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rives

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Ask and ye shall receive......

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And the view from the opposite side of the tent -

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j78z

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Ballast discount.com is selling the IZTMH210315 ballast for $162 that seems to be the best price I've come across yet.
 

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"any light with higher reds will read higher on a par meter."

don't think that's true, as you would first have to take into account the par meter, and how off or not it is in a certain area / region as no par meter is 100% accurate, but the LI-cor is what all "scientists" use, and is the most accurate picture.

in one definition of your statement, yes a more wattage bulb is going to read higher par, but I think you were meaning red counts for more on a par meter then the other colors, and that's not true.

If I were to give you a par reading of 2000, and asked if it was a good light, what would you say? now what if I told you it was a all green led... any range from ( I'm simplifying here as meters are not accurate ) 400 - 700 get's counted the same on the meter, that's why a par reading is worthless as I mentioned above, but really only useful to use as a basis to say, ok that's the PAR number and this is the plant growth I'm seeing, or to see what different areas of the canopy are getting.

a high par number doesn't mean squat, without a spectrum chart / spectrophotometer reading. PAR has got way too hyped up since it's take over from lumens, but people need to understand it's one part of thee picture, not the whole picture.. and even then what you can do with a par meter, you can do with any meter, as all your after is a base line to go off of.. but it's not as cool to say 8000 lumen vs. saying I have 1000 par....
What I’m saying is that if you had a lamp that was under powered most of what any meter would see is red. Because it takes less energy to power the red spectrum thus giving a false sense of power to spectrum ratio. So let me give you an example. If you had two reading one a 1000 watts and the other 600watts same lamp. Reflector and ballast. The 600watt being a 1000 watt lamp underpowered. You MM reading would show a higher par per watt reading. Because the par-meter is picking up more red. Red is easier to deliver because it takes less power and heat (K) to achieve/ I should have been more clear. But it seems like you wanted to prove your lighting knowledge which is true but you did misunderstand me. I was addressing a par meter because it had been a common topic in the last few pages as most home growers or even commercial growers cannot afford the 10k-100,000 k light testing equipment. I still think a par meter is a great way to keep an eye on your canopy saturation and light on target. As long as you know the technology you running is powered to its potential.
 

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Search the thread for tenthirty's posts - I believe that he is getting about 1.3gpw and seeing equivalent yields to his 600w hps with better quality.
 

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Rives, if I may inquire, how does the 315 compare to 432w hot5? As you know, I mix a variety of aquarium bulbs during flower. But bulb replacement is ~ $160 a year

What is cost of full 315 set up..., and, have you tried A 51s new all-white 190w covers 2 x 3 ($~550)

Here's my latest effort, with same strain. Best I've done.

Looking for more under 2 x 4

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I really don't know how it would compare, I've never used the Hot5. The only fluorescent fixture that I've used for flowering in recent years is my 330w PL-L fixture, and there is no valid comparison between the two. The PL-L does an nice job over a scrog, but the buds under the 315w are easily 2x-3x as large and these are 3-1/2' plants. We'll see in a few weeks, but I think that my yield under the 315w will be close to double what I saw from the PL-L fixture.

Cost of a 315 would be all over the map. Most of the commercial setups appear to be in the $5-600 range, but if you keep an eye on eBay and are handy at DIY, they can be done much cheaper. I think that the cheapest ballasts that I have found were around $35 each and I've found 930 lamps (not the Agro) for $20. The PGZ18 sockets are getting much easier to find, when I put my stuff together they were very difficult to source and I had to buy 10 of them as a minimum order. I used Bell Lighting hoods, which were the most expensive portion of the whole installation, but there are many cheaper options available.

The only commercial LED fixture that I have used is the Lumigrow ES330 that I bought to get some LED experience while I was putting my Hybrid fixture together, and again, there is no comparison between what it is capable of vs the 315.

Your plants look very nice!
 

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Ebay. Occasionally there are screaming deals on there from people who buy pallets of materials at auction and then sell them off on eBay. You have to know what you are looking for, and read between the lines a bit - for instance, there were some dual-ballasted parking lot ballast housings on there that had factory labels saying that they were autotransformer ballasts, and the seller's description mimicked the labeling, but the pictures clearly showed these electronic ballasts in the housings.
 

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Looks great, coloradoe! I'm obviously going to have to break my screen back out after I get tired of experimenting around with full-sized plants.

Here are a couple of Day 60 closeups, Purple Crack -

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coloradoe

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Looks great, coloradoe! I'm obviously going to have to break my screen back out after I get tired of experimenting around with full-sized plants.

Here are a couple of Day 60 closeups, Purple Crack -

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look great!!!!!
:tiphat: the strawberry kush doesnt yeild very well. but the Herojuana jack 33 on the left is filling out very nice.
 

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my plants from seed in veg under the cmh are looking great still, ready for transplant from one to 3 gallons, and into organic soil from nuetral media...
the leaves on these plants are HUGE and thick and waxy feeling!
 
not YET, but YES i plan on it

No good reason not to flower under them. This was grown under them.... massive trichome production. My only gripe is they don't seem bright enough, though Rives looks to be proving me wrong on that. I have 2 in a 4x4 tent, and I'm adding another 200w of LEDs.... why? Cause I have them and there's room :dance013:

Got a 6" & a 4" fan exhausting the tent... Canopy temps ~82F. Not optimal, but I have 830w goin (real watts on the LEDs, not the BS rating)

Oh, that bud was under the canopy btw
 

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