Aliens Exist' Says Canada's Former Defense Minister

[Weird]

we have created an experiment where rna transformed into dna as a basis for understanding the creation of life

we are on the cusp of being able to seed life elsewhere in the universe using rna/dna

we could very well be the aliens to our own future generations and based on this concept and fractals we could very well be the product of life in the very same manner

needless to say i have a hard time believing we are the only life in all the universe(s)

 

[RetroGrow]

So i'm a fan boy because i happen to agree that you talk utter pish Retro ,grow up you gullible fool if you can't take a bit neg rep maybe you need to wait till your older to post on a public forum especially if your going to keep believing in stuff that is obviously nonsense to anyone with the slightest bit of common sense

Correction: Fanboy + douchebag+ tiny brain.

 

[bill cooper]

So you think a lot of human inventions were due to aliens and i'm the one with the tiny brain retro = thick as pig shit

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

T...R...O...L...L

 

[bill cooper]

Thick muppet

 

[RetroGrow]

T...R...O...L...L

Yup. No question the boy is a troll. Nothing to contribute. Just here to criticize. Twat.

 

[RetroGrow]

we have created an experiment where rna transformed into dna as a basis for understanding the creation of life

we are on the cusp of being able to seed life elsewhere in the universe using rna/dna

we could very well be the aliens to our own future generations and based on this concept and fractals we could very well be the product of life in the very same manner

needless to say i have a hard time believing we are the only life in all the universe(s)

Yes. Chariots of the Gods comes to mind. There is a general consensus among scientists that life on earth came from outer space, by way of frozen asteroids.

 

[m314]

Yes. Chariots of the Gods comes to mind. There is a general consensus among scientists that life on earth came from outer space, by way of frozen asteroids.

It's not really a consensus yet, but it's fun to think about. Lots of scientists think life on Earth originated here. It turns out that the basic building blocks of life like amino acids and nucleotides are created pretty commonly when the circumstances are right. Making the leap from simple organic compounds to self replicating systems is the part we aren't sure about yet. Simple life forms like bacteria could have started on their own here or they could have come from somewhere else.

I went to an astronomy lecture a few years ago about the potential for life on Titan, one of the moons of Saturn. The conditions on Titan are so different from Earth, it seems impossible that Earth-like life could survive there. A completely different type of life is possible, though. Lakes of liquid methane could harbor a different form of life without the need for water.

The guy who gave the lecture was the guy who designed the Huygens Titan probe that landed there. The probe returned some data that supported the initial theory about life there, like the change in methane levels going from the upper to lower atmosphere. It reported some other data inconsistent with the predictions. There wasn't anything conclusive either way.

Discovering a completely new kind of life somewhere else would be proof of a "Second Genesis". If life evolved seperately on two worlds in our own solar system, it would mean life is common throughout the universe. Discovering life based on Earth-like organic compounds would be evidence for Panspermia, the idea that life originated somewhere else and came here through an asteroid. Proof of either one would probably be the biggest discovery in human history.

Other life might be on Titan. It might be on Europa, and it might have been on Mars at some point. Given what we know now, it's almost certainly out there somewhere. Our galaxy has hundreds of billions of stars, most of which have solar systems like ours. There are hundreds of billions of other galaxies in our universe. If the leading ideas in multiverse theory are correct, there are countless other universes outside of ours. It seems unlikely that this is the only planet with intelligent life.

 

[LEF]

I hate it when people who are "passé" (outdated)

come back to get a piece of the light/shine

when you we're in power, you had power, you could do something (maybe)

now you are gone, and you want us to listen to you ? get out of here

it kind of makes me think of people who at the time they we're in power, did not support marijuana, but now, when the tide is changing, and when they don't have to take responsibility for beliefs/values, they want to preach.

 

[RetroGrow]

It's not really a consensus yet, but it's fun to think about. Lots of scientists think life on Earth originated here. It turns out that the basic building blocks of life like amino acids and nucleotides are created pretty commonly when the circumstances are right. Making the leap from simple organic compounds to self replicating systems is the part we aren't sure about yet. Simple life forms like bacteria could have started on their own here or they could have come from somewhere else.

