are you a "conspiracy theorist"?

[trichrider]

'Recent studies by psychologists and social scientists in the US and UK suggest that contrary to mainstream media stereotypes, those labeled “conspiracy theorists” appear to be saner than those who accept the official versions of contested events.'

'In short, the new study by Wood and Douglas suggests that the negative stereotype of the conspiracy theorist - a hostile fanatic wedded to the truth of his own fringe theory - accurately describes the people who defend the official account of 9/11, not those who dispute it.'

'In other words, people who use the terms “conspiracy theory” and “conspiracy theorist” as an insult are doing so as the result of a well-documented, undisputed, historically-real conspiracy by the CIA to cover up the JFK assassination. That campaign, by the way, was completely illegal, and the CIA officers involved were criminals; the CIA is barred from all domestic activities, yet routinely breaks the law to conduct domestic operations ranging from propaganda to assassinations.'


New studies: ‘Conspiracy theorists’ sane; government dupes crazy, hostile...

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/07/12/313399/conspiracy-theorists-vs-govt-dupes/

 

[resinryder]

Pretty easy to tell the difference between manure and bullshit.

 

[shawkmon]

if its composted

 

[INDODRO]

Just about anything that has to do with the government is bullshit! So many lies, hidden agendas, and greedy people.

 

[bentom187]

Here is another good article.




Everything Is Rigged: The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal EverThe Illuminati were amateurs. The second huge financial scandal of the year reveals the real international conspiracy: There's no price the big banks can't fix

Conspiracy theorists of the world, believers in the hidden hands of the Rothschilds and the Masons and the Illuminati, we skeptics owe you an apology. You were right. The players may be a little different, but your basic premise is correct: The world is a rigged game. We found this out in recent months, when a series of related corruption stories spilled out of the financial sector, suggesting the world's largest banks may be fixing the prices of, well, just about everything.

 

[idiit]

most of the "conspiracy theories" have substantial (concealed from mainstream) documentation and affidavits from insiders supporting them.

most of the purported "reality theories" proffered by msm ( 5 main corporations control global main stream media) are pure bull shit.



the depth and breadth of the globalists' true agenda and control of the sheeples' perceptions/perspectives is so huge that anyone who hasn't done sufficient research will find the pattern and scope of the bull shit to be inconceivable/unbelievable.



this cognitive subversion has been going on since before the middle ages (thousands of years). indeed, the very idea that mankind has been lied to and manipulated by hidden forces for thousands of years is in itself unbelievable to anyone who has not put in their research in off msm media sources.

i'm actually a "reality theorist" in a world where reality is called a conspiracy.

i'm a reality theorist.

 

[trichrider]

Pretty easy to tell the difference between manure and bullshit.

indeed. got a link? lol

 

[Wiggs Dannyboy]

From Merriam-Webster's dictionary:

con·spir·a·cy
noun \kən-ˈspir-ə-sē\

: a secret plan made by two or more people to do something that is harmful or illegal

: the act of secretly planning to do something that is harmful or illegal

I think it's pretty obvious that conspiracies happen all the time, going by the above definition. That being said... it's incredibly easy to make claims of conspiracy, of all sorts and manner. Because of this, the old adage "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" comes into play. The problem with conspiracy theories is that we, the public, who are presented with these claims very often just accept the claim without question.

For instance...I have to question the website you presented for evidence, as well as the author of the opinion piece. Did you look at his bio... it appears to me it was crafted in a way to make him seem to be an authority. But look at this part, "and has inspired feature stories and op-eds in the New York Times, the Christian Science Monitor, the Chicago Tribune, and other leading publications." It ties his name to some very important and legit news publications, and obviously is wanting you to think he has been published in them, but what it really says is that he "inspired" stories that were written in them. What the hell does that mean? If he had actually been published, why doesn't he just say that?

It is very easy for a person with some writing skills and intelligence and imagination to put together a conspiracy theory that on the surface seems plausible, even if it seems unlikely. Most often, if you dig deeper, and do some of your own research, you will discover that the original conspiracy theory was bunk, and was constructed as a piece of propaganda to influence your opinion. Caveat emptor applies here in spades.

Another important consideration when judging whether a conspiracy theory is correct is this question: How many people would have to have knowledge of said conspiracy for it to work? Every person involved in a conspiracy is one person who must remain silent. As the number grows, the likelihood of everybody involved in the conspiracy keeping silent is less and less, especially once the conspiracy starts getting questioned in the press, and potential prison sentences are discussed.

So...caveat emptor, people, caveat emptor. Don't buy everything that you hear....

