made some QWISO,more like hash...???dont get it

[fatburt]

so i made some QWISO today,put my trim in a mason jar,filled with pure alcohol,shook for 20 seconds,then strain into a pyrex dish,then put into a double boiler and evaporated off the alcohol....the oil is gritty and looks more like black hash...i have made weed oil,but not the 20 second thing,more like an hour soak,turned into black oil...made butane honey oil as well,turned into golden honey oil...but this stuff looks very wierd,not oil at all,but swear it looks like gum hash

here are a couple pics...anyone know why it turned out this way?and is it still good to smoke?

 

[fatburt]

rolled into a ball....see what i mean?smells awesome 1but just never turned out like this before...i noticed when the alcohol was evaporating i noticed the crystals,looked like ice hash in the alcohol....

 

[RonSmooth]

Sometimes after I evap the alc. I will end up scraping up dried material that looks like kief.

I scrape it up, collect it, put it in parchment paper and put it in my wallet. After a few hours of sitting it gets pressed into a solid piece. This piece will either be shatter and crack when bent or it will be more hash like and pliable.

My most recent run, I ended up with something the consistency of honey. It never hardened and ended up the consistency of wax. I used all bud and a very short wash and the end result is very good.

The darker color is a result of low grade product and/or too long a wash. The consistency is determined by the purge.

 

[fatburt]

thanx rs,20 second wash?thats what i did,but i shook very vigorously,and now im reading you shouldnt shake hard,and only for 15-20 seconds

 

[m314]

Did you filter the iso after straining? I use a wire mesh strainer and then run it through a coffee filter before evaporating. What's the quality like with smoking or vaporizing? Assuming you've tried it.

You can do a second extraction on the same material if you've saved it. A 20 second wash leaves a lot of THC behind. I like doing an overnight extraction on the second run to make oil for tinctures.

 

[pappy masonjar]

Ive never had any come out quite like that. But ISO can look a lot of different ways.
As long as it melts immediately, smokes clean, and leaves nothing but the smallest bit of snow white ash.. thats what matters.

Heres some pics of some QWISO's ive made recently

(the one on the right side is Kief, not ISO)

These next 2 are the same. The first one is just straight out of the fridge. It melts at room temp if left out)

The top being the best, and the bottom the worst. Imo.

 

[fatburt]

i used a mesh strainer and some cheesecloth...

 

[RonSmooth]

I dont shake. Just roll it around for a few seconds. The time from pouring in to pouring out is about 20 sec. I filter that through a wire strainer and then 2 paper towels.

Then I let the alcohol evaporate in a pyrex dish with a fan blowing on it.

I do second washes but the first wash always produces the best product.

 

[Sirdabsalot46n2]

Hello Burt.

May I offer my opinion?.

It seems to me that some material has gotten into the oil, probably snuck through the pores of the cheese cloth.
Does it melt cleanly? As in no ash/debris/residual after vaporized/combusted?
If you are getting some residual debris, then I believe you just got some plant material in there.

It still would be great to top your bowls off with, yeah?

When I make Qwiso, I do the typical quick wash by gently swirling the material in the alcohol for no more than 30 seconds, including your pour time.

I then use a sequence of filters....
First, a large holed ss mesh stainer to catch the material and let the solution pass through very quickly,
Then, another ss mesh strainer with a bit smaller holes...
Finally the solution is passed through a stack of 3 coffee filters.

This is done in sequence..
So, basically prep your work spot before you start..
Find a means of stacking the mentioned filters, so you can pour your solution straight through into a pyrex measuring cup.

You can use another stainless stainer to rest atop the Pyrex measuring cup (with pour spout), and lay your coffee filters on top for hands-free support.
The pour spout is efficient as the solution will not dribble down the side of the glass , losing yield.

I hope this helps.
Much respect.
I can post a pic of my set up if you'd like.

 

[fatburt]

Hello Burt.

May I offer my opinion?.

