Wholesale pot prices plummet. Now there starting to get better

[minds_I]

Maybe we get a great run in growing weather and average to poor growers continue to pull off good harvests of decent quality herb. Last time I saw a bad weather year only the better growers held up OK and a lot suffered. Get on your game because it will always pay dividends good year or not.

If the weather stays the way it has the past few years in Cali only gonna make it more difficult for those indoors. I have some indoor grower friends and really hurting right now. The game has really changed.

If outdoor can go big by the acre in Cali what you'll see are rows of plants with fertigation, machine processing, etc. Some practices I see many use now won't be cost effective on a large scale. No more smartpots, teas, etc. They'll just work with native soil and build it from there. There's agronomists out there chomping at the bit to see this change happen. Quality won't suffer if done right and probably better than a lot of what people are currently doing as they bring their experience and science into play. We'll see.

I've moved on to getting involved with people selling the picks and shovels and gotten away from gold mining.

Hello all,

I would like to mention that industrial scale agriculture has left me wanting...what first comes to mind are tomatoes (es cannabis is not tomatoes), We get vegies and fruit in the summer from local growers that are large scale. While the produce is good, it does not compare to the tomatoes I grow or from the weekly small scale farmers market at the park.

I believe it is because of organic practices and personal attention that can not be duplicated large scale. IMO.
http://www.worldwatch.org/node/4060

If this is a truism then how can big ag do better than what it is doing now? Now to mention GMO which you know is going to occur at some point...its only smart business?

Still, I worry not.

Picks and shovels....Mr. Clemens was indeed a wish man. While I may have a palpable indifference to big ag, I have no such disinterest in money. Ancillary operations have great potential as well. I am thinking about lab analysis operations as a possible avenue for investment. particularly in the onset on legalization.

minds_I

 

[Yes4Prop215]

picks and shovels are definately the business sometimes i feel like im doing the wrong thing! my hydro store guy drives a freakin lambo aventendor and has a tesla as his daily, dudes ballin outta countrol. he gave me a player price on pappilons and still made himself several thousand in 15 minutes when i visited him this week. at least my grow game is good and we are making a good haul even through the bad seasons. 2014 has lots of folks worried about the water situation, maybe 2014 prices will be better if the yield is lower due to the water shortage. and if guys gotta spend 2500 a month on water deliveries on top of their land payments and infastructure, i dont see how rack packs are going to be feasible.

 

[NorCalDreaming]

i think genetics effect quality more then scale or size of a farm. deer ate my entire vegtable garden last year .twice.

Genetics offer potential...that's it. I do feel however that great genetics grown poorly are better than poor genetics grown great. IMO an op's size has nothing to do with quality. It's who's running it and how it's being run which includes the nutrient program among other things.

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I did not say big ag and the image than conjures up. I said agronomists. You can use biological farming, not really organic by many people's standards, which builds soil/humus, worm activity, microbiology (bacteria and fungi) on a large scale. That's a whole other topic.

Anyway...getting way off topic. Found out a friend in CO getting 17 per pack for popcorn.

 

[idiit]

deer ate my entire vegtable garden last year .twice.

^ i am sympathetic. has happened to me several times. the animals love organic veggies; the trace mineral content is highly desired by them according to some organic farm reports i've read.

sustainable agriculture is a big deal and sweeping the globe despite the monsanto types attempts to crush it.

i agree that primo genetics half ass grown can still produce a very nice product. shit genetics will never produce smoke wise anything but shit smoke.

outdoors organics ( i use the term loosely as i would also mean to imply natural style methods that might not strictly fall under the organic certification) are not expensive. i think they are probably the only truely economicly viable long term strategy. organic od grows of superior od strains is a very big game changing event in the process of manifesting.

 

[NorCalDreaming]

organic od grows of superior od strains is a very big game changing event in the process of manifesting.

I dunno. I hear what you're saying though. I go back to the survey in CO which said 80% of consumers were more interested in price. It's the consumer that ultimately drives the market. Most herb in CO is hydro salt grown not organic. I think ultimately the canna market will change just like the food market did with Whole Foods and major food companies adding organic products to their line.

Right now it seems if it's cheap and gets you stoned that's all consumers care about. If that does change significantly then poor growers, of which there are a lot, will have to change how they do things and questionable genetics will also fade away. I do expect that over time consumers will mature and in the long run high quality organic herb will become more important to the scene.