I went to an astronomy lecture a few years ago about the potential for life on Titan, one of the moons of Saturn. The conditions on Titan are so different from Earth, it seems impossible that Earth-like life could survive there. A completely different type of life is possible, though. Lakes of liquid methane could harbor a different form of life without the need for water.

The guy who gave the lecture was the guy who designed the Huygens Titan probe that landed there. The probe returned some data that supported the initial theory about life there, like the change in methane levels going from the upper to lower atmosphere. It reported some other data inconsistent with the predictions. There wasn't anything conclusive either way.

Discovering a completely new kind of life somewhere else would be proof of a "Second Genesis". If life evolved seperately on two worlds in our own solar system, it would mean life is common throughout the universe. Discovering life based on Earth-like organic compounds would be evidence for Panspermia, the idea that life originated somewhere else and came here through an asteroid. Proof of either one would probably be the biggest discovery in human history.

Other life might be on Titan. It might be on Europa, and it might have been on Mars at some point. Given what we know now, it's almost certainly out there somewhere. Our galaxy has hundreds of billions of stars, most of which have solar systems like ours. There are hundreds of billions of other galaxies in our universe. If the leading ideas in multiverse theory are correct, there are countless other universes outside of ours. It seems unlikely that this is the only planet with intelligent life.

Yes, life could have come from primordial soup.
We now know for sure that Mars had water, and where there is water, life is possible/probable. Recent speculation is that life moves around the universe frozen in asteroids, and when these asteroids crash land somewhere, those dormant organisms are thawed and reborn. The universe is infinite, so the possibilities are infinite. The laws of physics as we have known them are constantly being updated, as we slowly unlock the secrets of this infinite complexity. We could be millions or even billions of years behind other possible life forms, and there's no telling what their technology might be, or how far behind we are in our understanding.

 

[RetroGrow]

FYI: Can Anything Move Faster Than Light?
Yes, the universe itself will eventually outpace the speed of light. Just how this will happen is a bit complicated, so let's begin at the very beginning: the big bang. Around 14 billion years ago, all matter in the universe was thrown in every direction. That first explosion is still pushing galaxies outward. Scientists know this because of the Doppler effect, among other reasons. The wavelengths of light from other galaxies shift as they move away from us, just as the pitch of an ambulance siren changes as it moves past.

Take Hydra, a cluster of galaxies about three billion light years away. Astronomers have measured the distance from the Earth to Hydra by looking at the light coming from the cluster. Through a prism, Hydra's hydrogen looks like four strips of red, blue-green, blue-violet and violet. But during the time it takes Hydra's light to reach us, the bands of color have shifted down toward the red end—the low-energy end—of the spectrum. On their journey across the universe, the wavelengths of light have stretched. The farther the light travels, the more stretched it gets. The farther the bands shift toward the red end, the farther the light has traveled. The size of the shift is called the redshift, and it helps scientists figure out the movement of stars in space. Hydra isn't the only distant cluster of galaxies that displays a redshift, though. Everything is shifting, because the universe is expanding. It's just easier to see Hydra's redshift because the farther a galaxy is from our own, the faster it is moving away.

There is no limit to how fast the universe can expand, says physicist Charles Bennett of Johns Hopkins University. Einstein's theory that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light in a vacuum still holds true, because space itself is stretching, and space is nothing. Galaxies aren't moving through space and away from each other but with space—like raisins in a rising loaf of bread. Some galaxies are already so far away from us, and moving away so quickly, that their light will never reach Earth. "It's like running a 5K race, but the track expands while you're running," Bennett says. "If it expands faster than you can run, you'll never get where you're going."
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-09/fyi-can-anything-move-faster-light

 

[m314]

It's fun to read about multiverse theory too. Our universe isn't really infinite; we know about how old it is and about how big it is. What if our universe is just one of many? What if there's space outside of what was created in the Big Bang?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

Brian Greene does a good job of explaining multiverse theory in a way that's easy to understand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hidden_Reality

This is an area of science that's hard to test. We can come up with beautiful mathematical models of other universes that make perfect sense. It's just hard to prove one way or the other with the evidence we have today.

