BlueDigiBerry F2

[Gil Tokerson]

Update: 28 days 12/12

Since I went through and removed all male flowers,I haven't seen anymore. Although #2 is really bushy, so I could easily miss some on her.
The variation on these girls is comical. They are SO different!
#1 is basically just one big cola, with almost no side branches. Still not much for smell. Just your basic fresh pot smell.
#2 is ridiculously bushy. Perfect scrog plant. Smell is fruity sweet funk. I couldn't say "blueberry", just fruity.
#3 smells of straight blueberry muffins! The first time I noticed it,I couldn't believe it. It really does smell like blueberry and sweet dough. Unfortunately, it's also the smallest and slowest grower of the bunch. The main top kind of looks weird also. I think it's a little too close to the light, but I can't raise it at the moment.
I'll post some pics next. I apologize for the picture quality. It's my cell phone with poor lighting.

On a side note, I dusted my dna lemon skunk, and an unknown OG with the quad male pollen. I'll post some pics of those as well.
-gil

 

[Gil Tokerson]

#1 left. #3 behind #2 right and a little og clone poking up on the middle


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[Gil Tokerson]

#1


#2


#3 bb muffins

 

[dank.frank]

#3 smells of straight blueberry muffins! The first time I noticed it,I couldn't believe it. It really does smell like blueberry and sweet dough.

Your #3 is super DJ looking type blueberry for certain though. No doubt. It seems a nice expression for sure.

Yeah, uhhhh huuuuuhhh.....that's right...I called it...boooooo yyyyyaaaaaaa!!!



It's always very reassuring to know, that I KNOW what I'm looking for / seeing within given genetic lines...

I'm super glad you've continued with the grow, Gil!

Can't wait to hear your impressions on these when they are done! Ideal pheno would be the smell/flavor of the Digi with the long stacking colas from VG's lady - you might just have yourself a winner there, Gil!



dank.Frank

 

[Gil Tokerson]

Yeah DF, you got it! That's what I thought the first time I smelled it! It's really a nice smell. It also had they least amount of herm issues. Just a few bananas at the nodes, no balls. I'm hoping if I run her again by herself, and get her a little more dialed in, that I can improve the slow growth. Her cuts rooted, so we'll see soon enough!
Hey VG, do you notice any similarities in any of mine to yours?
-gil

 

[Gil Tokerson]

#3 closer shot (bb muffins!)

 

[Gil Tokerson]

Unknown og seeded with quad bdb male:



Dna lemon skunk seeded with same male:

 

[browntrout]

Where can I get seeds!!!!!

 

[Gil Tokerson]

The bluedigiberry f2s are from verdant green seeds on seedbay. not sure if any are still available. As for my crosses, I'm just experimenting. These are the first seeds I've ever made, and I only dusted a few buds.
However, I would be more than happy to send a few to vg or df if they wanted.

-gil

 

[VerdantGreen]

yeah i think there a few packs still up!

Gil, hats off to you for perseverance! it would be great if the male flowers were just a 'wobble' and no more appear. time will tell i should keep an eye on them... but that goes for any plant from seed really.

your number 3 plant does look similar to my BB mum in some ways

but it sounds like the terpenes are straight from the digi side because my Bb doesnt develop berry smells till later in flowering. The sweet funk you are getting from 2 sounds more like mine at this stage. also look out for sweet hashy tones and cotton candy funk.

anyway i'm really pleased because it looks like the genetics from the two lines have recombined really well and there are plenty of possibilities for different phenos with a range of traits from each side of the family... this is what i was hoping for with these F2s so peeps could find themselves a good blue representation to keep or choose the traits they like for further breeding

also, given that these are F2s, they are more likely to breed true for their traits than if they were F1s

keep us posted Gil, fingers crossed, go easy on the nutes and try and keep the environment stable!

VG

 

[oldbootz]

ok im back for a quick comment.

all the plants are in about week 5 of flower. I had a big problem shortly after posting the last pics, my ballast broke and it was swapped to a 250HPS + some CFL for a whole week before i got a new 600w digital ballast put in. There were definitely some photoperiod aberrations due to this... so out of the 6 fems, i had one full herm and two that are on close watch for looking like they might turn herm.

BlueDigiBerryF2 #1:
This one smelt the best on the stem rub from the start. It is a beautiful indica leaning phenotype with great yield and extremely rock solid feeling buds. The smells from the buds is heavenly with tones of sweet sugary candy of some kind. This one has the best looking shaped buds.

BlueDigiBerryF2 #2:
This is one of the two larger plants of the bunch. It grows big quickly and has decent yeild. The smells are more clean soap and sweet smelling. The buds are stacking nicely still and it looks like its going to go for a while longer.

