lanthanum and cerium synergy with triacontanol

[shaggyballs]

Anyone familiar with this synergy ?

 

[omera1]

Do you have something to read?

 

[omera1]

Ok, found something... But this stuff is very hard to get.

 

[shaggyballs]

Triacontanol and rare earth minerals, work together to stimulate a massive final bloom of developing flowers.

http://www.google.com.br/patents/US4333758
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...8oCQAg&usg=AFQjCNEuIJjkJFzoo8PKSiQJGcmq7nRXKQ
http://www.skk-banjaluckapivara.com...nol_plant_growth_stimulator_formulations.html
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...joHwAg&usg=AFQjCNHZXazPORuhYqSAWG7ofjQkbahoQg

Not much info out there!!

 

[Only Ornamental]

But this stuff is very hard to get.

Not true. Cerium and to a lesser amount lanthanum are used as alloy (called ferrocerium, see Wiki) to make 'flint stones' for cigarette lighters. Those could readily be dissolved in sulfuric acid to make water soluble salts and used to convert your plants into heavy metal empoisoned toxic junk... just saying...

 

[ganjourno]

If you read the patent, it says one of the most effective ions to use was calcium in the form of calcium chloride. This is just about the cheapest salt there is, because it is what they use for road de-icing. I have some tria and will source some CaCl as per the instructions in the patent and give this a shot...

 

[shaggyballs]

If you read the patent, it says one of the most effective ions to use was calcium in the form of calcium chloride. This is just about the cheapest salt there is, because it is what they use for road de-icing. I have some tria and will source some CaCl as per the instructions in the patent and give this a shot...

I haven't tried it yet!
More info here!!!!
Taking Triacontanol to the Next Level

I mixed the calcium nitrate version,just not ready for a side by side.

 

[shaggyballs]

Lanthanum Nitrate Hexahydrate
http://datasheets.scbt.com/sc-252944.pdf

 

[ganjourno]

I have the CaCl ready to go (unscented damprid refill is CaCl), but I can't find my little packet of tria so looks like I will need to recorder.

 

[shaggyballs]

Not true. Cerium and to a lesser amount lanthanum are used as alloy (called ferrocerium, see Wiki) to make 'flint stones' for cigarette lighters. Those could readily be dissolved in sulfuric acid to make water soluble salts and used to convert your plants into heavy metal empoisoned toxic junk... just saying...

So maybe this is one of those needless thing we are convinced we need and are just being misinformed.

With all the info I read and posted could it not have any merit at all in nano amounts as a synergistic element with TRIA.???

From my notes it would seem a lot of micro's are poison at higher concentration also.

Oh ya!
I would make another TRIA. thread but I can't think of a good title.

 

[Only Ornamental]

A: With all the info I read and posted could it not have any merit at all in nano amounts as a synergistic element with TRIA.???

B: From my notes it would seem a lot of micro's are poison at higher concentration also.

C: I would make another TRIA. thread but I can't think of a good title.

A: It could. Many heavy metals do strange things, bind to receptors, replace catalytic metals in proteins, but most of all, they are toxic. Sometimes, these effects are rather selective at a given concentration and in a specific species or an certain type of in vitro experiment; though usually, they are just harmful. Look for example at arsenic (no heavy metal but a metalloid/semi-metal), take a little bit and you'll look great (nicely coloured cheeks for instance), take more or over a long period and you'll .
B: Right, most are. But cerium and lanthanum play no biological role and hence are no 'micros'. Nature got it right, every major mineral nutrient is used and/or 'properly dealt with' to avoid intoxication. Many trace elements have a use but aren't specifically detoxified because they usually don't pose a threat due their low concentration. Spray cerium or lanthanum on your weed and you'll be quickly over the limit.

C: You could open a TRIA thread asking about bees wax (~40% esterified triacontanol) as depot form of TRIA .

 

[NorCalDreaming]

A few years back I was doing a lot of research on a project and came across a lot of information about rare earth elements. If you dig deeper you'll find that lanthanum use in China is very popular in agriculture yet also believe they have heavy metal issues of some sort because of over use. Something like that.

This link goes into a lot on animal husbandry. It's been a few years since I read this pdf. I remember it as being pretty good. It's titled Rare Earth Elements in Agriculture with Emphasis on Animal Husbandry. There's a lot of links to this document with a Google search.

http://d-nb.info/98212497X/34

 

[NorCalDreaming]

Look for example at arsenic (no heavy metal but a metalloid/semi-metal), take a little bit and you'll look great (nicely coloured cheeks for instance), take more or over a long period and you'll .

I've dealt with arsenic in food testing for years. There's actually organic and inorganic forms in a class called arsenates. I know Japan is only interested in arsenic trioxide levels. I can run the same sample in a lab using two different test methods. One method shows the total and the other the inorganic form. The total is usually about 10x higher than the inorganic value. That's the terms people use...organic and inorganic.

 

[Only Ornamental]

What I meant was the inorganic form (i.e. arsenic trioxide). It has been used somewhen in the 17th century (if I remember correctly, but I guess I don't ) as a 'health booster' because of the good look people get with a slight intoxication...
Like many other toxic metals, it forms complexes with proteins and other organic matter. Theoretically, arsenic can substitute sulfur; but that's a very rare case only observed in considerable amounts in one bacteria species.
I put that only in as an example of seemingly 'good stuff'. Like, if China sprays it on their crop, is it good? They also spray about a hundred other agrochemicals and pesticides on their food which are prohibited in the rest of the world for years (and sometimes even in China). There was that pic in the Super Duper Funny Pictures Thread of a Chinese guy who produces smoked meat by hanging it (no, not in a smokehouse) on his balcony because he loves the smell of smog! I'm sure the smog there will pretty well conserve it LoL.

A butcher in some Chinese province hangs his bacon outside the apartment as he reckons that the city smog & pollution gives the bacon a nice flavour . More smogged than smoked .

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Dam, cut my finger today and writing with a band-aid is a bitch... always hit the wrong keys ;( .

 

[NorCalDreaming]

China is messed up yet best I can figure they have more large scale experience and associated research with REE's than anyone else.

 

[Only Ornamental]

Yea, such things are way easier without an ethics commission or people who could complain...

 

[shaggyballs]

But cerium and lanthanum play no biological role and hence are no 'micros'.

This dosen't look like something for the common man to be messin with.
But it still holds my interest!
Thank you gentleman for stopping in, the conversation was great!!!!!!!!!!

I have heard China holds most of the rare earth.

But that PIC........WHAT THE PUCK!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Only Ornamental]

I have heard China holds most of the rare earth.

They do. And many such elements are used in computers, smartphones, HID lights etc. and are already getting rare. If China starts to restrict the export even further, many tech companies will be screwed...
Therefore and if you're not yet enough encouraged by conservation to properly recycle your stuff, this should do the trick!

 

[milkyjoe]

Tria and CaCl = Ca25 (recommended and used heavily in the big plant outdoor thread). I would never spray a Cl salt on my plant...but many do.

 

[Only Ornamental]

Using chloride ions does no harm. Organically bound chlorine on the other hand may pose an issue especially when smoked.