Carb caps? Low temp dabbing?

[RHH]

To those that are using this setup...

What temps are y'all using?
I've found 500° C/ about 950° F to be pretty nice.

I'm curious to what others are using though...
Was thinking to bump it up to 1000° F.

Thoughts?
Feedback?

I do still use my quartz domeless mini-rig for my sleep/pain dabs. But I use that because it's sooooo convenient and small, only need my nice and quiet mini torch.
Krunch, you got me thinking.....

Heyooo, lookin' good my man!

Love the setup. I'm using it at ~550F and leaving it on 24/7 in the office. It made it so much easier when the 5 of us would sit down and dab together.

The mypin ta4 is a gem but I think there are better ideas for electric nails out there.

I was thinking about using a texas instruments MSP430 microcontroller's to PWM a MOSFET to power a heating element. The element would be a quartz heater with nichrome inside.

Check out the raspberry hi project!

 

[CannaScience]

I suppose that stoner logic makes at least a little sense RHH
Rather science than not.

Carb-capping certainly intrigues me but I don't like the idea of all that waste.

I don't have an electric nail only useless Titanium + torch with an IR heat sensor. I dab

I'm still a little confused about the "more heat = narcotic" & "less heat = heady" situation, unless it's caused by more rapid degradation of THC into CBN? But since we're flash vaporizing I wouldn't have thought this much of an issue.
Any takers?

I'm also wondering how profound the Leidenfrost effect can be when dabbing? Perhaps if the oil experiences leidenfrost then the compounds are exposed to heat for longer without being vaporised and are as such more likely to degenerate/denature?

I really want to carb-cap mainly because people are going on about a 'taste senation', but I dab usually around 680F I don't know how much lower I should go without wasting all my oil through post-dab vapors floating off the still warm nail.

 

[jackgastche]

I usually carb cap my dome with my thumb rather than my domeless with my actual carb cap because I just don't like my domeless very much. When I first started there was a bit of waste because I couldn't get the timing, temps and size of my dose correct. I also wasn't doing it quite right at first and was essentially sealing off the dome with my thumb and letting no airflow through which did not work and just caused big pools. Now I cover the dome pretty much all the way but I don't seal off airflow, letting a bit of my thumb raise up around the rim (not the best description, I know). If timed correctly, the rest of the oil vaporizes fully.

Its easier to get it down to a science with an enail for sure, but you can get the hang of it pretty well through trial and error and its definitely worth it once you do. Taste isn't the biggest deal for me because I view my daily inhalation the same way I viewed the other medications I used to take for my condition, its just something that I have to do, but i will say the taste is definitely stronger with low temperatures. The biggest thing for me with low temp vaporization is that it is much easier on the lungs/throat (didn't have problems before with high temps but low temps achieve the same thing and feel much better).

 

[CannaScience]

Hmm, interesting. I too have only the experience using my thumb or a bit of random something to cover my dome.

I'll have to do some more testing.

What is the correct temperature for low temp dabs vs ..high(normal?) temp dabs?

 

[jackgastche]

I'll grab the IR thermometer tonight when I take my dose and check. I pretty much go off of timers now but it'd be nice to see. For my 18mm HE v3 I wait 37 seconds after the nail was glowing red. It really seemed like too long when I first tried it but it works every time for me now.

I hate how nontechnical this description has been so maybe someone with a working enail can give you a better description.

 

[SkyHighLer]

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I really want to carb-cap mainly because people are going on about a 'taste senation', but I dab usually around 680F I don't know how much lower I should go without wasting all my oil through post-dab vapors floating off the still warm nail.

Optimum flash vaporization temperatures...

I recently upgraded my 'Station Man Flash Vaporizer' to a digital head with five temperature presets, the Hakko FX-888D. The useful band I've found is about 622F to 710F, lower is too slow, and higher produces soot. A Hakko FG-100 soldering tip thermometer (Type K thermocouple) is used for calibration. A big, wide surface Hakko T18-C5 replacement soldering tip is employed with little sign of wear after a year's use. To get the soldering iron to fit backwards into the stand I bored out the hole of the stand's holder with Dremel sanding drums and polishing tools.

