Please help me build an organic soil

[somerandom]

So the time has come to start stepping away from the bottle and get into organic soils. I have some new beans on the way thanks to all the Christmas specials, I would like to do them up right with organic soils and teas. I'm hoping the fine people of IC can help me build an organic soil with what i have. If there something essential missing from what i have there's no problem getting it if need be.

Originally i was going to build subs supersoil. I bought a kit to make 100 gallon batch I just don't have the proper facilities to do this big of a batch. I would like to be able to make small batches
(5 GALLONS) at a time i just cant be doing this with bails and bags.
Some of the complaints of the super soil is that it's to hot,Not enough K ,and doesn't last all the way through the grow. Also you have to fill the bucket half way with super soil,add a buffer layer of regular soil ,then fill the rest of the way with regular soil.
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I'd like to be able to add to the mix i all ready use if possible.

I basically mix by volume of a 5"x6" pot which breaks down to
roughly half Happy Frog (20 cups) , Half Sunshine mix #4 (24 cups) perlite(9 cups) EWC(8 cups) 3 tbsp dolomite and 2 tbsp calcium carb lime.
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Here is what i have on hand
Happy frog
sunshine mix #4
EWC
dolomite and calcium carb lime
5 lb. box Steamed Bone Meal 3-15-0
5 lb. box Bat Guano 0-7-0
5 lb. box Blood meal 12-0-0
4 lb. bottle Epsom salts
100 grams Powdered Humic Acid
Granular Endomycorrhizal 2 ounce package
MicroFlora Inoculant 2 Ounce Package
Colloidal Phosphate and Calcium 1 lb. bag
Glacial Rock Dust 1 lb. bag
Azomite Powder 1 lb. bag
3 lb. kelp meal 0-0-1.5
3 lb. fish meal 4-0-0
3 lb bone meal 1-15-0
3 lb alfalfa 2-0-0
2.2 lb seabird guano 12-11-2

hopefully that's enough to get me started. After skipping through the soils thread most all are done on a much larger scale.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=228020

Again I'd like to be able to do this in 5 GALLON buckets at a time.

I have other things too like budswel,liquid karma,earth juice meta-k,b1 red and green ect if they need a little boost during the grow.

Any help as to how much of what i can add to my mix is greatly appreciated. I hoping the organic soil gurus will be willing to help me out. Thank you.

 

[VerdantGreen]

find a mix that you like in the threads that has the ingredients in proportions (like parts or %) and then you can scale it down to your 5 gallon buckets.

VG

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

bump for the cause.....im lookin for a long term soil recipe I can build too.

 

[bigshrimp]

Gas mix from here https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=241964

If you wanna go all in

Here's the base mix I suggest to all humans in dry US gallons..

3 to 4 gallons regular peat moss with no additives...no need for fancy packages...(if the topsoil,compost,EWC in the recipe look like they might be muddy...use 4 gallons,if not use 3...or adjust accordingly)
1 gallon HIGH quality earthworm castings
1 gallon local HIGH quality topsoil screened for this potting mix
2 or more gallons small and/or medium sized pumice,perlite,or lava rock...consistencies vary,adjust accordingly.
1 gallon vermiculite
2 gallons coco husk..rinsed well and fully hydrated
1 gallon leaf litter or forest duff..screened for this potting mix
1 gallon HIGH quality compost
1/2 gallon screened clay or bentonite

1/2 cup this 3 part lime mix based off Steve Soloman's 3 -way lime mix..adjusted by Coot a few years ago.....for the peat moss..and a continued supply of mag,cal,and sulfur as you recycle.

Since the start of this thread we have since determined that dolomite is not necessary,but this lime mix still works for the peat moss ph regardless.

1 part powdered dolomite lime
1 part agricultural gypsum
2 parts powdered oyster shell

These dried commercially available amendments...

2 cups crab shell meal
4 cups acadian kelp meal
4 cups fish meal OR N. bat guano
4 cups fish bone meal
1 cup sul-po-mag...aka langbeinite
2 cups neem seed meal..or karanja seed meal
1 cup alfalfa

Mix all ingredients together WELL....then fill your pots with the dry and mixed base mix.

Now make enough Aerated Compost Tea following Microbe Man's instructions to saturate the mix in each pot until it is thoroughly moist.

Let this sit undisturbed for at least 3 to 4 weeks before planting.

