Indoor mmj in process

[PakaloloFromPNW]

So I stopped by to see what you're up to and you're digging down. I had a friend that cut a hole in the laundry room and dug down under his house for a grow room. It worked out nice for him.

Are you planning on having some air circulation under your floor to cut down on possible dry rot due the the moisture? I had to replace a outside wall of my house because of moisture and dry rot.

Looking forward to what you're going to put in that room. I'm very excited for you.

 

[McKush]

Question for all you mini split experts....

I've decided to get a mini split, mistsubishi most likely, and I need help deciding on a size. I'll have 2 epaps running up to a maximum of 1150W each or 2300W. In the veggie area I will have lighting too, lets say 700W. So my total lighting is 3000W or 3K. This does not factor int the studio space but we can assume its negligible.

If I use 5,000 btw per 1000W that is a 15,000 btu unit mini split then? Anyone see a fault here??? please let me know.

That said I don't think they do a 15K btu unit, what would be the best way to go?

 

[McKush]

So I stopped by to see what you're up to and you're digging down. I had a friend that cut a hole in the laundry room and dug down under his house for a grow room. It worked out nice for him.

Are you planning on having some air circulation under your floor to cut down on possible dry rot due the the moisture? I had to replace a outside wall of my house because of moisture and dry rot.

Looking forward to what you're going to put in that room. I'm very excited for you.

Hi pakalolo, you'll seeing what I'm doing about moisture control when I post some pics. I've been spending my time working on the room mostly. But I'm putting done firestone rubber liner like they use on roofs or what I used on my koi pond many years ago. its rated for 50 years or something but I suspect it lasts longer. no moisture is coming up thru it, I garaunteeee.

 

[McKush]

Back at it today! Not much vacation time left so hoping to get lots done today. spent yesterday on the floor (again for the umpteenth day. Some of the time was spent taking out/putting in a new air compressor. My old 20+ year old Sears is dying and time for a new one I guess. Anyway, staple guns, brad guns, nail guns - all locked and loaded for today.

Have to finish installing the Firestone rubber strips on the floor joists, then Whammo, slap down a floor! fucking A, I've been waiting for a FR floor for sooooo long. My body has instinctively accommodated walking around on 3" balance beams, it will be funny to walk on a flat surface for a change.... my joists are ganged 2x10s so that's a mere 2 x 1.5 = 3 fucking inches folks. Many times I've medicated and danced jigs on top of those bare joists, leaping from one to the other in time (of course) with the music. Man I wish I had a camera on me sometimes, what fucking fun. Dancing on those joists, I'm like a mad, red-eyed, fuckin' leprechaun dancing for his life and, of course, for his pot of gold.

a sight to behold, a sight to behold my friends.

 

[McKush]

*** i know your not at this point yet but look into prodex insulation. ***

Heya Gnome - dude, I am at that point! Got to do a building supply run in a bit and I'll check. Otherwise I'm prolly going with 2" blue styrafoam insulation and tons of fiberglass insulation.


hehe been woodchukin' it like a deranged mole. Dig and stage the dirt, then dump at night. Cover the expelled overdig with snow to camo it and oila. looks like it did yesterday at dawn's break...
Literally dumping dirt at 12:30a, then shower and bed each night... lol one time pain man, one time pain.

Hi Gnomie,

FYI I couldn't find the prodex locally, what I found at Lowe's was Reflectix Brand :

http://www.reflectixinc.com/

Not sure how the two stack up but its what I could find.

Also, yeah i'm using the cheap R7.5 1 1/2 inch foam. I need to check on better if I can find it but so far that is the type of styrofoam I'm using. On par with fiberglass when you factor in size - BUT - I can Green Glue the rigid sheets together and seal them very well with caulk in the walls. This should help reduce sound too, which for me is a priority.

I passed a milestone yesterday too - first 4x8 plywood sheet down in the "pit"!!!! Awesome! I can walk with no joists now and not fear breaking me wee little legs...

peace bro

 

[McKush]

Hi All - me again, who did you think it was?


Anyway, I just mentioned in a f-up post to the gnome that I passed a milestone yesterday. I installed my first piece of 4x8 3/4 inch plywood into the floor of the "pit." Freaking awesome!!! Literally everywhere I step on that 4x8 is solid wood!!!! freaking solid wood man, do you realize? can you get your head around this cosmic truth???? fucking solid wood under your feet man, get it????

