I am friggin' at a loss here

[Bennyweed1]

Well I dont know how to explain this because everyone is going to ask me for pics but I do not have them yet.

I originally started my garden with the mind set of being organic. I blended a soil with over 13 different amendments and the plants responded terribly.

I thought I just added to much of something so I switched to pure coco because its what I know best. Using AN nutes and pure coco my plants are showing the same symptoms as the plants in my organic soil showed.

So now I switched back to an organic soil but mixed it differently but I feel the same thing is going to happen. I changed every single variable and I dont know what else to do.

I have an Ozone generator running for 2 mins every hour (completely separate area, no where near the plants) and I am now narrowing it down to it. I was using a reservoir to hold my nutes and I switched it out because I thought the plastic was leaching.

Does anyone now what Ozone poisoning looks like? My leafs develop a yellow necrosis and become brittle and dye, bud formation stops. Its looks like a cal/mag def but it is impossible because I supplement cal/mag. It could even resemble a K def but it to is impossible also.

I dont know what the problem is but I will have pics soon. Please any ideas are encouraged!

 

[Bennyweed1]

here is a link to my garden.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=208808&page=2

 

[Bennyweed1]

here is a link to my garden.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=208808&page=2

Delete^^^^^ my bad

 

[Zendo]

We really can't sit and guess without pics, which you know.

Read the organics for beginners thread from start to finish, and pic a soil/feed mix that are on page 1.

If you follow the instructions exactly, you'll have good results. Sounds like you may be doing too much. Keep it simple, and post pics.

hth

 

[Manitoid]

We really can't sit and guess without pics, which you know.

Read the organics for beginners thread from start to finish, and pic a soil/feed mix that are on page 1.

If you follow the instructions exactly, you'll have good results. Sounds like you may be doing too much. Keep it simple, and post pics.

hth

BWA HA HA HA HA HA

Yeah get on reading all 236 pages of it... I wish there was a way to efficiently sift through it as i get lost in reading portions, bookmark good portions when i remember to, as well as lose gems in the expanse.

"The Organic for beginners thread is like an ocean inside a larger ocean"

After the first post, only 3537 to go to date.

 

[IE2KS_KUSH]

^
Ya kinda but you only need read the first post, follow the instructions and poof it works then you take it from there. I havehad moments of uncertainty but it is fucking easy and rocks. Read the first damn posdt thats all you have to do. Whats so hard.?

 

[VerdantGreen]

you may be right about the ozone poisoning

there is a pic of it down this page...
http://how-to-grow-cannabis.info/grow/growing/marijuana-cannabis-growers-almanac-FAQ-97.html

if the plants did the same in coco then it may well not be the soil

 

[habeeb]

well, sounds like whatever your doing it's not the soil or coco. as you said it's affecting both sets of plants. I don't see the problem plants in any pictures?

poison from plastic leaching, could be , but never hear of it much. I've really heard of tubing or tents off gassing, never heard of a res yet.


I don't use ozone generators, but why do you use one if you have a scrubber?

also, don't hang your bud in your flowering room, to high temps, and light is no no



sorry, can't be more help, as you said it can get complicated with so many variables, maybe someone can step in and help out,

did you have the ozone in there before? or is it a new thing? also as you can see now, don't switch up to many things at once, or it's gonna be nuts trying to solve the problem.

another thing, sounds crazy, no fear worry or anxiety, blocks the channels of figuring out the problem. walk into the room with a clear mind, don't judge, and that will help you figure it out above all else trying to connect every dot, let the answer come to you. it always works for me when I have a problem to just walk in and observe...

 

[dansbuds]

Go back to basics here . just basic nutes (no additives )whether its an organic soil& PH'd water or coco & specific nutes , basic ventilation ( no ozone genny ) just a scrubber , go back to hand watering ( no rez ) & keep it simple . it sounds like something in your environment , not the soils & nutes . dail in your room with everything as simple as can be ..... see how your plants do then step things up ..... a little at a time . this has worked for me when things started getting out of control in my room . go back to basics & make sure its working right .... then step things up as you need it .

good luck dude ... you'll get it figured out .... its just frustrating as hell ... i know .

growem green & stay safe ....Dans

 

[Sam the Caveman]

Root aphids maybe? Check out the root aphids thread for detailed pics of what to look for.

I can just guess at this point. I don't think it would be ozone poisoning unless you have a large ozone genny near the plants. I run a small one sometimes in the closet with my clones about 3x/24hr @ 5min per and never see any problems. Its a small generator, like the ozone jr.

 

[Bennyweed1]

ehh thanks for all the moral support guys! This problem has been plaguing me for a very long time and I just do not understand it.

before all this I was in a 4x4x6.5 tent using a 600w HPS growing plants in 6" sq. pots. I was averaging 2.5-3Oz a week and it was so simple. I didnt do anything special.

Now I have great equipment and everything is going like crap and it is a big bummer. I turned off the Ozone yesterday and started hand watering again.

My bloom tent is ventilated, Im running a 560cfm fan off my scrubber which is channeled through the sealed lights and out of the tent creating a passive intake. I have windows open to allow fresh air to circulate. I really am stumped and when I say its been plaguing me for a while I mean 5+ months. Thats 5 months of changing certain variables and hoping for the better but I'm yet to see that light.

Ill take pics tonight so you can all see this problem that boggles my mind.