It seems to me that some material has gotten into the oil, probably snuck through the pores of the cheese cloth.
Does it melt cleanly? As in no ash/debris/residual after vaporized/combusted?
If you are getting some residual debris, then I believe you just got some plant material in there.

It still would be great to top your bowls off with, yeah?

When I make Qwiso, I do the typical quick wash by gently swirling the material in the alcohol for no more than 30 seconds, including your pour time.

I then use a sequence of filters....
First, a large holed ss mesh stainer to catch the material and let the solution pass through very quickly,
Then, another ss mesh strainer with a bit smaller holes...
Finally the solution is passed through a stack of 3 coffee filters.

This is done in sequence..
So, basically prep your work spot before you start..
Find a means of stacking the mentioned filters, so you can pour your solution straight through into a pyrex measuring cup.

You can use another stainless stainer to rest atop the Pyrex measuring cup (with pour spout), and lay your coffee filters on top for hands-free support.
The pour spout is efficient as the solution will not dribble down the side of the glass , losing yield.

I hope this helps.
Much respect.
I can post a pic of my set up if you'd like.

i think you are right,i didnt have the proper set up,,,including pouring i prolly was more like 40+ seconds,and the only way i could quik pour to get all the alcohol from the plant material was to pour into the strainer and cheesecloth,and i was using bottom of the bag shake that had really broken down into almost powder...il get better stuff to work with and do a better set up...thanx for the tips

 

[Sirdabsalot46n2]

My pleasure Burt.

Glad to help.
Much respect.

 

[pappy masonjar]

Im not sure the timing of the soak made it look like that. I have done it for 2 minutes before and it just comes out darker.
Im thinking the reason for consistency has more to do with you evaporating it to quickly/hot.
Thats my guess anyways.

Just curious, you said the starting material wasnt the best, how old was it?

 

[fatburt]

ok,im really confused at thisnpoint...cause after dryin for 12 hours,this turned into pure hash!and i have made dry seive to know,,,,but htis is the best hash i have ever seen!its plyable,brown/black on the outside,but when you open it up it has that beautiful inner green/brown inside that too me is what i used to see back in the day...

im kind f gladi fucked up...all my friends agree!

i dont get it though....done iso before three times,and aleays let it sit in alcohol...turned pretty black..but was alright.....but this shit is damn good!AND IS HASH!

 

[fatburt]

take a look

 

[fatburt]

pictures dont do justice...its hash!
flash makes it looka lil different

i did 4 knife tokes this morning and had to go back to bed...that doesnt happen very often,,,,

 

[TheCleanGame]

Can we just use ethanol and put the iso away please?

It makes a cleaner, higher quality product.

Make dry-ice hash out of your bud and do an extraction/filtration with that. Uses less ethanol and cheaper in the long run. Great end product with proper filtering.

Keep it Clean!

 

[fatburt]

hard to get ethanol in my area in larger quantities

 

[m314]

Everclear 190 is easy to get online in the US. They don't sell it here in CA, but places like winechateau.com ship it here.

I don't have a problem with 99% isopropanol, though. I get better results with iso for smokable oil and edible oil. I just do an ethanol purge at the end to get rid of whatever trace amounts of iso are left. I mainly use Everclear for purging and for tinctures.

 

[TheCleanGame]

hard to get ethanol in my area in larger quantities

Hence the suggestion for making dry-ice hash first. Reduce your starting material 90% and you reduce your ethanol needs 90%.

Gray Wolf has a nice tutorial over at skunkpharmresearch.com on how to make a recovery still. That way you get 80% of your ethanol back as well.

(You can also use sugar, water and yeast and get a small fractional distillation science kit to pull the ethanol out.)

Keep it Clean!

 

[fatburt]

Hence the suggestion for making dry-ice hash first. Reduce your starting material 90% and you reduce your ethanol needs 90%.

Gray Wolf has a nice tutorial over at skunkpharmresearch.com on how to make a recovery still. That way you get 80% of your ethanol back as well.

(You can also use sugar, water and yeast and get a small fractional distillation science kit to pull the ethanol out.)

Keep it Clean!

yeah,but the work and materials needed are lots