No, probably not. Walk on joists for, oh, say, 4 or 5 months and you will get it. No doubt, I'm pretty, pretty sure you will get it then. Fucking solid wood man, jump up and down for goodness sakes! fucking solid wood under foot!

hehe I'm pleased. Pics when I get to it. Otherwise keep reading this dry shit will you. At least I try to make it amusing anyway.

more later, this milestone passing (like the kidney stones thru my flaccid penis) feels great. Hurt tremendously for a little bit, but much better now after the shake.

i kill me and my wife is a saint

 

[Buddler]

Much better than a red eyed leprauchan doin a jig eh Mckush. wow u really put a lot of work in gonna be epic ,time its all said and done. don't let those kidney stones slow ya bro . Get the rest of that floor down.B

 

[McKush]

hey Bud! thx for the words of encouragement. just finished lunch and lounging in my socks no less on my new 4x8 piece of plywood decking in the pit. soooo nice to walk in socks on a flat surface in here. Im sick of the high wire walk all the time, not good. only a few minor falls so far but done purdy good so far!

ok, ok. I'll get back to it. laid out a piece of ply that need to cut now.... bought a bucket of 2 1/2 " screws last night, fucking monstrous bucket of screws... will pic for ya

cheers mate

 

[McKush]

Ok y'all I'm fixin to start back postin' my build pics fers u ifsya wans ta locket em....

 

[McKush]

OK - Here are some of my pics from the early days to present....

I'll post them in groups of 4 or 5 with comments.

Enjoy

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Firestone brand rubber liner cut into many many strips. like 100 or something. hard on the back. These end up getting stored for a while.

EDIT: forgot to mention that pile on the left weighs a ton. I could barely lift it. Its probably 12' or 15' by 20' of heavy rubber cut into strips. I was fricken octo-man moving it to the side of the house till I needed it.

Early digging days

camera held above head high, door is on the left

Notice how my deck builder did NOT excavate, all the dirt and rocks was mounded up - AND - touching the joists, they were being supported by the ground. This was not what I specified all those years ago... I was travelling at the time I had the shed added so was not home to monitor the work. He DID double up the joists to hold the weight but I was not impressed with how he tied into the house. let it go McKush, let it go....

 

[McKush]

ah, more pictures so that you may fully understand the weight of my undertaking. I truly did not understand how much digging I would do from the outset. I would still do it though, so there, fuck the naysayers says McKush.

dirt

More dirt

fucking a there was dirt underneath the entire fucking thing!!

EDIT: I say "dirt" but really the top 12 to 15 inches was all river tumbled rocks and dirt and 35 years of dog shit and other assorted dog stuff like skin, hair, bones, etc... This area was my dog run and the previous two owners' dog run. blech, fricking desease and pestilence waiting to happen. bro's and bra's hear me - wear a respirator when you excavate...

 

[McKush]

--- We're sorry to interupt your regular (ah hmm) scheduled thread update to bring you this important safety message ---

while researching dehumidifiers this morn to find out what they draw wattage wise on average so that I can count up all my calories, i mean watts for some HVAC calcs, I found a recall notice from sears re: some LG dehumi units made between 2003 and 2005 being recalled. Then saw another listing for them.

Kinda scary to think the thing that pulls water out of the air can go up in flames and burn your site to the ground.

Safety first people.

http://www.medicaldaily.com/dehumidifier-recall-2013-units-sold-sears-kmart-linked-smoke-inhalation-injuries-7-million-property


I would never have expected the dehumidifier to be the weak link. its full of water for goodness sakes.

Argh. I am definitely doing the sprinkler plan I have had in mind now, that's it.

I'm right to be soooo cautious about this project's design. Fucking white tiles and a temp controlled sprinkler head in the FR and studio will be the right way to go. Very hard to burn ceramic or stone tiles...

I've been in one fire too many already over 20 years ago, they are best avoided folks, seriously now, real McKush is speaking, put safe operation as priority number 1 in your design. If not for yourself then the others you love most in this world, or all the bros and bro'dettes out here who want to foster this past time of ours into general acceptability. Not burning down your house, or catching yourself on fire with bho, is a pretty good way to be a good shephered, don't you think? Off soapbox.