Thanks again ICmaggers, your a great crowd and a respected community in my book.

EDIT***

here is my soil mix to give everyone an understanding.

I use sunshine mix 4 @ 5gallons, coco @5gallona, compost with mycorrhizea @ 3gallons

To it I add:
5tbs kelp
5tbs alflafa
10tbs bone meal
5tbs blood meal
5tbs azomite
10tbs lime
5tbs dry molasses (smells so good!)
5tbs diatomaceous earth
3tbs green sand
2 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
1 cup high N Bat Guano
1tbs bene. bacteria powder
1tbs of rice flour

 

[ambertrich]

I have used an Ozone generator on and off for years. Never had a problem wth it. If you can smell that Ozone "smell" it is too much, but at 2 min per hour it probably isn't even effective for anything. I grow in several tents within a larger room and this is where I run the generator. It is a Uvonair Jr rated for 3000 cubic foot room. When I thought I had a PM infection I cranked it up running 15 mins every 3 hours for a couple days to kill the any spores that might have been around. The plants did not skip a beat.

What type generator are you using? It is no in with the plants is it? That is the only way I know of fucking up your plants with one. Use it in the room you cab/tent/grow is in, not the actual cab/tent/grow itself.

Unless you are using an industrial size generator, I would be extremely suprised if this is the culprit.

Whatever it is, best of luck getting back on track.

Best Wishes for a quick fix.

 

[habeeb]

benny,

can you get us pics of the plants, and in good light ( AKA no HPS crap )

when you ran coco / AN , did you ever see this problem?

 

[IE2KS_KUSH]

Why don't you just go back to basics and start with lc mix per instructions with basic fert recipie as per instructions, or fuck it and do something different or go back to what worked good luck..

 

[Bennyweed1]

Ok here are some pics...this is going to get interesting hearing all the ideas.

When I touch/grab the yellow parts of the leafs, they are dry to a crisp. I can crumble them if I wanted.

So after feeling the girls up, it made me think "damn, these ladies could use some lotion". Which in turn made me consider my light height as a possible contributing factor, so I raised them up. Out of all the stuff I changed in the past 5 months I have never once adjusted my lights. I jacked them up a good 16 inches too. I'm desperate for resolve.

I have two 18" oscillating fans in adjacent corners attached to the tent pulls. Both turned on medium, both sweeping the plants from left to right. I highly doubt it as a reasonable explanation but like I said, I'm literally out of ideas.

Consider this fact. My last picture is of a pine apple express in the same organic soil some of my other plants were in that demonstrated the same yellow leaf problem as presented below. The difference with this PA and those other plants is that this PA is in its own closet. Different environment, which mean it is something inside that damn bloom tent! I dont know what though but hopefully this brilliant crowd here at ICmag, can help me out....
Pics:

 

[Scrappy4]

What's in your compost? A lot of wood maybe? Scrappy

 

[3rdEye]

ehh thanks for all the moral support guys! This problem has been plaguing me for a very long time and I just do not understand it.

before all this I was in a 4x4x6.5 tent using a 600w HPS growing plants in 6" sq. pots. I was averaging 2.5-3Oz a week and it was so simple. I didnt do anything special.

Now I have great equipment and everything is going like crap and it is a big bummer. I turned off the Ozone yesterday and started hand watering again.

My bloom tent is ventilated, Im running a 560cfm fan off my scrubber which is channeled through the sealed lights and out of the tent creating a passive intake. I have windows open to allow fresh air to circulate. I really am stumped and when I say its been plaguing me for a while I mean 5+ months. Thats 5 months of changing certain variables and hoping for the better but I'm yet to see that light.

Ill take pics tonight so you can all see this problem that boggles my mind.

Thanks again ICmaggers, your a great crowd and a respected community in my book.

EDIT***

here is my soil mix to give everyone an understanding.

I use sunshine mix 4 @ 5gallons, coco @5gallona, compost with mycorrhizea @ 3gallons

To it I add:
5tbs kelp
5tbs alflafa
10tbs bone meal
5tbs blood meal
5tbs azomite
10tbs lime
5tbs dry molasses (smells so good!)
5tbs diatomaceous earth
3tbs green sand
2 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano
1 cup high N Bat Guano
1tbs bene. bacteria powder
1tbs of rice flour

What jumped out at me was the amounts of guano you are using. Given the rest of your supplements i might suggest dropping that down quite a bit. Maybe down to 2-4 tablespoons of each.

I fried some plants with ozone before by running it in the room itself. In general i don't consider it worth the additional health risk. YMMV

simplifying is a good thing.

 

[snoopytime]

Dude that shit has nothing to do with soil or organic anything .. its FUCKIN OFFGASSING from something plastic in your room. Read the thread in my signature. It drove more people nuts than you know man. Your prayers have been answered, due to the work of a guy named UGU who got raided passing this great info on to us. Now your job is to do the detective work and figure out what is spitting that gas out. hint: look for flexible pvc pipe or and rubbery plastic. good luck!

 

[Bennyweed1]

my bad, I wasnt really clear before. The ozone isnt in the tent. The tents are all in one large room with 13' ceilings. The ozone is on the floor next to a door entering into that room. Probably about 10 feet from the closest tent.

 

[snoopytime]

Oh shit i mssed the TENT part, its probably the TENT OFFGASSING itself.