Most potent strains

[bioguy]

Clones of NL5 Hz x both A and C versions, G13 Hz A , HP Hz C and Nevil`s Hz selected from big green house selection runs ,have circulated Southern Holland for more than 20 years .

I love this kind of history!
I really should have titled this "most influential plant" and this one is a top candidate.

Do you happen to know about the NL5 momma.
According to
http://en.**********.eu/strain-info/Northern_Lights_Nr5/The_Seed_Bank/ it was only available as a cutting from Nevil (and his grape vine).

But to this day I see NL5 crosses. If my memory serves me correctly, some were clone only crosses. So either a male nl5 exists, a seed line is claiming to be NL5 that is not (or is IDK) or the clone only female plants were "dads"....which is possible but I doubt this is whats happening.

When I was starting this I could not help but notice that the list was dominated by a small handful of strains. After removing Chem D it got really small. Then a couple strains kept appearing as distant relatives (NL, Haze and NL5).

I figured this discussion might bring out some evidence that one or a few were "at least partially responsible" for elevating cannabis to the heights it has achieved.

I am convinced that the question is basically solved. It should not surprise anyone who has followed the history of cannabis genetics. Answer = NL, Haze and NL5/Haze. I give the G-13/HP runner up. If we someday confirm that Chem D is a G-13/HP then I say its a tie.

SPECULATION THAT MIGHT MAKE YOU GO CRAZY: Nevil's comments about haze backcrosses yielding Chem odors really makes me think something crazy might have happened. Maybe Chem D is an Indica dom pheno that arose from a G-13/HP x Haze cross. Both strains were readily available in the years just prior to its discovery. I don't really think this happened or could be proven but it would just be funny if our newest hot shit plant was a cross of our 2 oldest hot shit plants.

 

[bioguy]

G-13/HP vs Mr Nice vs Ndnguy Ghash

Does anyone know the details behind the relatedness of these 3 strains.

If I have followed correctly
G-13/HP is the original from the original Sensi?
Mr Nice is a remake from similar stock by the new Sensi (backcross to the NL maybe)?
Ghash is from an upseed of the original Sensi stock

 

[bioguy]

Does Romulan deserve more discussion?

 

[bioguy]

The HT article says they tested 300+ strains. After removing Chem D, NL, NL5 and Haze descendants from the winners only the following 5 remain.

1) Durban Poison
2) Golden Goat ( Island Sweet Skunk x Hawaiian x Romulan)
3) Dr. Grinspoon (Heirloom Sativa)
4) LA Confidential
5) Dark Star

 

[JetLife175]

out of all you mentioned in the last few posts i am leanin towards the notion of the 5HzA taking the crown..

 

[canned abyss1]

I think Ace's Golden Tiger is right up there with some of the best. This stuff is very potent.

 

[symbiote420]

G-13/HP vs Mr Nice vs Ndnguy Ghash

Does anyone know the details behind the relatedness of these 3 strains.

If I have followed correctly
G-13/HP is the original from the original Sensi? not Sensi ....The Seed Bank!! Sensi came later
Mr Nice is a remake from similar stock by the new Sensi (backcross to the NL maybe)?
Ghash is from an upseed of the original Sensi stock

^^^Yep!
And the Mr. Nice Guy is probably and f? gen from the originals ...seems she has more purple phenos that pop up too though. Who really knows but the peeps that did the actual project(s) ...and they're sticking to their story!

 

[Pbud]

Chem D is the strongest I have ever experienced!

 

[Pbud]

We still have a hash plant cut from the 80's. Very tired but if they tested back then it would have tested high!

 

[Pbud]

I was reading the last two years High Times worlds strongest strains and came across a comment about chem dawg that got me thinking.

The article said out of 300 entries only 31 had 20% THC or higher and 22 of the 31 had Chem Dawg in their history somewhere. It basically gives the "most potent lineage" award to Chem Dawg. No surprise there.

What it does not say, is what are the other strains. I decided to do the work and share it.

The Strains without any Chem Dawg are:
1) Durban Poison
2) G-13 x Widow
3) Golden Goat ( Island Sweet Skunk x Hawaiian x Romulan)
4) Dr. Grinspoon (Heirloom Sativa)
5) Blue Dream (Blueberry Haze)
6) LA Confidential (pressuming the OG La Affie is not a real OG)
7) Diamond Girl’s (Early Pearl x Skunk x Northern Lights)
8) Super Lemon Haze
9) Boost (Sweet Tooth, NL, NorCal Blueberry)
10) Strawberry Cough
11) Cracker Jack (G-13 x Jack Herer)
12) Cactus (Dutch Treat x NL)
13) Cobra (Malawi x NL)
14) Dark Star (Hindu/Afghan)

Mostly this is just an FYI because when people ask "whats the best" the thread always goes haywire. But I am also skeptical about giving the award the strongest lineage to Chem Dawg.

First we don't know what CD's lineage is. It could be Durban Blueberry Haze for all we know (probably not but its history is unknown).

Second the list has a land race, a couple land race hybrids and several with NL and Skunk (one of the oldest stable hybrids). It may be that CD is so popular way more entries tilted the results in its favor.

Third, cracker jack and cactus are pure old school dutch genetics.

I am not trying to downplay how amazing CD and its kids are but this may shed some light on something somehow. In the 90's when Chem Dawg came around NL, G-13, Jack Herer, Widow, Skunk and Afghan were extremely popular strains and dominated the market. This leads me to believe that at least one of them parented the Chem Dawg. I say parented because I don't think the weed Chem Dawg bought was like the Chem Dawg he got from the seeds (can someone correct me if this is wrong)
Speculation 1: unknown indica strain (Kush, HP or NL?)
Speculation 2: Nepali x Thai
The first seems way more likely.