BlueDigiBerryF2 #3:
This was the extreme sativa pheno. This plant over crowded everything. It grew massive and then when flower started it put on these extremely wispy stringy buds that were absolutely covered with crystals. I was hoping that it would fill in later on and was pulling my hair out trying to figure a way for this plant to not over shade the rest of them. But alas, some full size bananas were found in the flowering tips. So this one got the chop. I have put a backup clone of this into flower two days ago to give it another chance before its removed from the stable.

BlueDigiBerryF2 #4:
This one grew smaller and was a bit over shaded by the #3. But it has put on some nice medium yield so far and the smell is exquisite. Like fruity sweet skunk. Very desirable smell. A clone of this has also been added to see if the yield is better with less shade.

BlueDigiBerryF2 #5:
This is the other giant plant. Like the #2 this one grows big fast and has decent yield. Also this plant clones really well. Haven't lost a single one yet. One interesting thing to note here is that the buds have more leaf than the other plants and they are rounder, leading me to think there are quite a fair bit of indica traits being expressed in this large beauty. The buds smell a mixture of sweet and diesel fuel smells. almost a bit like burnt rubber. usually these are the kind of smells i would associate with an OG or bubba variety. so i found it interesting that this blueberry descendant has it.

BlueDigiBerryF2 #6:
This plant was very unattactive for many reasons. Slow growing, nothing unique in the smell and doesnt smell as good as some of the others. Small yield. A clone of this has been added to the flowering room to give it a second chance.

Conclusion:

My favourite plants are the #1 and the #5 with a close third being the #2. But the test is only over when the ashtray is emptied

sorry for no pics, will update soon

 

[Gil Tokerson]

Looks like we are on the same schedule! I just hit 5 weeks also. I think the heavy indica burnt rubber trait is carried over from the sour bubble that was used in the digi outcross. One of mine is of the giant indica variety. It's starting to develop a nice sweet smell, but the others had a much stronger smell early on. I had the same trouble with the faster ones shading the slower ones. Without a large space, sorting genetics is harder than I thought!
Good luck! Get us some pics up.
-gil

 

[VerdantGreen]

bootz, thanks for the update, look forward to the pics.

if you had a messed up photoperiod then i would say just one herm of 6 is not too bad. i really like the fact that mixed phenos are coming from these F2s.
as Gil says, the sour bubble male used for the digi bx does have some influence on the cross even now.

Gil, glad yours are still doing well! you are right its hard to run plants from seed and know how big they will get. i find the modular scrog keeps each plant in its own footprint but any kind of training will obviously help.

having said that, i try to avoid bending fully formed buds over unless absolutely necessary as i have seen male flowers form on them. Its much better to do all the training during veg and the stretch - then leave them alone once theyve budded up.

VG

 

[seymourbud]

bootz, thanks for the update, look forward to the pics.

if you had a messed up photoperiod then i would say just one herm of 6 is not too bad. i really like the fact that mixed phenos are coming from these F2s.
as Gil says, the sour bubble male used for the digi bx does have some influence on the cross even now.

Gil, glad yours are still doing well! you are right its hard to run plants from seed and know how big they will get. i find the modular scrog keeps each plant in its own footprint but any kind of training will obviously help.

having said that, i try to avoid bending fully formed buds over unless absolutely necessary as i have seen male flowers form on them. Its much better to do all the training during veg and the stretch - then leave them alone once theyve budded up.

VG

I have two clones currently going, and these are my 2nd run after the original plant develop some issues and had to be taken early at day 40. I grow using very small containers, and try to select plants that will not react badly to being rootbound. I have since moved to a larger container (larger by contrast only!) for these plants and at day 14 of flowering have begun to see some lower fan leaves showing the same brown spots the first plant had. I am using FFOF as the medium, water thoroughly 3-4x/week and for this round I am using no ferts, only ph'ed water. I can't post pictures, so any suggestions would be helpful.

This female I have has a pure blueberry smell, and there are "some" double serrations on the fans. I have enough clones to keep trying to narrow down the issues, but my fear is that this plant will not be a candidate for my growing style.

 

[Gil Tokerson]

That blueberry smell is the best!I don't know much about soil and containers, but VG packs 4 little pots in a 2X2 little square, and out yields me with a 600 in a 2X6 closet! Click on the links in VG's sig, and spend the next month starting at your screen in amazement. If I wanted to switch to soil,I would go through his grows and basically copy what he's doing. It's nuts.
Good luck, and try to throw a couple of pics up for comparison.
-gil

 

[VerdantGreen]

thanks gil,

seymourbud, i would have hoped that clones might fare a little better then the seed plant, but it sounds like they are rootbound too.

first off i always advise microgrowers in soil to use containers as big as they can fit into the space, so however many you use there shouldnt be any gaps between them, if there are then try and find bigger pots.

what you could try is to do a small up-pot now at 2 weeks flower, just to give a little extra soil for the roots to colonize
not sure if you veg into the pots first but with small pots it is better to transplant when you flip them to give as much new soil as possible and delay rootbinding.
if you've found a good blueberry smelling girl then its got to be worth experimenting a bit to get it right.
i dont know ffof as im in uk but you could try adding 10% EWC or good compost.

hard to say without pics but those are a few thoughts.