 

[somerandom]

Phillthy's (BASE) mix is the closest i can find to the BASE mix that I'm using in that he is using 1/2 OF and 1/2 Pro mix and roughly +1/5 ewc.
This is what i'll continue to use to build upon. He uses OF where as I'm using HF. I have read that HF is lighter than OF but shouldn't be that far off, and HF is easily available to me.

If my math is correct (I'm really bad at math)
Phillthy's mix is pretty light on amendments breaking down to a little over 1.5 tbsp of bone,blood,and kelp meal PER 5 GALLONS and 2tsp of bird guano PER 5 GALLONS.

In the ORGANICS FOR BEGINNERS sticky RECIPE #1 states that you can use at least 1 tbsp PER GALLON of blood,kelp, and 2 tbsp of bone.

It would be invaluable to me for a lifetime to be able to break things down into TSP/TBSP/Cups PER GALLON,. That way I would be able to scale up or down as things progress.
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Dank Frank made some improvements to this mix and it was this post that got me to buy some of the things i did , Only to research and find out later he no longer uses some of them.LOL.
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Best Fox Farm mix I have ever seen put to use was derived from Blazeoneup's mix - and is simply what I call Phillthy's mix as a result. I know Phillthy has changed things up a bit since this original formulation, but it is a GREAT starting point for many growers looking for something affordable, simply and easy to maintain...and it works. Certainly there are ways to make it better, but, this simple mix produces flowers that will best 90% of what is currently out there...when used in a dialed environment, that is, of course.

1 bag FFOF
1/2 bale Pro-Mix Bx
5 gallons Chunky Perlite
1 cup bone meal
1 cup blood meal
1 cup dolomite lime
1 cup EWC

Quick simple changes to improve upon that mix:

1 cup Kelp meal
1/2 bag EWC (25 pound bag, roughly 3 gallons) instead of just a single cup
3 TBSP BioVam from T & J Enterprises (or Vam Endo mix from BioAg)

These changes make the mix much better if you chose to re-use your soil vs tossing it and mixing new each time:

1 cup Oyster Shell Flower (in place of the dolomite limestone)
5 gallons Permatill (in place of the chunky perlite)
1 cup Leonardite (Hum-Amend from TeraVita)


Anyway - mix these things together, and just add water the entire cycle - same mix for veg and flower - but again, these are just simple, affordable, suggestions - the simplest version, without my suggested alterations works very well and produces great flowers.

If you want to use bottled nutrients in addition to the base mix, I'd suggest:

Budswel - (yellow label - liquid) @ 2 TBSP per gallon during week 3 and 5 - twice each week, 3 days apart
General Organics Cal/Mg - @ 1/2 tsp per gallon to fight of Cal/Mg def that may appear in some strains, usually once during week 3 and 4
Thrive Alive B1 (green label) @ 1/2 tsp per gallon twice during the first week after transplant, and placed into flower, 3 days apart
Earth Juice Meta-K - @ 1 TBSP per gallon ONCE a week at the beginning of week 3 and 5
Botanicare Liquid Karma - @ 1 tsp per gallon twice during week 1 and 2; 3 days a part, and 1 TBSP per gallon twice a week during week 3 and 5, also 3 days apart

These are my generic recommendations for people who shop a hydro store and don't have a ton of experience mixing there own soils. The reason for listing the different bottled nutrients is for people who want to push their plants or are familiar with various deficiencies and want to know how to prevent them before they have a drastic effect on overall health and thus production.

This isn't even how I grow, specifically - or how Phillthy gets it done - but I know if you follow these basic instructions, you will get GREAT flowers. These instructions represent a great starting point for new growers without making the whole process overly difficult.

Hope this helps!



dank.Frank

You'd be surprised what that does. You can take it much further than that (I've got 22 things or so in my soil mix), but...that is about as simple, quick and easy as it can be...assuming you can get to a hyrdo store and a lowes / home depot.
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This is a good start. I know of several people of the top of my head that could make a killer mix from what i have. They aren't going to just hand it over. Hopefully once i can come up with something and do a more work they will chime in and help to tweak and add/subtract.

I'm grateful to have found this site and the great people here. I honestly have learned more in the 3 months i have been here than 3 years lurking other sites !!!!