 

[dj.scotfree]

I love this debate! Its funny that to be labeled a conspiracy theorist,.. you seem paranoid and out of touch with reality.. I think it is quite the contrary.. as this study shows. . I am just a realist.. and open minded.. some conspiracy theories have merit some do not.. Take the FACTS and develop your own conclusions from every situation.. Loved this post! k+ Thanks Trichrider!!!! Peace~ DJSF

PS: oh no.. wait till "they" see my signature, Let the conspiracy theorist labels fly..

 

[shawkmon]

i think our govt conspired to ruin the olympics for putin thru our media , just like new jersey gov conspired to fuck up the other guys day by blocking the bridge,

 

[Eureka Springs Organics]

If the come true then they are not theories.

I have been for well over a decade, and I have seen so many things come to light that were supposed "theories."

Don't believe what you are told, and question everything.

 

[trichrider]

when lies become more plausible than reality...your education fails.

“If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.”
― Mark Twain

Friedrich Nietzsche
“I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche

George Carlin
“The reason I talk to myself is because I’m the only one whose answers I accept.”
― George Carlin

S.E. Hinton
“I lie to myself all the time. But I never believe me.”
― S.E. Hinton, The Outsiders

Fyodor Dostoyevsky
“Above all, don't lie to yourself. The man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point that he cannot distinguish the truth within him, or around him, and so loses all respect for himself and for others. And having no respect he ceases to love.”
― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, The Brothers Karamazov: A Novel in Four Parts With Epilogue

Benjamin Disraeli
“There are three types of lies -- lies, damn lies, and statistics.”
― Benjamin Disraeli

Leo Tolstoy
“It is amazing how complete is the delusion that beauty is goodness.”
― Leo Tolstoy, The Kreutzer Sonata

Virginia Woolf
“If you do not tell the truth about yourself you cannot tell it about other people.”
― Virginia Woolf

William Blake
“A truth that's told with bad intent
Beats all the lies you can invent.”
― William Blake, Auguries of Innocence

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making the public believe lies...

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=2090E62F0A5381B4731D2090E62F0A5381B4731D

 

[HempKat]

Well I find the premise of the article kind of flawed. It tries to make the case that what the media reported and is widely accepted (that a group of terrorists were responsible for 9/11) is more irrational then the belief that the US government staged the whole thing. They do this by saying that "19 Arabs, none of whom could fly planes with any proficiency, pulled off the crime of the century under the direction of a guy on dialysis in a cave in Afghanistan" which is a huge distortion of reality. Firstly they were not all Arabs although a majority of them were. They didn't need to know how to fly proficiently, just how to steer the plane into a large building plus the ones doing the flying did take lessons. They weren't training for takeoffs and landings which are the areas that would require a great degree of proficiency. It wasn't the crime of the century really and it was discovered and ignored in advance using the same logic, that it would be ridiculous to believe a group of "towelheads" could actually pull it off. Generally speaking crimes of the century go totally unknown until they happen. Also they were not led by someone on Dialysis in a cave. All that wasn't true until after 9/11 and we started going after the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan just prior to Iraq. The reality is that 9/11 was pulled off by 19 people with deep enough convictions that they dedicated themselves to living among their enemies for years acting in ways they are opposed to in order to stay concealed all while getting the necessary training to pull it off and they were directed by a college educated multi millionaire son of Arab Aristocracy. Who prior to 9/11 helped form and lead the fighting force that the US helped to fend off invasion of the region by the Soviet Union.

Another major flaw is it focuses on reactions of people with regards to 9/11 mainly and presumes the anger displayed is about the audacity of anyone suggesting it happened differently. It never once considers the real and likely possibility that the reactions are more because America being attacked in America is a rare occurrence that Americans don't handle well. I imagine if you tried to suggest Pearl Harbor was staged by the Government people would react in a similar way. Yet I've never heard of anyone acting violently or insanely towards someone who believes JFK was killed by forces other then Oswald. Nor have I ever seen or heard of anyone acting violently towards people who believe the US covered up an Alien crash at Roswell or people that believe the Moon landing was faked. So maybe what they really discovered is people are more sensitive to some issues then others which most elementary school kids can tell you, you don't need social scientists to determine that.