VG

 

[seymourbud]

Thanks for the feedback Gil and VG.
With the other strains, I never had a need to up-pot, so
this is all new to me. I did up-pot once just before the flip, so
probably 4 weeks back. The upper 75% of the plant look great,
actually impressive as she is stacking buds along the top half of
the 2 main colas. It appears to be a few fans leaves near the bottom
that are showing the brown spots of her unhappiness.

I would be afraid that up-potting again at 2 weeks into flower might drive
her to do something more drastic like throwing some male parts out.

For now, I think I may ride this out and see if she will go a bit longer then my previous attempt (40 days).
I also have some cab height restrictions, and she is at the max height my cab can support.
It seems the last up-pot really gave her room to stretch.

VG - have you found the BDB to be "overly" sensitive to nutes? I know she is a "blue", and by nature would usually prefer less/none to more.
But such a large plant (over 2' with 2 main colas) in such a small container of soil, I would think she would need some nourishment at this point
(over and above the FFOF amended soil).

I will keep you posted...

 

[bigshrimp]

Great documentation guys!

Got some of these on the way and i appreciate the little preview you all are giving me.

 

[oldbootz]

hey everyone,

@seymourbud:

VG - have you found the BDB to be "overly" sensitive to nutes?

I run a light organic mix and usually in the 3rd-4th week i start feeding some biobizz because the plants have depleted a lot of the base nutrients. But so far with the BlueDigiBerry F2s they are looking perfectly green and do not require any extra at week 5. So I would say they are light feeding strain definitely.

begun to see some lower fan leaves showing the same brown spots

From what i have read about FFOF most people tend to cut it with extra perlite and i would add some worm castings and lime for good measure as VG mentioned. but this advice is coming from two people who have both not used FFOF ourselves.

Brown spots depending on their pattern can be either magnesium, phosphorous or calcium ~ lockout or deficiency. If you are feeding pH'd water (hopefully 6.0?) then you can assume that there is no lockout and it must be a deficiency. but don't be scared of a few leaves at the bottom of the plant dying off, micro-growing in small pots can have you facing many barriers to keeping a healthy plant but they can, in some cases, be overcome. the first thing is to learn how to read the signs. for instance, most of the time when there is a bad enough lockout of phosphorous, there is also an excess of purple in the stems. magnesium shows first by yellowing in between the leaf veins. calcium is harder to read but the leaves start to go a bit leathery before the small dead spots start appearing closer to where the leaves blades end and usually the main leaf vein area is clear of spots. yellowing is also common with calcium deficiencies.

now if your problem is a simple deficiency then its easy to correct. you just add the ingredient that contains what the plant needs. phosphorous = bat guano, magnesium = epsom salts, calcium = dolomite lime. but in reality its not always as simple.

A plant usually has an idea of how much space it has to grow roots. when a plant discovers that it cant make any more roots (rootbound) then it knows that in order to sustain further growth it has to shed its lowest growth. there are two things that you can do to overcome this: 1. increase wet dry frequency by giving small amounts of water into soil with quick drainage (eg. drip system) 2. use products with cytokinins and auxins (liquid seaweed extracts). these plant hormones bypass the plants decision to slow down growth due to restricted root growth. i would only use this in vegetative state. and beware because as the plants grow bigger in their small pots you might have to be watering multiple times per day to keep them looking happy and not dropping foliage.

a perfectly balanced soil mix is a must before you start any micro attempt so i would definitely start learning about how VG makes his soil by clicking on the links to his threads in his signature. he has done more documented soil experiments than any other person on icmag that i have seen. my soil mix that i use was originally based on VGs mix but I had to use products from the country where i live so i ended up changing the recipe over a few years to get it just right and i think i've got it sorted out now. i love me some volcanic rock dust will try get pics up this weekend for you guys.

 

[oldbootz]

Looks like we are on the same schedule! I just hit 5 weeks also. I think the heavy indica burnt rubber trait is carried over from the sour bubble that was used in the digi outcross. One of mine is of the giant indica variety. It's starting to develop a nice sweet smell, but the others had a much stronger smell early on. I had the same trouble with the faster ones shading the slower ones. Without a large space, sorting genetics is harder than I thought!
Good luck! Get us some pics up.
-gil

Thanks for reminding me that the Digi male was crossed to sour bubble it completely skipped my mind. Great to see we are on the same schedule! VG makes it look easy in scrogs...