 

[Arthritis_sucks]

Gas mix from here https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=241964

If you wanna go all in

Phillthy's (BASE) mix is the closest i can find to the BASE mix that I'm using in that he is using 1/2 OF and 1/2 Pro mix and roughly +1/5 ewc.
This is what i'll continue to use to build upon. He uses OF where as I'm using HF. I have read that HF is lighter than OF but shouldn't be that far off, and HF is easily available to me.

If my math is correct (I'm really bad at math)
Phillthy's mix is pretty light on amendments breaking down to a little over 1.5 tbsp of bone,blood,and kelp meal PER 5 GALLONS and 2tsp of bird guano PER 5 GALLONS.

In the ORGANICS FOR BEGINNERS sticky RECIPE #1 states that you can use at least 1 tbsp PER GALLON of blood,kelp, and 2 tbsp of bone.

It would be invaluable to me for a lifetime to be able to break things down into TSP/TBSP/Cups PER GALLON,. That way I would be able to scale up or down as things progress.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dank Frank made some improvements to this mix and it was this post that got me to buy some of the things i did , Only to research and find out later he no longer uses some of them.LOL.
---------------------------------------------------------------

Best Fox Farm mix I have ever seen put to use was derived from Blazeoneup's mix - and is simply what I call Phillthy's mix as a result. I know Phillthy has changed things up a bit since this original formulation, but it is a GREAT starting point for many growers looking for something affordable, simply and easy to maintain...and it works. Certainly there are ways to make it better, but, this simple mix produces flowers that will best 90% of what is currently out there...when used in a dialed environment, that is, of course.

1 bag FFOF
1/2 bale Pro-Mix Bx
5 gallons Chunky Perlite
1 cup bone meal
1 cup blood meal
1 cup dolomite lime
1 cup EWC

Quick simple changes to improve upon that mix:

1 cup Kelp meal
1/2 bag EWC (25 pound bag, roughly 3 gallons) instead of just a single cup
3 TBSP BioVam from T & J Enterprises (or Vam Endo mix from BioAg)

These changes make the mix much better if you chose to re-use your soil vs tossing it and mixing new each time:

1 cup Oyster Shell Flower (in place of the dolomite limestone)
5 gallons Permatill (in place of the chunky perlite)
1 cup Leonardite (Hum-Amend from TeraVita)


Anyway - mix these things together, and just add water the entire cycle - same mix for veg and flower - but again, these are just simple, affordable, suggestions - the simplest version, without my suggested alterations works very well and produces great flowers.

If you want to use bottled nutrients in addition to the base mix, I'd suggest:

Budswel - (yellow label - liquid) @ 2 TBSP per gallon during week 3 and 5 - twice each week, 3 days apart
General Organics Cal/Mg - @ 1/2 tsp per gallon to fight of Cal/Mg def that may appear in some strains, usually once during week 3 and 4
Thrive Alive B1 (green label) @ 1/2 tsp per gallon twice during the first week after transplant, and placed into flower, 3 days apart
Earth Juice Meta-K - @ 1 TBSP per gallon ONCE a week at the beginning of week 3 and 5
Botanicare Liquid Karma - @ 1 tsp per gallon twice during week 1 and 2; 3 days a part, and 1 TBSP per gallon twice a week during week 3 and 5, also 3 days apart

These are my generic recommendations for people who shop a hydro store and don't have a ton of experience mixing there own soils. The reason for listing the different bottled nutrients is for people who want to push their plants or are familiar with various deficiencies and want to know how to prevent them before they have a drastic effect on overall health and thus production.

This isn't even how I grow, specifically - or how Phillthy gets it done - but I know if you follow these basic instructions, you will get GREAT flowers. These instructions represent a great starting point for new growers without making the whole process overly difficult.

Hope this helps!



dank.Frank

You'd be surprised what that does. You can take it much further than that (I've got 22 things or so in my soil mix), but...that is about as simple, quick and easy as it can be...assuming you can get to a hyrdo store and a lowes / home depot.
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This is a good start. I know of several people of the top of my head that could make a killer mix from what i have. They aren't going to just hand it over. Hopefully once i can come up with something and do a more work they will chime in and help to tweak and add/subtract.

I'm grateful to have found this site and the great people here. I honestly have learned more in the 3 months i have been here than 3 years lurking other sites !!!!

thanx for taking the time to share.