Perhaps it was odd how the buildings went down on 9/11 but just how many jet plane crashes into tall buildings do we have to go by to be certain of what will and won't happen? It's one thing to try and calculate for such things on the drawing board but another matter entirely when it actually happens. Maybe the problem is people are seeing a conspiracy but not identifying it correctly? Maybe the real conspiracy is in all these things we think that have been declared safe are not as safe as we think? Maybe we've been sold a bill of goods by engineers? OR more likely maybe our infrastructure and buildings aren't all being built up to the safety standards they should be or that we think they are? Just like at the Deepwater Horizon spill which investigation is finding happened because the people building things cut corners to save money.

Sure though, blame it on the government, nobody trusts the government anymore even though we're the ones that created it and pick who gets to run it.

 

[candidly]

When the phrase "conspiracy theorist" is used (usually in conjunction with eye rolling and other signs of arrogance) to describe another, it's a sure sign that the person using the phrase is a naive, uninformed idiot. Only someone who's dumber than a fucking brick and completely out of touch with what the world is and how it actually works, actually believes the bullshit shoveled into their minds daily by the government and news media.

Our entire society is based on LIES. The label "conspiracy theorist" was invented by liars as a weapon to attack people who search for and speak the truth. It works because people are so God damned pathetically, desperately in need of "belonging" to something, that they will happily allow themselves to become pawns (as Stalin said, "useful idiots") in the war against truth. They willingly sell themselves to Satan in an instant just to satisfy the needs of their sad little egos.

These people will certainly be destroyed by their own stupidity and arrogance, of course, but you can't tell them that. You can't reason with someone who doesn't want to see or hear reason. You can only shake your head and sigh as they sleepwalk to their inevitable destruction.

 

[candidly]

HempKat, if you're so sure the 9/11 "conspiracy theories" are bullshit, then explain WTC Building 7. Really.

Also, what are the odds that the plane which hit the Pentagon, would hit the exact office containing records of billions of dollars of missing funds, an investigation into which had just been announced the day before? No office, no records, no survivors.....no investigation.

Stop wasting your words in the defense of liars.

 

[trichrider]

sure about that?

all flavors of koolaid... reap the rewards of the poll.



Psychologist Laurie Manwell of the University of Guelph agrees that the CIA-designed “conspiracy theory” label impedes cognitive function. She points out, in an article published in American Behavioral Scientist (2010), that anti-conspiracy people are unable to think clearly about such apparent state crimes against democracy as 9/11 due to their inability to process information that conflicts with pre-existing belief.

http://deusnexus.wordpress.com/2013/07/12/conspiracy-theorists-sane/
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Dead and Alive: Beliefs in Contradictory Conspiracy Theories Abstract:

Conspiracy theories can form a monological belief system: a self-sustaining world view comprised of a network of mutually supportive beliefs. The present research shows that even endorsement of mutually incompatible conspiracy theories are positively correlated. In Study 1(n= 137), the more participants believed that Princess Diana faked her own death, the more they believed that she was murdered. In Study 2 (n= 102), the more participants believed that Osama Bin Laden was already dead when U.S. special forces raided his compound in Pakistan, the more they believed he is still alive. Hierarchical regression models showed that mutually incompatible
conspiracy theories are positively associated because both are associated with the view that the authorities are engaged in a cover-up (Study 2). The monological nature of conspiracy belief appears to be driven not by conspiracy theories directly supporting one another, but by broader beliefs supporting conspiracy theories in general.

study here:
http://www.academia.edu/1207098/Dead_and_alive_Beliefs_in_contradictory_conspiracy_theories

 

[bentom187]

From Merriam-Webster's dictionary:

con·spir·a·cy
noun \kən-ˈspir-ə-sē\

: a secret plan made by two or more people to do something that is harmful or illegal

: the act of secretly planning to do something that is harmful or illegal

I think it's pretty obvious that conspiracies happen all the time, going by the above definition. That being said... it's incredibly easy to make claims of conspiracy, of all sorts and manner. Because of this, the old adage "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" comes into play. The problem with conspiracy theories is that we, the public, who are presented with these claims very often just accept the claim without question.

For instance...I have to question the website you presented for evidence, as well as the author of the opinion piece. Did you look at his bio... it appears to me it was crafted in a way to make him seem to be an authority. But look at this part, "and has inspired feature stories and op-eds in the New York Times, the Christian Science Monitor, the Chicago Tribune, and other leading publications." It ties his name to some very important and legit news publications, and obviously is wanting you to think he has been published in them, but what it really says is that he "inspired" stories that were written in them. What the hell does that mean? If he had actually been published, why doesn't he just say that?

It is very easy for a person with some writing skills and intelligence and imagination to put together a conspiracy theory that on the surface seems plausible, even if it seems unlikely. Most often, if you dig deeper, and do some of your own research, you will discover that the original conspiracy theory was bunk, and was constructed as a piece of propaganda to influence your opinion. Caveat emptor applies here in spades.

