Snowday's Sour Boggle x Killer Queen Redux Indoor Grow!

[snowday]

Hola amigos, I know its been a long time since I rapped at ya, but i thought I'd share what I'm hoping to be an excellent cross of two popular strains from great breeders:

Female Parent: BOG's Sour Boggle [Sour Bubble x (NL#5xBubblegum)]

Male Parent: Dutchgrown's Killer Queen Redux (DGS C99 x RES G13x)

As expected, both strains (all grown from seed) produced great results and lived up to my expectations for vigor, potency, and taste.

I kept most bud for sinsemilla but chucked pollen from the best KQR male onto the rockstar female SBG.

Selected Sour Boggle Mom:

The flowering photo above is of the SBG mom taken on day 28 of flowering. She reeked of bubblegum and fruit, and based on her structure and fragrance was estimated to lean heavily to the Sour Bubble/Bubblegum pheno with little NL influence. Her high after a 3 week cure was potent, relaxing, and a nice but not couchlocking body buzz with that quickly followed with a great cerebral feeling leaving the smoker "inspired but not wired". She was easily the most potent smoke of the entire Sour Boggle pack.

Selected KQR Male Parent:

It's not his best moment, but he dropped pollen like a champ and has the studliest characteristics I had to select from.

He had an earthy, piney flavor with plenty of pineapple fruit aroma; all of his female siblings were killer pineapple phenos that I've heard one is to look for in the KQR strain. Smoking him resulted in am immediate head high followed by transition to a nice body buzz that was felt gently but rapidly traveling down the spine from the frontal lobe, through the brain stem, and down through the lower back and throughout the periphery, relaxing the smoker as it traveled through the nerves. This selected male parent was assumed to be an even mix of C99/G13 and was ultimately selected for breeding due to vigor, balanced phenotypical representation of the strain, and (of course) heavy trichome development

Terpene profile of selected parents based on scraped stem olfactory evaluation (1-10 with 10 being maximum; scores of 2 or less were omitted):

Male KQR: Fruit-5 Pine-6 Spice-3 Earth-4 Musk-3
Femals SBG: Fruit-6 Bubblegum-7

The main female keeper of the last grow was the most pineapple reeking KQR (She's known as KQR2), which was also (to my extreme liking) the most potent. Plenty of clones of KQR2 were made using a perlite/wick cloner among other clones of selected genetics that weren't preserved via seed. Due to the grower's vacation absence, all Sour Boggle clones were lost but the best genetics live on through this new hybrid's seeds, which to date have produced two healthy seedlings:

The two seedling are shown with the vegging male clone of their dad. I have high hopes for this cross and will update this thread as things progress.

Does anyone know if these two strains have ever been crossed? I'm hoping I can backcross these back to the KQR male and/or my keeper KQR female, and if I'm lucky I can make F2s should I get one M and one F.

I also want to pull this cross further down the indica spectrum by crossing it to the Afghani x Black Domina (unsexed) seedlings I'm running, and to pull the SBGxKQRs up the sativa spectrum with an as-of-yet 100% sativa that I have yet to obtain. I managed to pop 1 out of 10 of the Sam the Skunkman's Original Haze x Skunk #1 freebies - it showed its tail after 10 days between moist sponges using a modified version of D.S. Toker MD's germ machine and I'm awaiting it's emergence from the soil with healthy cotyledons.

I think I'll have a indica dominant winner from one of the Afghani x Black Dominas to breed with this new (as of yet unnamed - want to smoke her for some inspiration first ) SBGxKQR strain. Any suggestions for the as of yet undetermined sativa dominant parent to outcross the next part of this little project? I'd like a clear, creative, non-racy, non-anxiety 100% sativa to use for that endeavour. I'm looking at DJ's F13, or something from ACE maybe. My mind is open.

Until then...

Cheers,
Snowday

 

[snowday]

Yes, I know DJ's F13 isn't 100% Sativa as someone may be compelled to point that out. I'm hoping this is the most appropriate forum for this thread as it's mostly going to be a grow show for this hybrid. The OHunk didn't make it - sadly the cotyledon browned within its split shell despite my careful attention not to over- or under-water it. Next time I'm putting any beans that pop between the sponges of my germination unit straight into the perlite of the wick cloner until sturdy and rooted enough to transplant to soil (which was the procedure successfully used for the two viable SBGxKQR beans that are the focus of this thread).