Pictured are the preset temperatures I've choosen with the optimum, 666F/352.22C, being central.

 

[CannaScience]

Wonderful thanks SkyHighLer. Long time fan here .

I'm usually 680 which isn't far off, 710 when I feel like being 'fun'

I suppose then, if one dabs at these temperatures with a nail setup without the need to carb-cap i.e. all oil vapes straight off the dabber, that carb-capping would be of no benefit?

As I said before I tend to string/snake out my dabs so it's like hitting the nail with a long cylinder or sorts. Is it/would it be more beneficial/tasty/efficient if I were to place the dab on the nail all at once and cover with a carp cap, instead of vaping with an open top slowly dabbing the snake/string till I reach the tip of the dabber?

 

[SkyHighLer]

Wonderful thanks SkyHighLer. Long time fan here .

I'm usually 680 which isn't far off, 710 when I feel like being 'fun'

I suppose then, if one dabs at these temperatures with a nail setup without the need to carb-cap i.e. all oil vapes straight off the dabber, that carb-capping would be of no benefit?

As I said before I tend to string/snake out my dabs so it's like hitting the nail with a long cylinder or sorts. Is it/would it be more beneficial/tasty/efficient if I were to place the dab on the nail all at once and cover with a carp cap, instead of vaping with an open top slowly dabbing the snake/string till I reach the tip of the dabber?

If it works, it works. Have you ever seen how a pipe smoker will place his thumb over the bowl to get things all fired up? Probably all a carb cap does, but it works, so carry on...

 

[KonradZuse]

Optimum flash vaporization temperatures...

I recently upgraded my 'Station Man Flash Vaporizer' to a digital head with five temperature presets, the Hakko FX-888D. The useful band I've found is about 622F to 710F, lower is too slow, and higher produces soot. A Hakko FG-100 soldering tip thermometer (Type K thermocouple) is used for calibration. A big, wide surface Hakko T18-C5 replacement soldering tip is employed with little sign of wear after a year's use. To get the soldering iron to fit backwards into the stand I bored out the hole of the stand's holder with Dremel sanding drums and polishing tools.

Pictured are the preset temperatures I've choosen with the optimum, 666F/352.22C, being central.

Now, I've always been curious why concentrates need a much higher temp. THC's Flashpoint is 300.2F and boiling point is 320F or so I believe, and combustion occurs at 446F.

With hash I've noticed I always needed a higher temp, and it's the same with oil. Why almost 2x the heat, not too sure.

 

[dreaded]

** Sorry to change the subject **

SkyHighLer..... I noticed your Health Stone in your pics...
Thats the same one i was thinking of getting....Can you tell me your thoughts on it.....
do you like using it...
its supposed to make the vapor cooler...the way its made...does it.
do you like it better than the rigs...
do you think its worth the money..
Thanks in advance...

 

[SkyHighLer]

** Sorry to change the subject **

SkyHighLer..... I noticed your Health Stone in your pics...
Thats the same one i was thinking of getting....Can you tell me your thoughts on it.....
do you like using it...
its supposed to make the vapor cooler...the way its made...does it.
do you like it better than the rigs...
do you think its worth the money..
Thanks in advance...

I bought a Health Stone setup for my Mobius Matrix (I was running a Ti nail with it,) and really liked the smoothness. I found taking some hits using a full size Vector torch every so often clears the Health Stone of unvaped oil while getting you very stoned. That was a year ago, about the same time I ordered the Hakko FX-888 soldering station and found it satisfied my needs, but couldn't resist picking up that Sherlock anyway, it's still virgin, and no I don't care to sell it...Health Stones do work, and work well. A Sherlock without the base would have been my first choice, Aqualab has a much better selection now...