 

[PakaloloFromPNW]

Fire safety is a good thing to consider. I was a fireman for 13 years so I've been to lots of fires. One of my high school hippie grow friends had a small fire and the fireman discovered his grow and called the police. They took his plants and equipment but he wasn't prosecuted because he didn't have any scales so they figured he wasn't commercial. Anyway it took him almost a year before he got up the courage to start growing again.

 

[McKush]

booya baby, break time. no dirt.

 

[McKush]

yep, dirt still there

ah the memories... this was my life for a while

sexy dirt on the beach pose

 

[McKush]

Hey pakalolo - my fire was in the early 80s while I was on leave back home and back from a years worth of combat crew flight... Somewhere... It was not grow related at all. Gas was put into the kerosene heater by my little bro.... Not good thing. Dad tripped the manual wick damper and it shot flaming gas in a fiery arc as the damper swung shut. My dad and I instantly locked eyes in a "oh fuck" moment. The carpet erupted.. A thick trunk of flame shot upwards and started linking the cedar ceiling panels. Yes the room was finished in rough cedar. Rough dry cedar.

We attempted to smother the fire with leftover carpet but the flames kept enveloping the sheets.. Last thing I remember before running out to call 911 was the heater pop and shoot a 2 or 3 foot diameter fire trunk to the ceiling and the flame hits the cedar ceiling and just fans out. We looked at each other thru the flames and signaled get the Fuck out with our eyes.

Horrific truth.

 

[McKush]

trust me, dirt in the wheelbarrow. i wouldn't lie about that.

ah - ok NOW we are finally getting somewhere....

more dirt!!!!


But wait there is actually more on the post and upon the dirt.

Ah, yes you knew as soon as you saw it what this was??

I thought so.

McKush Fluid well applied to anywhere remotely "dirty" looking.

Bonus - after I started peeing everywhere on the perimeter, I saw many fewer mice, chipmunks, and all manner of small furry rodents. They could not take or endure much of my Essence of McKush's Man Stuff (trademark applied for) being liberally sprinkled around! bye bye mr. mouse

finally committed to the design and cut the joists!!!! oh happy day, this made digging the, er, dirt much less sucky. I think afterwards it just plain sucked versus sucking ass which we all know is worse than just plain sucking.

 

[McKush]

Keep going....

This drainage pipe was not installed correctly either. improper drainage getting this area wet when it rained. The rodents were even using the pipe as a home they had knawed a hole in that black plastic end cap. This is where the sneaky bastards where going to & from all the time.

ah reminder, where your filtration masks for this, er, shit.

 

[DHF]

Journey of 1000 miles begins with the first step......You bout on 875 huh Kushy ?.........

Major respect for a job well done , so don`t fuck up....lol.....JK....Hope yas get ta rest some of these days with fresh cured nugs from the sweat off yer balls from goin above and beyond the call of duty.....Oh and yeah....

Fire bad.....Hell I thought about installin Halon systems at my locations from sheer paranoia of not bein there 24/7 , but then I realized I had insurance and the thoughts passed since the dwellings were unoccupied....anyways....

Peace....DHF........

 

[McKush]

Hi DHF -

Halon is scary shit tho man. I worked around it alot because of the types of places I worked while in the service in the 80's. You knew if it fired you had precious little time to get out of the room or you were fucked. Lots 'o ways to have a bad day whilst serving one's nation...

Anyway, I'm thinking about using a bottled fire bottle tied to 2 or 3 heat activated (non electric) sprinkler heads. just to be safe, it shouldn't cost that much more and will go a long way in the peace 'o mind department.

I'm working on plumbing the sump now so I can get the last pieces of flooring in. then frame the walls from the floor to the 2x10 perimiters.

Need to research insulation a bit more. the gnome used a different type (EPS i think) of foam. Mine is the lower rated styrofoam. I'll use it if I can't locate a reasonably priced better alternative. I'm already using two layers of reflectix and will solid foam insulate the space and seal up as much airspace behind the walls as possible. I'm hoping for maybe R-40 or so with the styrofoam and reflectix and air gaps - but with a better material maybe better????