These two SBGxKQR plants are under 250W MH + 80W 6500K CFL along with the Black Domina x Afghani (these are actually Black Domina x Afghani x NONAME SBou freebies, but in the absence of information about these I'm ignoring the noname parent to avoid confusion and will be selecting their most desirable indica traits) seedlings and soon will be joined by cuts of the dankest pure KQR to get all of these new genetics and known female performers large enough for the flip.

My cab (4.5 sq ft) fits 8 two gallon containers, so I'll have plenty of spots if needed for:

- 2 individual phenos of the new SBG x KQR cross (unsexed)
- 3 individual phenos of Black Domina x Afghani x noname (unsexed)
- 1 or 2 of the most vigorous cuts of my keeper female KQR; depending on how many other female individuals I'll flower I may devote a much larger footprint (and soil container) to the keeper pineapple killer queen.

Right now everything's vegging out under said all-blue spectrum 330W. When it's time to flip, the selected ladies will be under 250W HPS + 120W 6500K CFL.

Here's the keeper KQR pheno I mentioned:

I know this is nothing too exciting at this point and look forward to posting pics of this hybrid when it has some size and structure to observe. The bud shots and smoke report will hopefully be worth the wait!

 

[dansbuds]

Sounds like a winning combo of genetics for sure !!! i love my cindy leaning KQR & the sour boggle .... is killer also . i'll keep watching should be an interesting show


any intentions of making seeds for the public ???

 

[snowday]

Thanks, dansbuds - iIf I get lucky and have a male and female SBG x KQR on my hands I'll definitely be making F2 seeds...depending on the quality of the F2 generation (which should be high based on the genetics I'm working with) I'd definitely be open to doing a seed run.

Depending on how these two sex I may be able to make seeds of the straight cross; it may be best to grow out the F2's and select the best individuals to make F3 seeds, which I would definitely want to share with the 'Bay. I can always cross this new hybrid back to KQR if I don't get a male and female. If I have 2 males I'll take the best and breed him with my keeper pineapple KQR; if I have 2 females I'll hit 'em with my KQR stud - in either case I'd wind up with a 75% KQR / 25% SBG (which isn't the worst hybrid to have a ton of in seed form) I'm keeping my fingers crossed for 1M & 1F so I can clone and breed F2s & F3s. I'm not yet skilled with selfing females with colloidal silver and would prefer to keep breeding the old fashioned way, so I'll be anxious to sex these SBGxKQRs ASAP so I can prepare accordingly.

I also want to outcross this toward the indica spectrum (hopefully with one of the Black Domina x Afghanis) as well as with something in the 75-100% sativa range (strain TBD - no genetics of that kink to work with at present). If the BDxAF turn out to be less than stellar I may grab a PCK from ACE or CBG to use for breeding (and hash!) for the indica project. I'm still underinformed and undecided about the right sativa to breed with. Maybe CBG Destroyer or ACE Golden Tiger. I'm sure any sativa I cross with the SBGxKQR will result in progeny with favorable flowering times for a mostly sativa hybrid, but it'll take most of this year to answer that question.

But I'm getting ahead of myself...I'll post more as this grow progresses. The KQRs I'm working with definitely show preflowers in veg, a trait I hope has been passed to these hybrids. Stay tuned for updates!

 

[dansbuds]

sounds good .... i'll be watching

 

[snowday]

There were some additional SBG x KQR beans that didn't appear as mature and viable as the ones that resulted in the two seedlings, so what the hell...they're in the soak now.

Here's how I roll; the remaining SBGxKQR seeds are in the soak shown and will go between the sponges once they've absorbed enough water to sink:

Here's the germ rig. The beans in this photo were the ill-fated OHunk freebs, but it shows that the apparatus provides a good environment for hydrated seeds. Opaque, warm, moist but not suffocatingly wet, and easy to maintain. Distilled H20 + 50mL H2O2 in the "reservoir". The sponges stay moist and at an acceptable temperature through humidity within the apparatus, which has everything to do with placing it upon a proper heat source (note the lid). Just a few container halves from Thai take-out!

Hopefully there will be a couple more viable SBG x KQR individuals in here. I want to ensure I have at least one male and female of this hybrid to breed F2s. Fingers crossed for taproot porn to post in a few days

 

[snowday]

Good news...after a 24 hour soak and less than 24 hours in the germination enclosure, there's new life:

Evidence of vigor, I hope. The three that popped taproots are already in the perlite wick cloner so they get plenty of moisture and air so as to minimize the chance of damping off in soil. I'm starting to get convinced this is the best method for ensuring maximum survival of seedlings and ensuring healthy cotyledons and roots have developed before they ever hit the soil.