Anyway...if you plan on doing any Chem Dawg crosses I suspect on of the strains above would be a no brainer

The Weed Chemdog bought was a lot like the Chem 91 and Chem d. We sold it to Chemdog after we met him on dead tour. It was called Dogbud and parents were not Jack Her or any listed above. We were told it was grown in Oregon but who knows.

 

[Pbud]

Chem d was one of the seeds he found in the dog bud we sent him. He popped it in 2000 I believe.

 

[HerbScience]

adding terpenes

adding terpenes

You can get high on THC alone, but that said THC + terpenes do a much better job. Why are there so many different highs reported from Cannabis that basically have only THC? Terpenes.
Your question should be, if the cannabis had terpenes would I get more or stronger effects?
-SamS

try this experiment, take some no smell bud and squirt it with citrus peels (bend the peel and it squirts from the pores) let dry a couple minutes and smoke, see how it changes the high

 

[ThaiBliss]

... but it would just be funny if our newest hot shit plant was a cross of our 2 oldest hot shit plants.

Greetings,

Not to pick on you Bioguy. I think you are actually on to something here. Your quote is just an opportunity to launch my tirade:

Ha! I'm an old-timer. This is hilarious to me. I think quality and potency has gone way, way, way down since I was young.

When I was a kid, and all the top shelf killer strains were sativa. There was a controversy if cannabis was a hallucinogen or a narcotic. Well, it was both depending on the variety. In my opinion, the best sativa strains, or any strain for that mater, were hallucinogenic sativas. Indica was more narcotic. Narcotic won, due to convenience and monetary reasons. It was easier to grow in the U.S., indoors, and was more profitable, period. New smokers became accustomed to the indica and indica crosses. So they have culturally learned to prefer them.

I don't think these new strains can touch the best old sativas for pure quality and potency. In fact, the best narcotic indica x sativa hybrids all have a great sativa in it's genetic background. I bet all the best strains on "the list" here all have Thai in it. Haze... yes. Chem D... yes, Northern Lights #5... yes, and on and on and on. By the way, during all this crossing with indicas, we have lost a lot of the great sativa strains in the world. When people grow for money, it fucks up everything.

Before the "modern" breeding period in the last 35 years, there were generations of shamans hard at work for 10 thousand years. And, they were doing so for medicinal and spiritual purposes. I think growers and pollen chuckers today really need to get over themselves!

Just venting...

Peace to all growers of any kind. At least it is on the verge of being legal. That may help straighten us all out of our twisted realities, if it is not controlled by corporate interests only (the next fight).



ThaiBliss

 

[Gert Lush]

At least it is on the verge of being legal. That may help straighten us all out of our twisted realities, if it is not controlled by corporate interests only (the next fight).

I don't think you need to worry about corporate interests.

I doubt that they even know what psychotropic cannabis IS, I'm sure they couldn't care less, hell, I doubt if they could spell it. Really, really off the radar for them. Jeez, it's off the radar of most stoners. For those of us who do like it, we have the advantage that it is totally our own field. No intrusions!

As for "MacDonalds" stoner cannabis, in my view, the corporates are welcome to it. They deserve it, as do their customers. Everyone is happy.

 

[siftedunity]

When people grow for money, it fucks up everything.

many say this.. but if it wasn't for growing for money, most people wouldn't even have ever got to smoke weed. it became a commodity because it had a market and was worth money.

 

[FinalGuild1999]

no super silver haze?

..and no Kosher Kush ??? This a very potent ....

 

[Tonygreen]

Old timers say potency went down, I gave a joint of pre rolled sour bubble to this old hippy lady I work with, she brought half of it back the next day and said "don't ever give me that shit again, had me fucked up bad"

 

[Dr. Purpur]

There were some great Hazes and Sativas back in the 60s and 70s. There was also a whole bunch of mexican brick weed.

I think it was about 1972 when the Columbian started really flowing into Oakland harbor. I was paying $40.00 per zip for wonderful gooey dank Columbian Red. That stuff had a body high and head high. It was around for along time

In 1976 I scored some Imported Cambodian Red from Dennis Peron. It tasted like a ladies perfume (in a good way) and I was halucinating somewhat. There were great thai sticks, Budha sticks, and hash. All imported. The haze from Santa Cruz obviously wasnt imported. It was also expensive as hell. I do remember being way out in the woods, in the sierras. We smoked some haze and I think we got lost. There were invisible beings following us from above. Aliens or demons or something. My buddy knew they were there too. Scary Shit!

 

[symbiote420]

My uncles are in their late 60's to early 80's and they all say the erb is way stronger/better now ......almost any strain can devastate virgin lungs, that's what we all had when we started smoking the herb, I've been smoking over two & a half decades and my tolerance ain't hardly as weak as it used to be back in the daze

I used to think my friends that wouldn't smoke regs with me back then were just being a-holes lol ...guess I'm being one now!

 

[pappy masonjar]

I agree, when I hear older folks say herb was stronger back in the day, I wonder if they are factoring in tolerance. When I first started smoking, all that was available to me was scwhag. Straight poop. And I got higher then, off that, prolly than I do now off of oil. The high was garbage. Drowsy, headaches, etc. But since I had no tolerance, I got high really easily.
Imho it makes sense that weed is better and more potent now. Evolution usually tends to move foward.