MassaErba's Vert cabs!

[MassaCheif]

What up IC?! Thought I'd drop in here and share my vertical cabs:

Dual flowering cabs, 400w each. Donuts, but am installing a shelf in one to run a clone factory.

Well, let's just get to the pics:

Left cab, clockwise starting to the right of the intake - Goji OG, Shiva 99 (c99 pheno), Blue Amnesia, and 5x Cheesy Rider

Right cab, Karma Genetics Anonymous:

Veg cab, Shiva 99 (Shiva dom) big plants in the back, hiding my Karma's Anonymous plants. Clones of the plants in left cab in red cups, and Karma's Jack O Nesia seedlings on left, Trichome Jungle's Larry Smurf on right (TERRIBLE germ rates, 4/15.... old stock, though)

 

[MassaCheif]

Can't edit posts?

Anyway, I did recently try upgrading to 600w bulbs... think I'll be saving up and stacking 400's instead. Too much radiant heat from the 600's... not to mention one bulb wont ignite. Ordered the cheap Ultra Sun's ($25 each) to see if it'd work in my cabs or not.... not without cool tubes anyway, and I'd rather run bare bulbs.

Look for new pics later with shelving installed!

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

Nice rig and clean and lean doughnuts ya got...
Ummm....Shiva 99 & Blue Amnesia...Solid....

That right cab is great...
Looks like you picked the perfect height to flip them at...Nice...

Thanks for taking the time to share,MassaCheif...

2 cents on the light upgrade...
A 600 would give you a better end product I believe(could be wrong) than stacked 400s.
The heat would be about the same ATP as well...

Is that ducting, In take or exhaust ? If exhaust...
Try raising it to just above the bulb with cool intake down low.

Might take care of the heat issue with the 600...
Just a thought...

Happy green 2014...

 

[MassaCheif]

That's my intake. My exhaust is located at the very top of the cabs - 6" exhaust and intake duct for both flower cabs..... using combined 6" and 4" fan/filter combos to pull from both cabs

fan/filters are enclosed in a 2x4x2 (LxWxH; right above my veg cab) creating a vacuum pulling air through both exhaust ducts. These combine for roughly 575 cfm exhausting 4x8x6.5 = 208 cu ft. Should be right around 2x per min exhaust, I think?

Want to install dampers to close the "lights off" cab's intake, this would create much more airflow in the lights on cab hopefully enough to let me run 600's. Even with roughly 2x per minute air exhange, I was getting 95f temps with a 600... a full 20f warmer than my 400's.

Need the dampers one way or another, though. Once the lights go off, it gets about 50f in my cabs at night. Figure closing off the intake and the insulation in place should help keep it warmer.

Dial the environment first, then add more light. That's my train of thoughts, anyway.

 

[DamnUglyDogE]

Solid, someone's been doing their home work...
Thanks for the specs.. Clearer picture for sure...
Yeah 95f isn't going to get you anywhere good..
Wonder what temps stacked 400s would get ya though...
Going ta pull up the bucket and enjoy the show,
watch how you get it done.


~

 

[Marlo]

Looks good in here. Sub'd

 

[Green81]

Subbed

G81

 

[MassaCheif]

Thanks for dropping in and checking it out. Gotta get my environment dialed - shit looks nice in spring and fall, but I struggle to manage environment in the summer and winter months.

Here's some of Karma's Anonymous. Should be finished in 3 days, but I'm gonna have to let her go a bit longer. Lights on temps are @ 75, lights off temps are upper 40's, really slowing down growth and hurting yields. Probably gonna let her go another 7-10 days.

 

[MassaCheif]

Got a question for you guys. Never grown budsicles or ran a SOG before, the Karma's Anonymous run now was my , first attempt at smaller plants.... pretty much straight into flower from clone, I think I gave 'em 10-14 days to grow into the 2-gal bags.

So for budsicles... should I be pruning, at all? Or is it primarily genetics that determine whether or not a plant will be able to produce budsicles? Or would it just not be feasable given the growth traits of the cuts?

For instance, my Anonymous plants branched out pretty well during the flowering stretch, should have I topped each branch after the 1st node on it had I intended to grow budsicles?