 

[DonDon]

What are people seeing for top notch OD? A grade light dep and gh

A grade ins still holding steady high 2s to low 3s?

 

[spunion]

What are people seeing for top notch OD? A grade light dep and gh

A grade ins still holding steady high 2s to low 3s?

I doubt you can get low 3s for A grade ID, in CA. Unless its some GSC, over the top bag appeal, top of the top shelf grade.

I'd assume 25xx would be the best you could hope for, but I think 2 flat is an over estimate and inflated by indoor grows.

 

[Yes4Prop215]

I've seen good light dep OG going for 17-18 in large amounts. and indoor OG going anywhere from 22-25 or so. 25 does seem to be the new ceiling for ins in CA unless its something out of this world or a hyped up strain like Sherbert.

 

[whadeezlrg]

so cal market (my area at least) 32 for proper og in's. 36 for proper gsc in's. 3 for ssh. 28 on some good dreams. all prices on in's. a buddy of mine gets even better tickets than that(34 for for ssh) for slightly lower quality. thats all a pack @ a time though, not exactly wholesale(5+#'s)

I've heard of clubs in orange county still droppin 4 on packs of cooks...

 

[localhero]

thats crazy prices for ssh man. must be because alot of clubs (out here at least in los angeles) are thirsty for sativas.

prices at clubs down here have been: 27 to 26 for on point trim job sugary beautiful buds lacking full nose. 24 for booboo indoor ill never grow again alien og. 32 to 29 for bomb ass amazing raskal. the highest quality outdoor i came across was 22 for ok-ish almost rushed looking trim job but amazing smell gdp. Ive heard theres been more than the usual of mexicans rolling through clubs with thier low grade lows.


bottom line to me it seems the market is overly competitive for mids and lows due to an abundance of outdoor still circulating. highs and sativas are in demand.

 

[whadeezlrg]

check this out, a canadian company plans on growing 1.3 million pounds annually in order to supply markets in ca and co...somehow they have a patent that includes only a 35 day growth schedule that yeilds 4-5x MORE than conventional plants that take 60-90 days to grow...they are publicly traded fwiw. and on that note, I missed an opporotunity on "HEMP" stocks, I nearly bought 55,000 shares @ $0.009 a share....they went up to $0.36 per share last week.....I've been kicking myself HARD for a week already...I would reccomend buying some shares if/when it goes back down to sub .05...I know I will be....figured this somewhat applied to wholesale in general and didn't want to start a new thread

LINK
http://www.mainstreet.com/article/small-business/super-grow-cannabis-facility-launched-makers-aminoplex?page=2

 

[Yes4Prop215]

that guy has a pipedream if he thinks CA cant produce enough to cover our demand, and hopefully CA consumers are smart enogh to boycott canadian grown 35 day beasters.

localhero yea alien OG is pretty mediocre, has a nice structure and good frost but the smell dramatically decreases after cure. also doesnt have much flavor...i wonder if that outdoor for 22 you saw was cherry pie it has a nose very similar to rank GDP.

 

[Backyard Farmer]

LoL Canada is funny if they think Cali is gonna take that 35 day Canadian hemp. Did they forget California invented the industry as we know it?

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

How are they going to import it when it cant cross borders?

minds_I

 

[DonDon]

Wouldn't simple economics suggest that California doesn't have a problem supplying itself. In fact prices being cut in half since 2006-2007 would actually suggest there is an inordinate surplus. Supply and demand. Supply is up demand down along with prices.

 

[whadeezlrg]

I just posted a link, and have nothing to do with the business plan of the above mentioned canadian. I realize that there is no shortage in ca. I would assume he is talking about post federal legalization thus making imports very likely....

 

[Hillside Grower]

^^^^
Can't believe you've done it lately....

 

[terminalc]

I'd say demand and supply are both up right now or the pricing would be far worse then it is. On a margin basis prices are still good if you can manage your risk.

 

[m4n]

Outdoor all machine trimmed...good smell...gdp, bubble kush, green crack, sour d and strawberry cough...13 indoor blue dream and green crack which looked more like popcorn packs were 17

 

[Hillside Grower]

Yes, deals to be had fo sho....take more please!