That's an interesting point. I agree we are proximate to toxins like tailpipe exhaust. But isn't a better analogy, for consuming cannabis, taking a big inhale off of a tailpipe?
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Caution when using "Hot Shot No-Pest Strips."
- Thread starter Mr.Hades
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That's an interesting point. I agree we are proximate to toxins like tailpipe exhaust. But isn't a better analogy, for consuming cannabis, taking a big inhale off of a tailpipe?
ive used them a couple of times over the years to combat spider mites and more recently a thrips infestation. i believe that used properly its an effective and somwhat safe tool in the arsenal for fighting back insect problems. i dont think something this strong should be constantly used for preventative measures since organic or less toxic means of can work just as good. once you have an infestation is when these things should be used sparingly.
in my own experience i used them 1st to knock out a spider mite infestation many years agop. at the time i had a bad house fly problem so i was like great!! lets put this thing out in the living room and no more flies! well over the next few days i started having muscle weakness and my stomach was always in knots. i didnt attribute this to the pest strip untill the muscle weakness increased dramatically and i started having twitching in my facial muscles..it finally dawned on me that man something is up and i connected the dots. once removed all the bad effects went away..to this day i get twitches in my eyes every once in a while when im stressed or tired. i cant directly attribute this to the strips but i cant exactly rule it out either..
in my own experience i used them 1st to knock out a spider mite infestation many years agop. at the time i had a bad house fly problem so i was like great!! lets put this thing out in the living room and no more flies! well over the next few days i started having muscle weakness and my stomach was always in knots. i didnt attribute this to the pest strip untill the muscle weakness increased dramatically and i started having twitching in my facial muscles..it finally dawned on me that man something is up and i connected the dots. once removed all the bad effects went away..to this day i get twitches in my eyes every once in a while when im stressed or tired. i cant directly attribute this to the strips but i cant exactly rule it out either..
its not good to be breathing that stuff all day. limited exposure only
My basic experience is that anything without an OMRI label is dangerous to human health and even OMRI listed pesticides/insecticides/fungicides can be poisonous. As a large-scale grower for a dispensary, my first priority is to produce the safest, highest quality medicine possible.
It is my experience that working at a commercial grow you MUST have IPM to prevent worst-case scenario outbreaks of pests/fungus. When used regularly and properly, organic OMRI listed pest control products WORK. They must be used at regular intervals, and they must be applied properly though.
As far as products are concerned, organic or inorganic, something to pay VERY close attention to is whether or not the product is intended for FOOD or ORNAMENTAL crops. For example, Floramite which is used by some growers is listed specifically for ornamentals. Yet, growers sometimes use this on cannabis which could be considered a food crop since it will be ingested. Now, I don't intend to imply that NPS are on the same level as Floramite in terms of health hazards. The NPS label does however have a warning 'known to cause cancer by the state of california'. Just because something passes FDA approval doesn't mean that it is safe for us - lots of things that are FDA approved cause long-term negative heal impacts in humans.
I'm not telling anyone one way or another to use or not use NPS. All I know is that when presented with buds that have only been treated PROPERLY with OMRI listed insecticides or buds that have been treated with pesticides, even organic ones that are not intended for food crops, I will always choose the former.
The real point I am making is that you should understand how a pesticide functions, does any residue remain in the plant? Does the plant incorporate any of the chemical into it's tissues? And always, be honest with yourself and others that are smoking your product/medicine. Let them know what went into your final product and allow them to decide if it's safe to ingest or not.
It is my experience that working at a commercial grow you MUST have IPM to prevent worst-case scenario outbreaks of pests/fungus. When used regularly and properly, organic OMRI listed pest control products WORK. They must be used at regular intervals, and they must be applied properly though.
As far as products are concerned, organic or inorganic, something to pay VERY close attention to is whether or not the product is intended for FOOD or ORNAMENTAL crops. For example, Floramite which is used by some growers is listed specifically for ornamentals. Yet, growers sometimes use this on cannabis which could be considered a food crop since it will be ingested. Now, I don't intend to imply that NPS are on the same level as Floramite in terms of health hazards. The NPS label does however have a warning 'known to cause cancer by the state of california'. Just because something passes FDA approval doesn't mean that it is safe for us - lots of things that are FDA approved cause long-term negative heal impacts in humans.