 

[anonymousgrow]

The one hole carb cap kills it. The idea is that you are able to reduce the pressure and therefore reduce the boiling point of the chemicals in the dab. When you put the carb cap on your domeless nail it creates a little 'chamber' that the valid takes place in. The hole in the domeless nail is bigger than the hole in the carb cap so if you pull really hard on your rig you are pulling more air out of that 'chamber' than into it. This reduces the pressure, just as everything does, the cannabinoids and terpenes boil at lower temperatures under less pressure. This is why I like the one hole carb cap more than the three hole also. I imagine the sublimator does incredibly similar.

 

[itsblown]

The one hole carb cap kills it. The idea is that you are able to reduce the pressure and therefore reduce the boiling point of the chemicals in the dab. When you put the carb cap on your domeless nail it creates a little 'chamber' that the valid takes place in. The hole in the domeless nail is bigger than the hole in the carb cap so if you pull really hard on your rig you are pulling more air out of that 'chamber' than into it. This reduces the pressure, just as everything does, the cannabinoids and terpenes boil at lower temperatures under less pressure. This is why I like the one hole carb cap more than the three hole also. I imagine the sublimator does incredibly similar.

What is the benefit from lowering the boiling point though?

Just trying to figure out what the difference is between heating the nail up hotter to get to the needed boiling point without a carb cap. versus heating the nail up less and doing it at the lower temps with the carb cap

 

[hammalamma]

What is the benefit from lowering the boiling point though?

Just trying to figure out what the difference is between heating the nail up hotter to get to the needed boiling point without a carb cap. versus heating the nail up less and doing it at the lower temps with the carb cap

The same reason we vacuum purge, less heat is needed. Tastes better with the SAME effect, and a smaller dab will get you the same size hit.

 

[CannaScience]

I do get that, the whole lower temp better taste thing...

But to that end, would it not then be tastiest of all to simply vaporise oil using a conventional vaporiser at 'normal' temps (380-400)?
Better yet, a heated vacuum chamber?

Where's the crossover on time to vape Vs taste/terp preservation?

 

[SkyHighLer]

I do get that, the whole lower temp better taste thing...

But to that end, would it not then be tastiest of all to simply vaporise oil using a conventional vaporiser at 'normal' temps (380-400)?
Better yet, a heated vacuum chamber?

Where's the crossover on time to vape Vs taste/terp preservation?

"But to that end, would it not then be tastiest of all to simply vaporise oil using a conventional vaporiser at 'normal' temps (380-400)?"

Attempting to vaporize BHO at less than ~600F is going to be slow, longer than you can keep inhaling for... Another thing is when you vaporize that slow, the components of the oil vaporize in order of their boiling points, sweet terpenes first and hopefully just 'gunk' towards the end...I tried over and over ~450-550F, just doesn't work imo.

 

[rb extractors]

Hey guys,

got a chance to get some time under my belt using this product and I must say I've really enjoyed it.

http://www.gentlemansvapes.com/prod...p-fill-tool-dabber-certified-grade-2-titanium

it seasoned nicely, doesn't give off any residual off tastes like some I've tried, is a reasonable price, and shipped quickly.

I haven't found that I've needed the dabber portion as I tend to collect all sorts of dabber specific tools, but it makes it easy to hold onto and of course removes easily too.

 

[jdee]

Carb cap is nice but it would be even better if there was a way to vape the dab with the cap already on.

 

[krunchbubble]

What is the benefit from lowering the boiling point though?

Just trying to figure out what the difference is between heating the nail up hotter to get to the needed boiling point without a carb cap. versus heating the nail up less and doing it at the lower temps with the carb cap

Tastes better with the SAME effect, and a smaller dab will get you the same size hit.

I kindheartedly disagree with the statement of the "SAME" effect...

Higher nail temps = Stronger, narcotic, pain relieving high...
Lower nail temp = Racy, uppity, giggly, not long lasting high...

Try it!

Been dabbing exclusively for just about three years, ZERO flowers. Ive experimented so many different ways, temps, amount to dab ive got it down to a science...

 

[420Titanium]

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