 

[RetroGrow]

It's fun to read about multiverse theory too. Our universe isn't really infinite; we know about how old it is and about how big it is. What if our universe is just one of many? What if there's space outside of what was created in the Big Bang?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse

Brian Greene does a good job of explaining multiverse theory in a way that's easy to understand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hidden_Reality

This is an area of science that's hard to test. We can come up with beautiful mathematical models of other universes that make perfect sense. It's just hard to prove one way or the other with the evidence we have today.

I don't think there is any question but that there are multiple universes. Anyone who has taken orange sunshine knows this.
Of course we can't see them, but it's not logical that there could be only one universe.

 

[idiit]

i'm really into the aliens exist idea. there is a dude called andrew bartzis that has a bunch of audio podcasts out. i think he is the best source on et/ed (extradimensional) stuff. i spend a couple of hours/day on this subject and i think bartzis is by far the best source. he is really getting a lot of accolades from others in the field. here are some links for anyone interested:

http://www.prometheanreach.com/andrewbartzis

 

[lulzz]

when you say life came in on asteroids, what do you mean by that? building blocks of life or bacteria that survives the impact or?

this is just my opinion based on my study

since we have the building blocks for life all over our solar system, i find it very unlikely that our origin should come from anywhere outside of it

unless life came in on a space ship, which makes no sense to me considering we already have everything that is needed, then it 110 % sure that life came to earth on an asteroid, everything on earth and earth itself comes from asteroids

where could life originate outside of earth and then be able to get here? how would a bacteria or something living get from mars to earth

my understanding is that after earth cooled down, asteroids brought the most of our materials and building blocks of life

then over 3 - 3.5 billion years things slowly evolved to what it is now through evolution

 

[trichrider]

so it is.
life is a matter of water and electricity.
the electric sun spews hydrogen (and all other elements) that impacts oxygen of our atmosphere to create water (H2O)
as mentioned by weird, rna and/or dna combined with water will propagate life.
there is no need for life to have come from outside our solar system but it's not unlikely there is life elsewhere.
there is water everywhere they look, we have not been granted some unique property alowing us to be the only living beings in the universe.

and einstein was a great thinker but he got it wrong. the void is full.

 

[lulzz]

there is no need for life to have come from outside our solar system but it's not unlikely there is life elsewhere.
there is water everywhere they look, we have not been granted some unique property alowing us to be the only living beings in the universe.

and einstein was a great thinker but he got it wrong. the void is full.

no one is saying life is unlikely outside of our solar system

there is so many planets that in the end life is highly possible, but earth's and our conditions are still so uniqe that we could be 1 out of a billion planets, its expected that a galaxy like ours with 400+ billion stars only has a couple hundred earth like planets

 

[juggo]

So how does universal consciousness fit in?Could our spiritual,or conscious mind continue after death as stated in the quantum entanglement or other quantum theories?Do our eyes only see certain spectrum's,or dimensions?Does our brain create the spectrum's it wants to visualize? Theres a lot of amazing things going on between the visible spectrum of light,sound,frequency,what manifests as individual perception. I think we perceive maybe 2% of what is really happening.The dimensions of reality are staggering.To really lift the veils of illusion,well,something most people don't want to know or see.Generations of brainwashing and dumbing down the masses is evidence.Be careful,because the truth is truly out there,and not hidden,and it will change you.Aliens are the last thing you should worry about,my brothers. Nice thread,thanks.

peace,
juggo

 

[LEF]

Generations of brainwashing and dumbing down the masses is evidence.Be careful,because the truth is truly out there,and not hidden,and it will change you.Aliens are the last thing you should worry about,my brothers. Nice thread,thanks.

peace,
juggo

how do you know the truth is out there ?

and how do you know it will change someone ?

 

[juggo]

I believe the truth is out there,because it cant be hidden,I believe the truth shall set you free,but i was wrong,it can only change someone who lifts the veils of illusion,how you lift them is on you.If you do enough research,it will change you,rest assured . Do you not believe the truth is out there?Do you think you cannot change your outlook?Do you think you can manipulate your reality?do you really believe the truth cannot change you?Do you underestimate the power of your own mind?Cannot you distinguish truth and manipulation?Do you really believe there is no truth?you are right,without truth,there cannot be change.

peace,
juggo