Carb caps? Low temp dabbing?

[beakermuppet]

cool thread

 

[hammalamma]

To be fair to him, I thought carb capping was a novelty when I first heard about it. I didn't even want to try it when I saw it because I was so certain that I would just end up with a lot of unvaped oil on the nail. Anyways, I finally gave in about 2 months ago and tried it and now I can't imagine vaping without it.

Me too! But I didn't knock it till I tried it.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

If someone doesn't agree with an opinion I guess they are a hater?

I don't hate anyone.... I just think carb caps are silly.... grow some skin kid.

Last smoke shop I went into someone tried to sell me a Ti carb cap, looked so stupid overpriced and a big waste of time, same one from the OP's video.

It's science homie... Think about it.... Temperature raises in a vacuum. Carbing creates a vacuum inside of the dome, or on top of the nail with the cap. Raising the temperature quickly and allowing the oil to vape. Not hype, not a fad.

Science, efficiency and flavor.

 

[Permacultuure]

If someone doesn't agree with an opinion I guess they are a hater?

I don't hate anyone.... I just think carb caps are silly.... grow some skin kid.

Last smoke shop I went into someone tried to sell me a Ti carb cap, looked so stupid overpriced and a big waste of time, same one from the OP's video.

Have you tried a low temp dab? One with a temp controlled nail? If so you know that with low temps you can't get a nice milky pull.....unless you use a carb cap.

 

[itsblown]

I actually used one a lot nicer than the MyPin... I've seen lots of people unhappy with that controller, so I chose something else.

I notice mine doesn't drop temperature with a huge dab like the MyPin controller tends to do...

The hardest part was sourcing the heating element but everything else was pretty straight forward as long as you know your way around simple circuits.

studying to be an E.E. so hopefully I dont start a fire when I attempt this myself Mind sharing what heating element you used?

 

[Gray Wolf]

I will also have you guys try this..


Do a low temp dab and watch the oil pool up... Then just blow on this puddle of oil and you will see the effect that directed air on it has.


I believe the single (or triple) hole directs the airflow over the surface of the oil puddle, and that helps vape the oil off.

If you use an oil well and wand dabbing system, and a brand new titanium wand that is seasoned, but not worn in, when you first touch the pool with the hot wand, there is no observable vapor.

However, as soon as you draw on it, and the relative pressure falls, it bursts into vapor, so I suspect both principles are probably involved.

As soon as you put the cap on and draw, not only does it thin out the pool by blowing it away from the injection hole, but it drops the relative pressure.

 

[gnetix]

Do these work with my 14mm dab essentials domeless?

 

[HighStateToke]

It just looks like it lets less air get in, thats why it looks like it milked up more when really your just adding drag and getting less air mixed in.

To each their own, and I see no use in these carb caps other then saving smoke wafting up lol, huge waste of time.

Less foreign air=higher vapor ratio per hit=more flavor.

This is what makes carb caps so great, they allow you to dab at a relatively low temperature. Without the cap, you wouldn't be able to inhale for the entire duration of the vaporization, OR if you are able to, you've just inhaled half a lung full of vapor, and the rest of outside air! Making your hit dramatically less flavorful. Think of drinking a cup of water with 1g of salt, now fill your glass with two cups, less salty?

 

[HighStateToke]

It's science homie... Think about it.... Temperature raises in a vacuum. Carbing creates a vacuum inside of the dome, or on top of the nail with the cap. Raising the temperature quickly and allowing the oil to vape. Not hype, not a fad.

Science, efficiency and flavor.

I really do not think the conditions involving a carb cap and a dabber are remotely close to creating a vacuum which has the potential to increase heat. The increased vapor you are seeing once a carb cap is placed on the nail/dome is due to a higher concentration of vapor within the vapor/air stream.

 

[TickleMyBalls]

Um, you think oil goes from below vaporization temperature, to milky full vapor hits is due to a concentration of vapor?

Have you personally watched oil sit and melt on a nail with no vapor at all, and then got a full milky vapor hit after Carbing it? Or is this just your theory? Cause I use a toro macro with a clear top hat dome. So I can see exactly how the oil reacts when I drop a piece on the ti and then carb it.

 

[HighStateToke]

Sigh. You just aren't seeing the vapor come off.

It's science homie... Think about it.... Temperature raises in a vacuum. Carbing creates a vacuum inside of the dome, or on top of the nail with the cap. Raising the temperature quickly and allowing the oil to vape. Not hype, not a fad.

Science, efficiency and flavor.

Not only that, but a vacuum actually lowers the boiling point of substances.

 

[CannaScience]

I stretch out my dabs into long spaghetti-like string shape, when I reach the point of my dabber, all the oil is gone.

I wait a good 45-60 seconds between heating and dabbing and I make sure to heat in the dark when I can to watch for that dull red glow more easily.

I have tried carb-capping but nothing happens since all the oil is gone already.

Am I doing something wrong?

How much lower temperature does this allow one to dab without wastage (because I've seen a lot of videos of carb-capping people who still release plumes of vapor after they are 'finished').