Assuming these three all make it to flowering there will be at least 5 F1 SBG x KQR individuals, which makes it very likely I'll have at least one male and one female to make F2 seeds.

Until then...

 

[dansbuds]

I know Bogs gear is defenatly vigerous as far as germenating goes , i threw his medley mix in one side of my germ container & some S1's i had in the other side & within 3 days they were sprouts that had already shed their shells .

Bogs on the right , S1's on the left . the left side is usually what i see on a 3 day germ .

 

[snowday]

Wow...BOG is hardy as shit, that's for sure

Up to 4 new SBGxKQR sprouts for a total of 6 individuals now, here's the 4 new seedlings getting a taste of (diffuse) light and an easy place to root in the wick cloner:

The two slightly older siblings are doing their thang, and the odd leaf structure of the individual on the right is not unexpected given the tendency I've noticed for BOG's gear to show trifoliates, etc. when stressed. Perhaps it's an unwanted mutation, time will tell unless more experienced eyes can advise:

The pronounced serration was present in the previous photo of this one in the first post in the thread, but I'm surprised to see such asymmetry. No way I'm culling it without definitive reason; it could be the fire

 

[snowday]

Now that I think of it, temps got a bit high (~87) in the cab for about 12 hours (don't ask), so the MH is off and all are under 170W of 6500K CFL. Ventilation is fine, it's the open air hood that needs upgrading to a cooltube or ventilated hood.

The heat stress is the only environmental factor I can think of that would cause the seedling above to throw out the odd leaves at that node. Anywho. Pretty sure I'm gonna find a killer (pun intended) smoke in at least one of these.

 

[Tonygreen]

Ill tag along man, thinking of doing sour b x kqr, kqr finishes pretty fast and is super dense, nice one man!

 

[snowday]

Ill tag along man, thinking of doing sour b x kqr, kqr finishes pretty fast and is super dense, nice one man!

Thanks, Tonygreen - and DO IT!!! Always good to compare notes. I'd cross the Bubble if I had it. It would be great if you'd post in here and/or link to your thread if you make that cross.

 

[Tonygreen]

will do brother and good luck with these!

 

[dansbuds]

Tony , have you got the KQR ? if not let me know , i've got a nice cindy leaner . you've seen pics of her
i'd help make that cross possible . might even do it myself if my bubble seeds produce a nice male

 

[Tonygreen]

I have 4 beans left of her, first ever seeds I got from the boo! (kqr) the 7 I popped only 1 was a girl so im bettin theres a lady in there lol. She was a nice indica leaner, I thought she resembled rez pineapple mom alot from the pics I seen in his forum.

I liked that she finished fast and rock hard super dense nugs, the structure and features would blend well with the SB I thought adding that sledgehammer, plus idk but the girl I had smelled straight like grapefruit might blend well with the sour b terpene production, I was thinkin one of the lime green stretchy sour b phenos not the cornstalk.

I actually got a couple hundred kqr x my blue sat f3s I might pop a couple here. Loved that kqr mom, just like sour b, oz's look like halfs. Sadly didnt have sour b at the time yet like im bangin now.

Sadly I lost her to my noobish ways.

If Im not mistaken the sour boggle finishes fast too. Ill tell ya fellas I think that the thought that the fast flowering phenos have loss of potency is b.s. if the right selections are made. I would really love a true 7 weeker, have seen sporadic reports o 40 day finishers but never seen a pic. Thats my grail.

 

[snowday]

Belated update...nothing but bad news, I'm afraid.

Without going into detail, a short trip out of state turned into a multi-week trip for priorities that trumped all else.

As a result, everything dried out and died. All genetics, including the Sour Boggle x KQR, were lost. :violin

Since I'm feeling like a pimp, I went and brushed my shoulders off.

New beans and an air cooled reflector have since been acquired; suffice to say my resolve is unfuckwithable.

I'll start another thread once things get interesting - perhaps one day I'll get my hands on a pheno as potent, fast flowering, and fruity as the KQR I had. Until then! I'm gonna keep on selecting and breeding with what I got.

Namaste, all you pistil pimps.