Another important consideration when judging whether a conspiracy theory is correct is this question: How many people would have to have knowledge of said conspiracy for it to work? Every person involved in a conspiracy is one person who must remain silent. As the number grows, the likelihood of everybody involved in the conspiracy keeping silent is less and less, especially once the conspiracy starts getting questioned in the press, and potential prison sentences are discussed.

So...caveat emptor, people, caveat emptor. Don't buy everything that you hear....

Yes the term is used out of context to degrade people a lot. They happen often and everywhere.

But where you go to debunk the info matters as well, because the main point most of us "conspiracy theorist" try to get across is that this conspiracy is common practice and embedded in our every day lives, its hidden out in the open, so what might seem like a legit publication is simply the widest distributed form of propaganda and fits the narrative of the fraud. Further they have two narratives for the politically inclined so it will match those too but each will enrage the other side but have the same preplanned outcome.Like Romney promoting a republican healthcare plan, that ultimately is not capable of forcing any issuer to provide anything.
So the outcome was the polar opposite of its intent and your paying for it and it does not matter which side of the political spectrum you support, your getting a healthcare plan good, bad or useless.

Alynsky /Delphi technique
Exposing the Delphi Technique in Public Meetings.mov
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42 U.S. Code § 18115 - Freedom not to participate in Federal health insurance programs

No individual, company, business, nonprofit entity, or health insurance issuer offering group or individual health insurance coverage shall be required to participate in any Federal health insurance program created under this Act (or any amendments made by this Act), or in any Federal health insurance program expanded by this Act (or any such amendments), and there shall be no penalty or fine imposed upon any such issuer for choosing not to participate in such programs.

We are conditioned that way, as unquestioning and obedient chattel. So obscured facts and psychological programming are our biggest hurdles.

The Purpose Of Schooling – John Taylor Gatto

John Taylor Gatto (born December 15, 1935) is a retired American school teacher with nearly 30 years experience in the classroom, and author of several books on education. He is an activist critical of compulsory schooling, of the perceived divide between the teen years and adulthood, and of what he characterizes as the hegemonic nature of discourse on education and the education professions…. What does the school do with the children? Gatto states the following assertions in “Dumbing Us Down”: It makes the children confused. It presents an incoherent ensemble of information that the child needs to memorize to stay in school. Apart from the tests and trials that programming is similar to the television, it fills almost all the “free” time of children. One sees and hears something, only to forget it again. It teaches them to accept their class affiliation. It makes them indifferent. It makes them emotionally dependent. It makes them intellectually dependent. It teaches them a kind of self-confidence that requires constant confirmation by experts (provisional self-esteem). It makes it clear to them that they cannot hide, because they are always supervised. -

John Taylor Gatto - The Purpose Of Schooling
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[Eureka Springs Organics]

HempKat, if you're so sure the 9/11 "conspiracy theories" are bullshit, then explain WTC Building 7. Really.

Also, what are the odds that the plane which hit the Pentagon, would hit the exact office containing records of billions of dollars of missing funds, an investigation into which had just been announced the day before? No office, no records, no survivors.....no investigation.

Stop wasting your words in the defense of liars.

I can explain WTC 7. The charges did not go off when they were suppose to.

Shit was faker than Donald Trumps hair.

 

[dj.scotfree]

This is the basis of my whole philosophy/ religion/ basis of life... WE get to choose whether we are animals or gods on this earth.. and well.. take the facts.. learn what your learn.. and believe what you want.. but progression is where it is at.. to limit and or stifle your thinking because of preconceived notions.. LMFAO Is our world still FLAT? Oh and marijuana is dangerous.. he he

 

[bentom187]

Sure though, blame it on the government, nobody trusts the government anymore even though we're the ones that created it and pick who gets to run it.

I nor you created that beast and we certainly don't get to choose who runs it that's by electoral votes.Its a corporate trust ,its there for the founders and their posterity not you or me anyway.All those amendments and US codes are rules for fiduciaries, people with oaths to it. You have not been made aware of how you are subject to those rules but it begins at birth and its fraud. Ill leave it at that.


I don't prefer rule of the many or the few so a democracy or a republic is slavery and a moot point especially when you use collateralized debt obligations as money, but it is a republic technically.
Further a dangerous idea would be that the government is us somehow, or we are obliged to follow it at all.

Murray Rothbard - The Government Is Not Us
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Its a 3rd party extortion racket to all of life.