 

[xmobotx]

In general, you want to use 1 TBS/gal as a baseline for applying amendments {2 TBS for "liming" Ca amendments}

things have come a long way since all those recipes were posted.

avoid slaughter products and guanos if you don;t have them already. As soon as i settled on working alternatives to blood & bone meal, i excluded them permanently from my regimen. I can't see any reason to use epsom salts & dolomite lime is easy to skip as well.

Anyway, mixing the sunshine & the happy frog sounds like a good idea. You could probably just go w/ that for a seedling mix.

for amendments & a hotter mix, 1st i would increase the EWC & use perlite {not my 1st choice either} to get a airy consistency ~the less confident you are about watering accurately, the more perlite you should use.

then;

I would use the fish, kelp & maybe the seabird guano all mixed together @ 1 or 2 TBS/gal

also; the cal-phos GRD & azomite mixed @ 2 or 3 TBS/gal

probably hit it w/ 1 TBS of the CaCo lime for some extra Ca

I'd apply the microbial goodies in the planting hole when transplanting

having transplanted, I would mulch w/ a layer of EWC mixed w/ the alfalfa meal @ 1 or 2 tsp/gal of container size

 

[somerandom]

Thank you for taking the time to respond,Much appreciated !!!
I hope you don't mind the barrage of question

In general, you want to use 1 TBS/gal as a baseline for applying amendments {2 TBS for "liming" Ca amendments}

This seems like a good place to start. I'm 75 pages into the organics for beginners thread. 2 TBSP per gallon of POWDERED lime is pretty much pounded into my head forever lol. Burn1 has a lot more patience than I , by page 30 or so i wanted to pull my fkn hair out and was yelling at the screen,Haha.

things have come a long way since all those recipes were posted.

It is an old thread but a great thread. I wish people would revisit,revise, and update. HINT HINT
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=228020

avoid slaughter products and guanos if you don;t have them already. As soon as i settled on working alternatives to blood & bone meal, i excluded them permanently from my regimen. I can't see any reason to use epsom salts & dolomite lime is easy to skip as well.

I all ready have them. I may just put that super-soil amendment kit aside for now until i can mix the full batch. I'm sure you have your reasons for not wanting to use the slaughter house products.
Are kelp and alfalfa a good alternative to blood and bone meal ?
same proportions ?
Would you use bat guano if you knew it was extracted environmentally friendly and responsibly ? Is the seabird guano a good replacement?
Why would you skip Epsom salts and dolomite ? What is your MG source?

Anyway, mixing the sunshine & the happy frog sounds like a good idea. You could probably just go w/ that for a seedling mix.

It does work very well for clones and seedlings. A combination of taking bigger, better clones and using some of Snypes techniques from the cloning with Snype thread, I was able to transplant after 10 days.A first for me! After transplanting using some b1 and liquid karma,I have never had happier, healthier, lush babies.

for amendments & a hotter mix, 1st i would increase the EWC & use perlite {not my 1st choice either} to get a airy consistency ~the less confident you are about watering accurately, the more perlite you should use.

So you think i should up the EWC from 1/5 to 1/3 (from 8 cups to 12 cups) ? My mix actually makes a little over 4 gallons of soil.
I'm wondering what benefits i will see as EWC is kind of expensive around here, At least i think it is $1.25 a pound.

Happy Frog has perlite and so does sunshine #4 then i add 9 cups.Again this is for a little over 4 gallons. Does this look like enough?

It's a funny thing about watering. For the last 3 years i have went against everything i have read. I was flooding them when watering/food with 1 gallon (in 5 gallon buckets) every 4 days and removing the excess from the trays with a wet/dry vac. I had healthy plants and decent yields (avg 3.5 oz) I guess the strains i was working with (purple wreck,black widow,silver pearl,snow dog) weren't picky. I have since backed off on watering the last couple of months. A few new ones I'm working with(skywalker,ghost train haze and Kandy Kush) are extremely fussy about the amount given.

then;

I would use the fish, kelp & maybe the seabird guano all mixed together @ 1 or 2 TBS/gal

also; the cal-phos GRD & azomite mixed @ 2 or 3 TBS/gal

probably hit it w/ 1 TBS of the CaCo lime for some extra Ca

I'd apply the microbial goodies in the planting hole when transplanting

having transplanted, I would mulch w/ a layer of EWC mixed w/ the alfalfa meal @ 1 or 2 tsp/gal of container size

