Colorado Landlords: Pre-Building Grow Rooms for Your Tenants

[TheCleanGame]

Hey

Growing in Colorado is not going away and will only become more entrenched as time passes. I'm looking to start a discussion on economical and utilitarian grow room designs that landlords can build into the homes/apts they're renting/selling.

Some of the desired features would be:

- Smooth, waterproof/floodable floor with floor drain.

- Water access

- Pre-installed Ventilation hook ups

- Pre-wired 120V/240V outlets

Any other suggestions?

Basically looking for designs and materials that would allow tenants to grow while drastically reducing the potential 'damage' the can be done to the unit.

Thanks for the input

Keep it Clean!

 

[Coconutz]

Liability?
Insurance?

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

just to keep the regulatory morons at bay they should officially start a new trend and instead of them being "grow roms" per say, they can be put on the books as "walk in bathroom" or sauna rooms. as long as they have the fixtures in them to deal with moisture as those that are up to code with kitchens and bathrooms or places where there is running water then it should be something that can fly under the radar.

as long as these federal assholes are still out and about, and we all know how they are, then there is still going to be room for idiocy to occur.

but just as with any bathrooms you can have your light fixtures, outlets, drain, water source, ventilation and whatever else the builders would or could think to include in the build of it

maybe go old school and call it a water closet but it'll be like a 10x10 room or some shit like that.

I just foresee it being a problem if you list them as actual grow rooms, ppl are gonna want to charge extra rent for those units, may want to have more strict of a lease or any other "out of the wood work" type of thing you can think of.

I love the idea and I honestly think it can be done but there are a lot of worst case scenarios that have to be worked out

edit: I know its out there but its the only example I could think of, if you ever look at the way a Asian, Japanese specifically, bathroom or washroom is setup maybe something like that. completely tiled floor and the rest you already know

 

[TheCleanGame]

I just foresee it being a problem if you list them as actual grow rooms,

That'll come down to legalese as there are plenty of houses with greenhouses and indoor pools that are just fine.

ppl are gonna want to charge extra rent for those units, may want to have more strict of a lease or any other "out of the wood work" type of thing you can think of.

True, and in the same breath I'd definitely be willing to pay extra a month for a concrete or tile floor with pre-installed everything. When all you have to do is move your equipment in and hook it up... no worries about damage from spills, mold, cutting holes, light-proofing and so on?

Wow. That's be nice.


Landlords will be paying out a huge amount of money over the next few years, to fix damage done by irresponsible growers modifying their properties. Much more so than has happened in the past. Smart landlords would provide something, even if it's just a 4.5x4.5, floodproof spot for a tent and pre-installed ventilation through the walls.


On the other end of the spectrum:

How much would you pay extra for an apartment that had an NGB cab built into it? Say 400w DWC?

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[messn'n'gommin']

Liability?
Insurance?

^ This!

The insurance companies won't pay-off on a claim if an accident (fire/water damage/etc) is the result of "illegal" activity. Even if they do insure the landlord's property, you can bet your bottom dollar that premiums are going to be astronomical and most tenants won't be able afford the increased rent! While I agree that it's a good idea, imo, I just don't see it being cost effective for the landlord, even where growing is legal.

 

[TheCleanGame]

^ This!

The insurance companies won't pay-off on a claim if an accident (fire/water damage/etc) is the result of "illegal" activity. Even if they do insure the landlord's property, you can bet your bottom dollar that premiums are going to be astronomical and most tenants won't be able afford the increased rent! While I agree that it's a good idea, imo, I just don't see it being cost effective for the landlord, even where growing is legal.

You're still missing the point... That's going to come down to legalese. Everything comes down to legalese and money these days. Cannabis is money... the option will exist very soon.

The tenants are going to grow and do damage anyway. Providing a spot (Possibly a 'sauna room' as previously mentioned) with proper hook ups is a way to significantly reduce the possibility of said accidents.

Stop getting hung up on liability, unless you have a workable solution that may be helpful to landlords. Thanks

So...

What's the cheapest, most-durable (not necessarily the prettiest) floor that will contain a few hundred gallons of water?

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[BredForMeds]

just pond line the floors.. and everything else u listed are great ideas. . honestly.. and I wouldn't rent to anyone under 25.. if u don't want damage. lol.. most people younger then that don't seem to give a FUCK about another persons property.. but a screening process is ur best bet also.

