vert fail

[grassott's dad]

howdy, welcome to my lousy thread

this is a 150w hps microvert /w fem seeds planted in soil.
instead of screens they are trained(and will be) to poles of the tent with wire, i do have sticks and more wire if extra support is needed but i think it could work in this scale.

ventilation with the usual inline fan and carbon filter. pc fan under bulb.

i know that many run 250 and some even 400 in 2x2 space, but for some reason i'm fond of 150, for now. ideally i'd like to have one of those new 210 watt philips cdm-elite mastercolors but they are a bit of pita to source.

that's all i can think of now, flipping pretty soon, just waiting the small one to pick it up.

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Hi mate. i'd forget the vert in your space/light. If you train one plant big enough under horizontal light you'd yield far more than vert. This is because you can easily fill out a horiz. canopy with just one plant, given your space/light (150w in a 2x2 tent = horiz all the way. Not enough space for vert). My gallery shows this.

IMO vert is for those with bigger lights, space and experience. Just my 2c

 

[non]

hi

one plant flat grow is in my plans at some point. i like to fiddle with different things.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day GD , GM1 , Sock Puppet

What a coincidence to see you posting again , and in a thread directly after myself contradicting my advice !

The Lord works in mysterious ways ...


@ Non

Originally Posted by DHF View Post
Well Bro.....Rule of thumb with bare bulbs hangin is tip of bulb even with tops of plants till end of stretch , and then top of socket even with tops of plants till end of cycle with the bulb dropped down to penetrate sideways into the canopy...

If you go back and visit that thread the quote comes from . You`ll see DHF recommending horizontal vegging with T5s . For close nodes . Then the lamp above to encourage vertical stretch .
As you don`t have that option getting more light to the plants will help more robust growth . DHF is decribing horizontal vegged plants with tight nodes that can then be stretched .
Your vegg arrangement as it was , does not maximise your lights output .
Some trellis or a cage around the lamp can save you a lot of heart ache from scorched buds .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[non]

yeah it makes sense, i lowered it since you last posted tho but that thread got me bit confused, quess read it too fast(or too little).

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Non

DHF added the extra info a day or so after your quote . lol .
It was like as if he read your thread then updated his explanation to be more thorough .

I agree with what he says . I`ve tried it and it does work .
You don`t have that option ATM so I looked at how to make your current set up more efficient .
You could use CFL`s as your vegg lights and keep them very close to the plant tops and achieve the tighter nodes DHF prescribes, and then switch to your vert for flower . CFL`s are rated at a good distance from the lamp for out put . Up close ie within a cm of the plants the out put is higher than the ratings on the packaging . 1 x 25 w per plant in vegg should be enough for your needs .

Those flowers in the pix look hefty . Sad they got scorched . The dead bits can go moldy more easily too and wreck the whole grow . So take the time to either make a cage around the lamp and or trellis the plants .
Best of luck going fwd .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[non]

i'll definitely want to avoid crisp this time i'll use a stiff wire to support/tie 'em back when the time comes and i'll hook that wire to the poles of the tent, too bad didn't think of it last time.

i do start veg flat with led, but seems i made the switch way too soon, but next time better.

edit: lols i was reading about the strain i picked for this run and found bad reviews and a seed bank of questionable integrity, fits the theme..however my last experience with this(og18) was good, so hope to find similar stuff, these are from the same pack.

 

[grassott's dad]

i'll definitely want to avoid crisp this time

Keep growing vert in such a small space and you'll get that crisp again I reckon. In that small space, training just one or two plants to cover the canopy with horiz light is the only way forward mate

 

[non]

no

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day non

There are many ways to skin a cat . Is a popular old saying in Australia .
For some one to tell you to do it their way, as yours cannot succeed, is a conceited position to take .
Even more so when the one making the proposal has no exp with the system they are advising on .

Once upon it was thought the world was flat too ...


Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Dropped Cat]

I like this thread:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=206397

Got me going in the right direction, vertical.

Grassott's Dad, I can't scrog 4 or five cultivars in a small box horizontally.

I can V scrog a few different girls in a small box. Yum.

 

[5th]

Keep growing vert in such a small space and you'll get that crisp again I reckon. In that small space, training just one or two plants to cover the canopy with horiz light is the only way forward mate

...this...this....is wrong on so many fukn' levels...