This all sounds great to me. I'm not in a rush to go TLO I have a ton of reading and learning to do. I really love this place and the people that contribute and go out of their way to help. THANK YOU

 

[xmobotx]

sorry about meddling w/ your post, i just closed a quote tag {the last 1}

a noteworthy thing is that people have had great grows w/ many of those mixes using slaughter products and guano ~i don;t mind quano as an amendment BTW {it's a little soluble but the main thing is sustainability} there's nothing particularly special about it/you don;t need it in favor of the many alternatives IOW

i think for many of us who avoid slaughter products, it has much to do w/ not wanting to support that industry

alfalfa is a great alternative to blood {particular since it's nice and diverse/plant-based} i was considering cal-phos as Ca and P in alternative to bone meal. some recommend fish bone meal & some argue whether that's sustainable or point to fukushima/oil spills as potential concerns w/ fish products.

the seabird guano thing is something i havent heard discussed much & i've never used it. manure is manure though & seabird guano would kind of depend on what the seabirds are eating {which w/ seagulls could be any/everything} I've gathered goose and duck manure which i use in compost {as w/ any manure}

20% is probably about the optimum ratio of EWC & you can use more ~i like to mulch w/ it {kind of crafting a "duff" layer ~emulate nature}

over the years, many recipes have been posted for dry amendments & if you go through enough grow journals, you start to see where some of them are proven by 3rd parties w/ successful grows &, going through the infirmary, you see where people have had many problems w/ some of them {and where some mixes fall into both categories}

crazy i know. there's a lot to be said for a grower maintaining good conditions w/ temps {root zone/plant/canopy,} humidity, moisture levels in the soil & ventilation

edit; oh yeah, that looks like plenty of aeration

 

[somerandom]

so pretty much add a tbls of amendments kelp,fish,bone,alfalfa , to my base mix and let her GrOw ?

 

[somerandom]

how long should i let it cook ? 4-5 weeks ?
I was thing of letting it ferment ? in 5 gal buckets with holes in the bucket, dear liza

 

[xmobotx]

i like to let soil mixes sit till there's no "off" smells. i also like to try other plants in it before committing anything too valuable

 

[dociron]

Pulling up a chair fer me old arse, I suspect this thread is gonna heat up a bit as it composts,, got beer and popcorn, lol

 

[Kygiacomo!!!]

So the time has come to start stepping away from the bottle and get into organic soils. I have some new beans on the way thanks to all the Christmas specials, I would like to do them up right with organic soils and teas. I'm hoping the fine people of IC can help me build an organic soil with what i have. If there something essential missing from what i have there's no problem getting it if need be.

Originally i was going to build subs supersoil. I bought a kit to make 100 gallon batch I just don't have the proper facilities to do this big of a batch. I would like to be able to make small batches
(5 GALLONS) at a time i just cant be doing this with bails and bags.
Some of the complaints of the super soil is that it's to hot,Not enough K ,and doesn't last all the way through the grow. Also you have to fill the bucket half way with super soil,add a buffer layer of regular soil ,then fill the rest of the way with regular soil.
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I'd like to be able to add to the mix i all ready use if possible.

I basically mix by volume of a 5"x6" pot which breaks down to
roughly half Happy Frog (20 cups) , Half Sunshine mix #4 (24 cups) perlite(9 cups) EWC(8 cups) 3 tbsp dolomite and 2 tbsp calcium carb lime.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Here is what i have on hand
Happy frog
sunshine mix #4
EWC
dolomite and calcium carb lime
5 lb. box Steamed Bone Meal 3-15-0
5 lb. box Bat Guano 0-7-0
5 lb. box Blood meal 12-0-0
4 lb. bottle Epsom salts
100 grams Powdered Humic Acid
Granular Endomycorrhizal 2 ounce package
MicroFlora Inoculant 2 Ounce Package
Colloidal Phosphate and Calcium 1 lb. bag
Glacial Rock Dust 1 lb. bag
Azomite Powder 1 lb. bag
3 lb. kelp meal 0-0-1.5
3 lb. fish meal 4-0-0
3 lb bone meal 1-15-0
3 lb alfalfa 2-0-0
2.2 lb seabird guano 12-11-2

hopefully that's enough to get me started. After skipping through the soils thread most all are done on a much larger scale.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=228020

Again I'd like to be able to do this in 5 GALLON buckets at a time.

