better,I'm taking cuttings from the mom and going back to FFOF.

All this pH needing to be spot on ontop of other bullshit is just that,bullshit.

Anyone that says coco is easier and more forgiving than soil is full of shit...FULL OF IT!

At this point if I don't go back to soil,I don't get any meds this year.

Soil FTMFW!

Hate to see ya give up on the coco dude.

Coco is easier and more forgiving than soil.YOU goofed on it first go with it.Keep your coco from the run your doing in it,use it again and you'll more than likely be sayin fuck FFOF.

 

[FlaDankster]

You are stressing WAY too much about this. No matter what anyone says, coco is as easy as it get's. Simple. Just buy Canna, bagged coco. No rinsing necessary. There are lots of good nutrients. After all, they are basically the same thing. The deciding factor is simplicity and cost. Now, you say you can't afford a PH pen, but you want to buy Canna nutes, which are very expensive. Maxibloom, NOT grow, is simple, one part, and it's cheap, and works all the way through the grow. There is no need to buy Maxigrow, but if you want to, knock yourself out, then switch to Maxibloom in flower. I have used every one of these every which way, and they all work, but if it's simplicity and economy that you want, Maxibloom/Flranova Bloom can't be beat. Buy a cheaper nute line and a PH pen. The PH pen is CRITICAL, NOT optional. I used Canna nutes for years, and they work fine, but after trying Maxibloom/K.I.S.S. method, I would never waste the extra money on Canna nutes, with the exception of Rhizotonic, however with a bloom formula like Maxibloom/Floranovabloom, you really don't need Rhizotonic, which, again, is expensive. Maxibloom powder is super simple and cheap. Other , even cheaper nutes that work fine are Dynagro and Jacks. I used Dynagro in 1970 in my first grow, and it is perfectly fine. Most hydro stores don't carry it because there is not enough markup on it. Same for Jacks. You do NOT need cal/mag for coco. Just don't use RO water. Use tap water, which has all the calcium you need in it, not to mention that it's in most grow formulas anyway. You say you can't get Hempy buckets? Any plastic container can be a Hempy bucket. You can get them in the Dollar store, you can get them free from some restaurants/ice cream parlors, who throw out their plastic buckets after they are empty. Plastic waste basket can be a Hempy bucket. Any container can be a Hempy bucket, including 2 liter soda bottles. I prefer the 2 gallon, Home Depot buckets, but if you can't get them for some reason, go to any paint/hardware store and get a 2.5 gallon paint bucket (plastic). My friend did his first grow last year: Canna coco, Hempy buckets, Maxibloom, TAP water, and ZERO problems. Also, get a bottle of silica, doesn't matter what make. It's cheap and makes plants stronger.
I have never had a single problem with any coco grow, and after using it, would never go back to soil. Silica can also be used to raise your PH, so it is multifunctional. Some people swear it increases trichome production, but I have no proof of this.
These plants were grown in Hempy buckets, in Canna coco, and Maxibloom, NOT Grow. Notice the thickness of the stems. That's with a 2 month veg period. Strain is Super Lemon Haze. Plant on left yielded a pound, on the right yielded 13 zips, using bloom formula with silica for strong stems and improved disease/pest resistance.
View Image

Well said....

Coco has been some of my easiest grows with outstandin yeild.

 

[Jnugg]

No,it's not dankster.

 

[Snow Crash]

I don't think anything is easier than soil.

Coco is hydroponics and it requires a different knowledge base and approach to gardening.

But I mean, how simple does something need to be really? I mix together a few things, dip in a device that tells me everything I need to know, and pour it over something. I mean, honestly, making cake from a box might be more complicated... But it's not for everyone.

But come'on coco-farmers. There really isn't anything simpler than organics. Just add water.

Jnugg, if you're ever feeling experimental I would be happy to get you through a "side-grow" with coco using smaller containers and whatever nutrients you want. Just hit me up.

 

[Jnugg]

I'm going to take my hydro shops "pepsi challenge" where they give you a bag of Canna Coco and Canna A and B,but for now it's back to soil only because I can only grow in the winter and I refuse to pay some one $250 an ounce when I can grow better for pennies on the dollar.

 

[DrBagseed]

Hey there Dr. I switched from DWC to coco about 6 years.ago and never looked back learning a as I went but 1 thing I always came upon was using cal/mag with coco , and then some time later I came across pro-tek potassium silicate. This stuff acts like a ph up but it has beneficial components to it. I run coco in smart pots with maxi bloom powder, cal/mag, and pro-tek. And I use ph drops haven't used a ph meter in years. Can't get.much simpler for great results. You get hydro growth and organic results imo. Check out my first thread my ppk/vert thread all I used was maxi bloom at.6-7 grams/gallon, cal/mag at 6ml/gallon, and the pro-tek at 5ml/gallon from beginning til end except at the end I flushed with ph'd.water for 2-3 weeks. There is a ton of great mentors in this thread that can help along the way, hope you get everything worked out and get on your way to some great trees yourself.

Hey man. Great to hear another sucess story about coco. I checked up prices for silicate right now after being told its good by many of you people in here, are the different brands the same? Because I can maybe get a bottle of ''Grow More Armor Kote Silicate''.

I checked your grow out also, sweet trees man. I only checked the pictures so I dont know if you posted your yield but it looks like you got enough from it.

 

[DrBagseed]

Fuck it...after a half week and no turn for the better,I'm taking cuttings from the mom and going back to FFOF.

All this pH needing to be spot on ontop of other bullshit is just that,bullshit.

Anyone that says coco is easier and more forgiving than soil is full of shit...FULL OF IT!

At this point if I don't go back to soil,I don't get any meds this year.

Soil FTMFW!

Thats very sad to hear. Hope you get it sorted out if you are not ending the project after you have taken clones. I hope this doesn't happen to me too.

 

[stoned40yrs]

I don't think anything is easier than soil.


But come'on coco-farmers. There really isn't anything simpler than organics. Just add water.

That's not the way I look at it even though this will be my first coco grow. The watering part isn't what pushed me away from soil. It was messing with hundreds of lbs of soil- mixing, carrying, moving, disposing of etc. I ain't going back to soil no matter what. Coco or die

 

[stoned40yrs]

Fuck it...after a half week and no turn for the better,I'm taking cuttings from the mom and going back to FFOF.

All this pH needing to be spot on ontop of other bullshit is just that,bullshit.

Anyone that says coco is easier and more forgiving than soil is full of shit...FULL OF IT!

At this point if I don't go back to soil,I don't get any meds this year.

Soil FTMFW!

Getting your meds is the important thing, not the grow medium. goodluck!