 

[Elmer Bud]

Originally Posted by grassott's dad View Post
Keep growing vert in such a small space and you'll get that crisp again I reckon. In that small space, training just one or two plants to cover the canopy with horiz light is the only way forward mate

...this...this....is wrong on so many fukn' levels...

G`day 5Th

Grassot`s Dad has just returned from his temporary banning with a vendetta against me .
Anything I say he will try to contradict . Even if it makes him look like an idiot .

He has a long history of giving bad information ,trolling , attempting to out forum members and posting other peoples plants and saying they are his .
He will reap what he sows ...


Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Midgar06]

looking good dude! pics are amazing! Gotta love vert.

 

[non]

i'm not really worried about crisp this time. it's winter, tent stays cool and the danger zone narrow, with little effort they can be trained away from getting too close to the bulb. that and some understanding of canopy management principles will lead to mediocre result at least, well hopefully.

 

[grassott's dad]

Grassot`s Dad has just returned from his temporary banning with a vendetta against me...

Don't flatter yourself dude I aint got nothing to say to you. You got DPD'd by pepper dude's tonic and I must say I salute him for telling the truth! Shame shame EB

@non
The title of your thread is called "vert fail" for a reason. No?

I too have grown in small 2x2 tents, I got pics of a huge single plant under a horizontal 125w cfl in 2x2 tent, but if you choose to listen to peeps who aint never grown in a tent before and don't even know the difference between cobwebs and trichomes then thats fine. Your grow not mine.

And for the record I aint against vert. Krusty's one of my favorite growers. It's just that doing vert with a hps bulb in a 2x2 tent will lead to "vert fail"

Sorry for trying to help. Didnt wanna step on anyone's toes

 

[non]

can you describe in detail why it's a no-no? for some mysterious reasons your intentions of helping seem questionable, but you can stay, we'll see how it goes.

 

[grassott's dad]

can you describe in detail why it's a no-no? for some mysterious reasons your intentions of helping seem questionable, but you can stay, we'll see how it goes.

Common sense dictates its a no-no because you don't have the space to grow big plants. As your plants get bigger they will grow closer to the hps, giving you crispy harsh tasting bud. Filling out the horizontal canopy avoids this but you knew this already right? I just thought it'd be good info for any new growers.

I'm not the one with bad intentions here mate, believe. All I've done is throw some good ideas around in your thread, based on my experience of 2x2 tent growing.

 

[non]

that crisp happened because i slacked in training/supporting them, not because it's impossible to avoid in such space, even i have managed to avoid it before.

now i could understand critique for diminishing returns with minivert compared to skilled grower's scrog screens in a similar space hitting 1gpw or over. not monocropping dialed cut and doing seeds instead is another thing too. but the crisp in itself can be avoided. for sure i'm no mastergrower, but i'm advancing to mediocrity and maybe beyond someday

i know this is obvious but a user with a rather, um colorful posting history is gonna get their comments taken with a grain of salt. i'm sorry if you we're misjudged, but there's no reason to believe otherwise for now.

 

[non]

i think i edited that last post enough, let's have pic for a change. tops of bigger 3 are leveled to the base of the bulb, but the dimensions seem somewhat weird in the pic.

if i remember correctly this strain will about double in size in this kind of setup, so flipping pretty soon but still giving them time to recover from that classic overwatering incident. maybe it was those cool ambient temps that fooled me as it can go down to 16 celsius/60 fahrenheits in there. or was it just me? thinking of insulating the tent from the floor, it doesn't drop lower than that in winter but a bit too cool still.

 

[Elmer Bud]

Don't flatter yourself dude I aint got nothing to say to you. You got DPD'd by pepper dude's tonic and I must say I salute him for telling the truth! Shame shame EB



Sorry for trying to help. Didnt wanna step on anyone's toes

G`day Grassot`s Dad , GM1 , Dr Pepper Dude and other sock puppets .

Using sock puppet accounts to slander people is pretty damn weak GM1 .
If you spent as much time actually learning about growing as you do trying to discredit others and cause disharmony you would be a master grower at this stage .

Thanks for sharin

EB .