 

[mr. gt]

Got a question for you guys. Never grown budsicles or ran a SOG before, the Karma's Anonymous run now was my , first attempt at smaller plants.... pretty much straight into flower from clone, I think I gave 'em 10-14 days to grow into the 2-gal bags.

So for budsicles... should I be pruning, at all? Or is it primarily genetics that determine whether or not a plant will be able to produce budsicles? Or would it just not be feasable given the growth traits of the cuts?

For instance, my Anonymous plants branched out pretty well during the flowering stretch, should have I topped each branch after the 1st node on it had I intended to grow budsicles?

Why budsicles? For more yield?

Theres other ways. My favorite is to use a screen. For me, it helps me keep everything organized and using lst and a whole bunch of string everywhere (which I have done) gets a little messy, for me.

I dont know how tall the cab is, but it may be possible to raise the bulb and veg the plants a little longer to get more height.

The trick to getting more yield is to have the largest surface area of branches/buds while having the most light on that surface as possible.

examples of screen vert

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=255937 - (micro) you can just do it on a larger scale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1EL9MjRJJM

that video is one of my favorites. she had basically a circle of screens like that but in that specific video she just cut down the other 2/3 of the closet. Its basically a wall of buds.

to have faster harvests you could veg the next batch a little bigger so it doesn't take as long to fill the screen. Screens look a little intimidating (to me at least) but are real easy once you have the screen set in place.


you could also do a sog- sea of green, style. But to make it yeild great you really need like a budsicle style indica or something that grows like that and basically have them go around the light.

Your onto a great start man. Care if I ask how many harvests you've had to date?

~mr. gt

 

[MassaCheif]

Why budsicles? For more yield?

Theres other ways. My favorite is to use a screen. For me, it helps me keep everything organized and using lst and a whole bunch of string everywhere (which I have done) gets a little messy, for me.

I dont know how tall the cab is, but it may be possible to raise the bulb and veg the plants a little longer to get more height.

The trick to getting more yield is to have the largest surface area of branches/buds while having the most light on that surface as possible.

examples of screen vert

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=255937 - (micro) you can just do it on a larger scale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1EL9MjRJJM

that video is one of my favorites. she had basically a circle of screens like that but in that specific video she just cut down the other 2/3 of the closet. Its basically a wall of buds.

to have faster harvests you could veg the next batch a little bigger so it doesn't take as long to fill the screen. Screens look a little intimidating (to me at least) but are real easy once you have the screen set in place.


you could also do a sog- sea of green, style. But to make it yeild great you really need like a budsicle style indica or something that grows like that and basically have them go around the light.

Your onto a great start man. Care if I ask how many harvests you've had to date?

~mr. gt

I'd like to increase plant count and decrease veg time. I figure the easiest way to fill a canopy well is to pack budsicles in there to fill the entire canopy.

I'll only be running budsicles in one of my flower cabs. I'll be installing a shelf which I've already built and do a two-tier grow of 12-18" budsicles. This should fill the 30" vertical canopy nicely.

I had screens installed on my cab after checking out Marlo's grow a while back, it was a great way to train the plants but the issue I had with it was not being able to move my plants - having to crawl in there around a hot light, etc, etc.....

Here's a shot of Karma's Biker le Blanc I ran with screen in there:

As for some indica's... I've got cuts of the only two indica's I've grown in years in my cloner right now. 20 of 'em. Shiva leaning Shiva 99's.

Harvests to date... in this particular cab I've had 2 harvests and will be chopping again this week. All together including older set-ups....maybe 10-12 harvests spaced over the years. This is my first continuous production set-up.

One cab I grow taller seed plants and select mothers, I then will be running a perpetual SOG in the other cab with clones from my mothers. I say perpetual because I intend to flower 32 clones in the cab at a time (64 when I add another light!) and can only take 25 clones at a time until I get another cloner.