I have other things too like budswel,liquid karma,earth juice meta-k,b1 red and green ect if they need a little boost during the grow.

Any help as to how much of what i can add to my mix is greatly appreciated. I hoping the organic soil gurus will be willing to help me out. Thank you.

check out buildasoil.com..they have some great stuff at a very affordable rate..since im new to organics myself im gonna just buy the liveing soil for my plants so i wont mess it up..a liveing soil is what we are all after anyways

 

[TRK]

So the time has come to start stepping away from the bottle and get into organic soils. I have some new beans on the way thanks to all the Christmas specials, I would like to do them up right with organic soils and teas. I'm hoping the fine people of IC can help me build an organic soil with what i have. If there something essential missing from what i have there's no problem getting it if need be.

Originally i was going to build subs supersoil. I bought a kit to make 100 gallon batch I just don't have the proper facilities to do this big of a batch. I would like to be able to make small batches
(5 GALLONS) at a time i just cant be doing this with bails and bags.
Some of the complaints of the super soil is that it's to hot,Not enough K ,and doesn't last all the way through the grow. Also you have to fill the bucket half way with super soil,add a buffer layer of regular soil ,then fill the rest of the way with regular soil.
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I'd like to be able to add to the mix i all ready use if possible.

I basically mix by volume of a 5"x6" pot which breaks down to
roughly half Happy Frog (20 cups) , Half Sunshine mix #4 (24 cups) perlite(9 cups) EWC(8 cups) 3 tbsp dolomite and 2 tbsp calcium carb lime.
----------------------------------------------------------------
Here is what i have on hand
Happy frog
sunshine mix #4
EWC
dolomite and calcium carb lime
5 lb. box Steamed Bone Meal 3-15-0
5 lb. box Bat Guano 0-7-0
5 lb. box Blood meal 12-0-0
4 lb. bottle Epsom salts
100 grams Powdered Humic Acid
Granular Endomycorrhizal 2 ounce package
MicroFlora Inoculant 2 Ounce Package
Colloidal Phosphate and Calcium 1 lb. bag
Glacial Rock Dust 1 lb. bag
Azomite Powder 1 lb. bag
3 lb. kelp meal 0-0-1.5
3 lb. fish meal 4-0-0
3 lb bone meal 1-15-0
3 lb alfalfa 2-0-0
2.2 lb seabird guano 12-11-2

hopefully that's enough to get me started. After skipping through the soils thread most all are done on a much larger scale.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=228020

Again I'd like to be able to do this in 5 GALLON buckets at a time.

I have other things too like budswel,liquid karma,earth juice meta-k,b1 red and green ect if they need a little boost during the grow.

Any help as to how much of what i can add to my mix is greatly appreciated. I hoping the organic soil gurus will be willing to help me out. Thank you.

I'm certainly not what you'd call an organic guru but have many years experience with growing in general, and recently I too have been wanting to move away from bottles and pH such as yourself. I HEAVILY researched supersoil / organics in general and made a mix that's on the basic premise yet vastly different to Subcool's and many others I've read; I live in Switzerland so just can't get all the same shit in the middle of winter, which means I'd be fucked till spring or doomed to pay postal more than the cost of the goods, or simply suck it up and improvise which is what I hope I've managed to do. I've gone and mixed a bit, which has been cooking for a couple days and went like so...

5 litres / 3.2 kg
Plagron Bio-Supermix (1.2-1.6-0.35)... Contains feather meal, bone meal, Peruvian and Indo Guanos, Rock Phosphate, Maerl, Bentonite, Basalt, Kelp Meal, Lava Meal, Bacteria and Fungal. (Don't say it please; I already feel dirty using a large-company pre-mix, but some of these ingredients are SO damn hard to come by where I'm at, and the cost of transporting loads of single bags internationally, I just couldn't bring myself to do it)

2.75 litres / 1.7 kg
Plagron Bat Guano (3-15-4)... Stimulates bio-life. Will be replaced with Guano Kalong for the purposes of any compost tea later on.

25 litres / 14 kg
Plagron Mega Worm EWC... (100% castings from Dendrobena Veneta) Rich in bio-life and stimulates more of it.