I don't know I never normally do dabs bigger than 0.2g so perhaps my dabs aren't big enough to pool up on the nail?
Equally I've never had an issue inhaling for 30+seconds at a steady pace in order to do finish an extra long string of oil. Maybe people prefer the sensation of 'ripping' a piece instead?

I don't know I think I'm doing my carb-capping all wrong any tips? Don't want to miss out on teh goodness if there's any to be had.

 

[Gray Wolf]

Sigh. You just aren't seeing the vapor come off.



Not only that, but a vacuum actually lowers the boiling point of substances.

Or it comes off more densely, because you lowered the boiling point, making it boil more rapidly.

 

[krunchbubble]

Cant stand the carb cap or any electric nail....

If you like a bullshit 10 minute, racy high, then hey!!!

They DONT get hot enough to produce a narcotic high, that would relieve pain/anxiety or let you go to sleep....

Try taking some hits off a vape pen/carb cap/electric nail before you go to sleep and see what happens. Just a racy 10 minute high, then sober...

 

[jackgastche]

Cant stand the carb cap or any electric nail....

If you like a bullshit 10 minute, racy high, then hey!!!

They DONT get hot enough to produce a narcotic high, that would relieve pain/anxiety or let you go to sleep....

Try taking some hits off a vape pen/carb cap/electric nail before you go to sleep and see what happens. Just a racy 10 minute high, then sober...

Used to think the same about the carb caps, but im glad I tried it and got the hang of it because low temp dabbing works better for me. Just as effective in every way and much easier on my lungs, plus I use less now. Maybe it isn't for everyone though.

 

[CannaScience]

What does heat have to do with the narcotic effect of the high?

Unless you're talking about hot enough to combust?

In the case of vaporisation can temperature have an affect on medicinal properties?

Also how do you carb-cap because my oil always disappears off the dabber and through the rig before I can even get the carb-cap to cover it.

Also I've noticed in more or less every carb-cap video that there are MASSIVE plumes of what look like vapour escaping off into the atmosphere.
Seems wasteful?

 

[RHH]

What does heat have to do with the narcotic effect of the high?

Unless you're talking about hot enough to combust?

In the case of vaporisation can temperature have an affect on medicinal properties?

Also how do you carb-cap because my oil always disappears off the dabber and through the rig before I can even get the carb-cap to cover it.

Also I've noticed in more or less every carb-cap video that there are MASSIVE plumes of what look like vapour escaping off into the atmosphere.
Seems wasteful?

*caution: stoner science ahead*

I don't think it's the heat but what he's talking about is a real effect. I've spent the last 15 years pondering what the dose-response curve of THC looks like.

Here's my whack theory: Inhalation is the fastest drug delivery route(yes, its faster than IV). THC reaches the left ventricle of your heart from your lungs and is pumped through the internal/external carotid arteries to your brain. You then have ~15 seconds of THC in your brain before it redistributes to the rest of your body and the concentration in your brain drops to sub-therapeutic levels. It takes roughly 1 minute for blood to make a roundtrip through your body.

Because of these kinetics I'm inclined to believe that the maximum concentration of THC in your brain plays a serious role in how high you get. It is NOT the total amount of THC consumed. This is why smoking 3g of schwag will never get you as high as smoking 0.3g of OG buds--because the maximum concentration is lower.

While I disagree that an electric nail can't get "hot enough"(a nichrome heating element can reach 1000F no problem, how hot do you dab at?) I can see how a vape pen can't burn through concentrate as fast as a rig...thus lowering your effective 'peak THC' level.

This is all conjecture. There's a lot more questions about the diffusion kinetics of THC from the lungs into the bloodstream and whether its diffusion limited or perfusion limited absorption(google it).

Either way, I convinced my friend to order 500 carb caps from a titanium vendor. If he gets vendor status here he will post a link.

 

[krunchbubble]

What does heat have to do with the narcotic effect of the high?

Unless you're talking about hot enough to combust?

In the case of vaporisation can temperature have an affect on medicinal properties?

Also how do you carb-cap because my oil always disappears off the dabber and through the rig before I can even get the carb-cap to cover it.

Also I've noticed in more or less every carb-cap video that there are MASSIVE plumes of what look like vapour escaping off into the atmosphere.
Seems wasteful?

1 - If the nail does not get hot enough(not to the point of the nail glowing), it gives you a more uppity, very short high. If the nail gets to the point of glowing red, it will give you a more pain relieving, sleep inducing high...

2 - I guess, talking about taking dabs here...

3 - Absolutely!

4 - Not sure...

5 - Yup!!

 

[Sirdabsalot46n2]

Well damn, I thought I was special.
Guess I'm a just another dabber in the wind....

Hehe...y'all are pretty dam kewl.

 

[Sirdabsalot46n2]

To those that are using this setup...

What temps are y'all using?
I've found 500° C/ about 950° F to be pretty nice.

I'm curious to what others are using though...
Was thinking to bump it up to 1000° F.

Thoughts?
Feedback?

I do still use my quartz domeless mini-rig for my sleep/pain dabs. But I use that because it's sooooo convenient and small, only need my nice and quiet mini torch.
Krunch, you got me thinking.....