I'm not telling anyone one way or another to use or not use NPS. All I know is that when presented with buds that have only been treated PROPERLY with OMRI listed insecticides or buds that have been treated with pesticides, even organic ones that are not intended for food crops, I will always choose the former.
The real point I am making is that you should understand how a pesticide functions, does any residue remain in the plant? Does the plant incorporate any of the chemical into it's tissues? And always, be honest with yourself and others that are smoking your product/medicine. Let them know what went into your final product and allow them to decide if it's safe to ingest or not.
One other quick thought, continued use of ANY pesticides whether organic or not leads to chemically-resistant pests. Mites specifically develop tolerance to chemicals over time and to prevent the creation of 'super' mites or other insects, we should all be rotating through products (safe ones) on a regular basis. This is more then just trying to be responsible with ouur finished product but also being responsible in our communities and not contributing to the presense of chemically resistant populations of bugs which can become problems for other people with gardens who live close by.
sage advice, always, i mean always rotate your pesticides.
NPS are great, they leave no residuals on your plants and work like a charm on the target pest if used properly,
i have an 8x8x8 bloom room, when i use NPS i hit and hit em hard!
i hang 6-7 with the xaust off.
next morning anything dichlorvos acts on is DOA.
pack your NPS back into their original packaging, foil line plastic of some type.
if you put them in a baggie they are losing strength.
if possible tent your plants if you only have a few NPS
I use them one time in the 1st 2wks of bloom and in veg.
and thats it
the only time yyou may want to use it back to back on spider mites is when they laid eggs and then a hard hit 7 days apart to hit the hatchlings and your good
i use it now mainly as a preventative and then rotate with something else.
there are so many things out there for your common spider
you shouldn't have to use the same thing twice
volck oil is always in my cabinet, and its an ovacide
kills mites white flies, PM etc etc
and its way low on the order of toxins
With my most recent mite issue nps did not work, first time out of 10. No product is capable of killing all mites, some will have resistance no matter what you use. Dont write them off, they dont have to be your first choice.
I thought it was common knowledge that these were unsafe to use under any circumstance.
Are they not the equivalent of just spraying raid on your plants?
Are they not the equivalent of just spraying raid on your plants?
I dont consider them bad the chemical is used in silos with food humans eat.
Please dont make me list hundreds of organic toxins. Cough cyanide cough
Organic does not mean safe, synthetic does not mean unsafe under all conditions.
Dichlorvos does decompose, it can be used safely. Do your own research im not giving suggestions you have to educate yourself.
Also spraying grams of raid directly on buds and miligrams of dichlorvos in the air around buds is different
Please dont make me list hundreds of organic toxins. Cough cyanide cough
Organic does not mean safe, synthetic does not mean unsafe under all conditions.
Dichlorvos does decompose, it can be used safely. Do your own research im not giving suggestions you have to educate yourself.
Also spraying grams of raid directly on buds and miligrams of dichlorvos in the air around buds is different
They worked fine for me about 6 years back, but this season zip. I had lots of them (maybe 6) in a small closet. I taped it shut and then heated it to 130 for 2 hours. They did nothing at all - nothing . Won't even bother trying with them in this area (Van Nuys) again. Fortunately I was close enough to the end that I was able to do a bit of a salvage.
cheifnugget
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Used to work for me now they do n9t
they can be used safely and just like any other bug killer the little bastards can become resistant...ipm should use different bug killers to avoid this
tokersmoke
Member
I got to say i have been using them for years without ill effect and have never seen any kinda anything around the grow room.I do not constantly have one in their but i think it would not hurt things.the one time i had mites it blasted them in 2 days that was years ago.my 2 c
tokersmoke
Member
Reading through on a google search they seem to be effective but as others have stated remove after no more pests.I have been using them for years and have smoked pounds of bud produced in the same room.