100 litres
Oekohum Bio Universal Earth... Contains no peat, humus from greengoods and bark, coconut fibre, wood fibre, pumice with bio-fert from horn and semolina. pH of substrate 6.3,range 5.9-6.7; EC 1.9-2.0, 20% organic substances

70 litres
Peltracom 307 Professional Substrate... VERY EXPENSIVE pH stabilized pure peat and perlite mix. EC 0.0 pH 6.0

3 litres
Oekohum Cacao Gold (2.7-0.7-3 with 0.4 Mg)... A pure cacao shell mulch of sorts with much heavier mid-size chips and flakes of cacao shell (allegedly a waste product from the chocolate industry)

50 litres
Oekohum Bio Nutritional Humus (0.5-0.25-0.35 with 0.15 Mg) Rich in bio-life.

20 litres
Hauert Biorga Composted Manure(0.6-0.3-0.6min through 0.9-0.5-0.9max) 10-15% organic substance from cows and horses, 5-10% from plants. Rich in bio-life.

40 litres
Perlite 'normal' size, not the larger stuff that's great for coco.

20 litres
Hydroleca / expanded clay. A mix of 8-16mm and 4-8mm variety. Half of which was roughed up by throwing a couple old hammers in a bedsheet with the LECA, rolling it up and bashing it on the concrete floor.

220 grams
Crystal Top Calitol (30Cal3Mg+Fe) Basically just expensive hydro shop dolomite in a high-quality buffering granulate.

This was MOISTENED with a heftily-strong solution of liquid Piranha and a little Voodoo Juice (had them round the house) with a touch of citric to bring it to neutral.

Also have some things arriving in the mail which will be added tomorrow or next day:

There is also some Guano Kalong GKOrganics Palm Ash (0-1-15 me thinks) which is apparently going a long way to solving the PK13/14 problem organically. But I reckon it'll be saved for making teas with other stuff should the need arise later on in the cycle.

And some BioBizz EWC (3-0-5, pH7.3, EC1.3) higher in K cause this is where my mix lacks a little and I'd love to go the distance on water if at all possible. I will add about another 35 litres / 42 lbs of this soon as it comes.

And some PhytoGreen HumusWP, I'll be adding about 250 grams of this or so; it's a humic acid preparation with 85% immediately bio-available humic and fulvic acids.

I don't know if this is any use to you as a guideline and I can't vouch for it's efficacy just yet but it smells nice and fresh like soil should, even with a little COMPOSTED manure in it, which I use as the fresh stuff is lethal and notorious for burning younger plants along with the stench it gives off when fresh, attracting pests which any more than about 5% composted manure will do too, I'm informed.

I just want to get that same quality AND yield I already achieve, or better, but this is hard to imagine from organics(or so I thought until recently seeing some organic and supersoil results) and I haven't been willing to put things in harm's way by chancing it. Until now... By far the hardest way of doing this is if you're really going to be rigid about 'just add water', then you're going to have to really find that exact level (Subcool's tutorial says it took him fifteen years of trial and error to get it just so) where there's enough to see you right through but not so much that it's hotter than hell itself for the girls. If you're willing to add tea or whatever then best to err on the side of caution I reckon. Of course, when you change the pot sizes all the variables change I'm told, and then you need a degree in botany to really KNOW for sure where you're at. But one can make an educated guess surely... Wish me luck eh

Liquid Karma is the dogs danglies I'm told by aficionados of organics in general, along with AN Nirvana and Atami Bloombastic, but the only one of these, or any in your list, that I've used is Nirvana, with results hard to gauge as they were being given a cocktail of other inorganics at the same time

The bottom line is that it's a trial and error kind of game this supersoil, particularly when swapping out ingredients and customizing other factors, not to mention that different strains have different nutrition needs; what will suit a hefty Indica to a tee will light a Haze on fire sometimes. I've decided to chance it; I hope you do too... I wish you all the best with your venture and if there's anything else I can do then obviously don't hesitate; we're all here to learn one way or another, the only stupid question is the one you don't ask mate...

Cheers mate

 

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Sorry mate I got a little muddled:

The GKOrganics Palm Ash is 0-1-30 actually and I wasn't clear in saying that it acts as a PK type bloom-booster when mixed with guano, especially the Guano Kalong range according to them; but they would say that as they want you to be THEIR guano

Nice One

 

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That's better!! Now we have a good thread!! As we, as canna farmers, get to be more accpted, we need to be "Green" so to speak, building organic soil, living soil. I know there are other threads out there in IC land. Check 'em out, all of 'em. And tell us how you're adapting and adopting!!