 

[TheCleanGame]

Saw 7x10' pond liner at Lowes for $39 today...


Yummy!

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[BredForMeds]

basicly.. only growers that are stupid and don't care destroy houses.. the last 3 places I rented.. I left the house in better shape then when we moved in!.

 

[RoadRash]

I'm proud to say, I got my rent deposit back on the last 2 apartments I vacated.

If I ever work for Google Labs, I promise to venture the idea that they co-locate their facilities with rented grow-space. In colder climes, they could use the exhaust heat from the servers to provide a decent input temperature on air coming into the grow-rooms.

 

[2 Legal Co]

Hey

Growing in Colorado is not going away and will only become more entrenched as time passes. I'm looking to start a discussion on economical and utilitarian grow room designs that landlords can build into the homes/apts they're renting/selling.

Some of the desired features would be:

- Smooth, waterproof/floodable floor with floor drain.

- Water access

- Pre-installed Ventilation hook ups

- Pre-wired 120V/240V outlets

Any other suggestions?

Basically looking for designs and materials that would allow tenants to grow while drastically reducing the potential 'damage' the can be done to the unit.

Thanks for the input

Keep it Clean!

Seems like you've pretty well covered the basics.

i do have curiosity however; Why do we speak of 'renting' when it comes to grows? Is there a disadvantage to 'owning' the space?

This type of thing would be under the category of 'Tenant Finish' for the rental market, and 'Build to suite' for the purchaser.

If I were wanting to do a commercial operation, I'd want to be in complete control the facility;..... I think.?.?

From the little I know the Drainable floor is the only thing that needs to be addressed as it comes out of the ground. Ventilation and plumbing chases are of course critical, but addable as more of an after thought.

Interesting idea.

 

[bombadil.360]

someone with enough loot to invest could buy an old building in Colorado, fix it, including grow areas in each apartment, and rent them out for those looking to start a personal grow.

Green Farm Apartment Building Complex lol...

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

well theres an "ultimately" to this sort of question and considering the current markets in regard to owning a home as opposed to renting, there are many outcomes some good some bad and imo this is ultimately gonna be on the expensive side and that means bad for most.

would I pay even more rent than what I can be charged (seriously going by the current market) now OR just go a head and put down on a home where I can go, look, pick and choose what fits me? if your looking at the aspect that its going to be legal either way then I definitely want to do things my way and being in a "unit" is limiting as it is so to add the aspect of growing would make it even more cramped.

btw, I found this topic to be a hypothetic great but also an actuality that can be right around the corner so I have honest/real opinions about it, and so did a couple of my other friends that I discussed it with, lol, it actually turned into a stoner episode of crossfire.

anyway, it all comes down to what makes sense and even now you can get a home and pay less than you would if you were to rent. and things like liability and insurance are real life so they too are aspects of the topic that cant be avoided in discussion since I have family and friends that have rental properties some 6 family buildings and some 2 family buildings.

I don't know if this was asked as a hypothetical or an actual question but my point of view comes from one aspect and that is of the person that would have the units to rent and ive bore witness to a myriad of renters some good, most bad and any manner of government subsidiary being the absolute worst.

as the renter there are so many aspects that need to be considered to make it marketable because I look at it from being in the other persons shoes? and I ask myself: why would I rent someplace and ultimately limit my capability to grow on ly having/wanting to find a larger more lucrative spot eventually?

overall I think if you want to grow in peace whether legal or not? get your own home, that's my take on it

peace ya'll

 

[TheCleanGame]

Why rent?

That question only comes from people who can afford to buy. lol

Yes, everything also applies to homes for sale as well... just never having been in that market, it didn't occur to me. My thoughts there are... "If I own it, I'm going to modify it." and pre-built in stuff would just be a minor extra. Like a bit of blue frosting on an all white frosting cake.

For a renter, pre-built grow room utility connections would be the icing itself. Not just a dab of extra color. Make sense?

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[Granger2]

Yes, for the landlords' safety, proper wiring would be one of the most important additions he/she could make. Also, drainage, ventilation. -granger

 

[Baked Alaskan]

Im a landlord. To me its about return on investment. If I can significantly up the rent to cover all costs I would think about it, not too hard but id think about it. I love growing but renting is renting.

I would think of an insert type "room" to fit preexisting areas, closets, kitchen cabinets etc. There is an old book "closet cultivator" that kinda hit on this point. With all the new advances a person could manufacture a complete "mini room" which could fit in kitchen cabinets (standardized sizes) or closet, 1/2 closet type.