 

[420ish]

i would use a separate fan in each cabinet.
less duct work and bends in crease your air flow.i am running two 600 stacked in a 4x4 x6 cabinet with its own 6 inch vortex style fan pulling thru a active air carbon filter.my intake is 2 4x10 inch passive light proof vent boxes.my light on temps with both bulbs set to 400 is 81 max .my temps with both set to 600 super lumens are 84 to 86.lights off is around 67 to 70.the other big thing is to run your fan under the bulb on its lowest setting and try to have your filter directly above the bulbs.good luck

 

[420ish]

if you use dampers for the box that is off ,your humidity can go to high and cause a bunch of new problems.smell can become a problem also with no air movement any time in flower.

 

[DabOnDabs]

Beautiful nug shots, love the donuts also. You have some beautiful fall colors. Hope mine turn out as good! Well done!

 

[MassaCheif]

Whats up 420ish! Thanks for dropping another perspective on me that I hadn't considered.... humidity.

I do think dampers would still work well in the winter, but once it warms up and the RH climbs... I'd definitely be looking at a mold issue. Probably saved me the headache of that right there.

Separate fans would definitely be ideal, especially hooked up to a environmental controller. That's definitely on my "need to ugprade" list. Built this box based on what equipment I had readily available, and I didn't have two 6" fans/filters so I thought I'd combine the power of the 6" and 4" and create a vacuum to pull from both cabs. I initially had it set up to draw air from the veg cab too, but ended up putting a 6" duct booster in there (no filter... not really needed for how short I veg).

Don't really have much duct work as it is. About 3-4 ft running from the top-center of my cabs to the "utility compartment", and then another 3-4 feet exiting the fan to outside my cab. I try to keep my runs as short as possible... they get extended in summer to vent outside.


DabsOnDabs - thanks for dropping in, man! Wish In could run my stuff half as nice as yours!

 

[MassaCheif]

Whoops. Meant to include this MSPaint of how my exhaust is set up

 

[420ish]

how big are your intake openings?i always try for 2 1/2 times the size of the exhaust openings.i have had cab and room temps go thru the roof before due to under sized intake.my light proof intake boxes maintain the 4 inch by 10 inch size opening even thru the light baffles.just looked back and saw you have 1 6 inch intake.you can add a 6 inch booster fan to your intake or add at least one more 6 inch intake opening to each cab if going passive.what do you do with the exhaust in winter?is your fresh air intake from outside?thinking a lung room where you can add the heated exhaust air to the new outside air to help even out your temps is a quick cheap fix.if you do the 6" duct booster on the intake,you can also have that hooked up to your light timer so it shuts off during lights out to try and keep your temps more stabilized.

 

[MassaCheif]

My grow is set up in my garage, unfortunately. Fresh air intake is just the garage air. The garage is in use and gets regular air exchange by the opening and closing of the doors.

I do have a massive 5000w heater in there, currently running to keep my pipes from freezing, but I generally leave it off and our winters are mostly mild enough that my garage keeps around 55f without it.

Meh, I know there's a lot of room for improvement environmentally, just one of the challenges using a garage. Two separate fans/filters would do wonders, especially when hooked to thermostats.

My box is insulated, as well, not sure if I mentioned that. Got some 1.5" insulation panels tucked in the cavity the frame left. Floor, walls, ceiling, door... all of it. Just gotta stop pulling cold air through at night, and I'd be golden in the temp department.... RH is another thing entirely.

 

[420ish]

where do you exhaust in the winter?i use the exhaust to help heat my house by running it into the cold air return for my house.it cut my heating bills in half in my last house.i think if you had more intake the temps would drop with the 600 and use the exhaust to help heat the garage and even the lights off cabinet temps.

 

[MassaCheif]

I exhaust directly into the garage in the winter, helps warm it a little. In the summer I have a window box in, and exhaust out there.

If I could, I'd vent directly into the house, but the way the house is constructed just doesn't allow that. The garage is the floor-level, and the living area is all upstairs. The roof of the garage is solid concrete, so not really as simple as cutting and mending a hole in some plywood.

This is only a temporary set-up anyway. I'm moving out of state in under a year, I'll have little-to-no use for heating outside of a space heater then. I'm just doing my best with what I got, and buying the necessary environment controls as needed. I'm striving for a completely automated grow, I want my environment dialed 100% of the time, for all stages of life. Just need to get the funds for the toys! Master controller, poratble AC, dehuey, huey and a small heater in a lung.