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

Why rent?

That question only comes from people who can afford to buy. lol

Yes, everything also applies to homes for sale as well... just never having been in that market, it didn't occur to me. My thoughts there are... "If I own it, I'm going to modify it." and pre-built in stuff would just be a minor extra. Like a bit of blue frosting on an all white frosting cake.

For a renter, pre-built grow room utility connections would be the icing itself. Not just a dab of extra color. Make sense?

Keep it Clean!

ok now I get what your saying but look at this real world point of view and maybe youll understand why most eventually just get their own homes however they can:

Im a landlord. To me its about return on investment. If I can significantly up the rent to cover all costs I would think about it, not too hard but id think about it. I love growing but renting is renting.

I would think of an insert type "room" to fit preexisting areas, closets, kitchen cabinets etc. There is an old book "closet cultivator" that kinda hit on this point. With all the new advances a person could manufacture a complete "mini room" which could fit in kitchen cabinets (standardized sizes) or closet, 1/2 closet type.

see what I mean? the average renters are thinking about actual rooms maybe the size of either a side bdrm or mstrbdrm, whereas the actual person renting is thinking mainly about it being a selling point BUT in only a smaller area and onto a pre-existing place/unit.

so this comparison kinda drives the point home as far as just getting your own place. if your serious enough, it can be done, the market is rife with forclosures varying from something for the single person to the family.

matter of fact my own situation is the perfect scenario: as of right now my grow partner and I are going over the numbers to take half of my garage and finish it up and turn it into a fully functioning grow room and what do I have? a home depot book, some tools and the will to see it come to pass as and my partner has the same ambition and the funding to purchase the supplies.

if you seriously want to grow large scale then get your own home, if you want to just do personal then either get a small cab; because even if you were to throw your landlord the greatest cannabis you could ever grow in a life time it could never replace the fact that you fucked up the unit in order to grow weed

 

[FRIENDinDEED]

ok just had a real world idea hit me (like I said, this is a topic that I would love to see come to life in a real world application) that may be one solution

what im thinking is a trailer park type of scenario where all of the units have the option of a grow room via a converted shipping container in the back of the unit outfitted with what a grow room would and should have, pretty much all the afore mentioned.

the unit would have an "L" shape to it so there is going to be a space left between the units so that space could have a shed in it for extra storage also allowing for a parking spot as well

since all of the units would have these converted containers including them in your rental lease would be optional, if you wanted to add the grow room onto your lease agreement then I would give you the key and flip the power to the subpanel, it gets added onto your electric, I flip the switch for the water/drainage and viola, you have a fully functioning grow room added to your space that you can do what you want with.

BUT

I would have to come and inspect it because I would have to be weary of people using them as extra spaces, maybe trying to sublet them or do things with/to them outside of the grow room parameters (trust me, you'd be shocked as to how some ppl are willing to live to fly under the radar or make a lil extra cash)

OR

if your a developer with land and your building units for sale, I would have that as a selling point or option, if you want they could add the price of a fully functioning grow room as a converted shed, size of your choosing. only thing I would have to add is that the rooms would have to have tiled floors

one stipulation I would have for either developer or trailerpark scenario is that you cant do any processing of any kind within the space utilizing volatile/hazardous/flammable liquids and or chemicals (specifically pertaining to oil and or hash making), now if you wanna do that shit outside (which you should be doing anyway) then be my guest

either way, ultimately everyone has their own space and they can grow however they want

 

[2 Legal Co]

I'm thinking the Cargo containers are a great concept. Or perhaps trailers?

If you did the trailers, you could rent out the trailers already outfitted and ready to be hooked up, powered up and grown in. Maybe like a bumper pull Travel trailer, gutted and re-insulated, blacked out windows, etc. Looking like a camper still, but small enough to pull behind an SUV or similar.

If you had to move you could just pull it to your new 'house'.

I too have been a 'landlord' so am somewhat skeptical, at best. Most tenants, I'm guessing will not pay the freight to have the facilities.... and will simply 'scab in' what they need to grow. Often w/o regard to health and welfare of structure.

 

[supermanlives]

good luck finding a landlord that wants ya to grow. as long as the feds keep it illegal not too many folks are willing to loose their investment prpperty. along with robberies and accidents... props to the landlords that do tho