How did Skunk the strain get its name?

[Sam_Skunkman]

Skunk #1 was developed in the mid 70's at that time they were all skunky. It was reproduced by seed no clones back then.
I selected/reproduced for about ten years keeping the strongest, sweetest ones with the highest leaf to flower ratio and the highest rate of branching on branches, kept just those seeds and used them to select males aand females for the next years pollenations. I never out-crossed. By the time I took it to Amsterdam in 1985, it was mostly sweet, and with selected sweetest clones from 20,000 plants, to make the seeds from then on it stayed that way. It was very common in California and most US states as a skunky variety.
Enough talk about RKS, few or maybe even no one cared enough to kept any clones or seeds of RKS, besides me, so why should I care now? Do you understand I have other work that interests me today?
RKS is not anymore true Skunk #1 then my present sweeter Skunk#1 is, wise up. The taste and highs are different. I created Skunk #1, I decide what is what with my strains, period. I like a sweet Skunk #1 way better then the RKS ones, much better taste and high.

Cultivators Choice was started in Amsterdam, not California. Sacred Seeds is older not CC.

You just want what you can't have. Pretty typical RKS devotee.

BTW, A picture won't mean anything the two Skunk #1 look the exactly same. They smell different, end of story.
Never again this story, ten times is enough,

-SamS

Hello Sam,

Thanks for stopping by, but while you are here could you answer my questions if you have a minute?

When did it disappear? And how common was it? Was it a clone only or was roadkill skunk pheno quite abundant in a pack of seed?

I have read many stories over the years but want to know some truth. I looked at the old sssc catalog and it says Sk#1 was sweet so I wonder when exactly was it skunky?

So you still have a roadkill skunk clone? if so could you show some pics?

Why do you have no interest in a true skunk these days? besides being wealthy.

Sorry for all the questions. I just like to know strain history.

Thanks.

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Sam I appreciate the answers, truly.

I wasn't trying to be a douche, I just love weed history and like to know the story behind things.

Have a nice new year

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

No problem, but that is what they all say...
Like I said, I have posted this info a dozen times before, ask anyone whom have been around long enough.
-SamS

Sam I appreciate the answers, truly.

I wasn't trying to be a douche, I just love weed history and like to know the story behind things.

Have a nice new year

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Oh yeah, I know. I think I have read it before myself now that I see it, I just didn't feel like sifting thru those mega threads.

 

[Tropical Rain]

Ihave to laugh at posts like this.

Just yesterday I had a friend over for NY- he is a broker on Vancouver Island - I had given him a selection of jars for xmas a couple of weeks ago and he was going on about how he and his boys had been smoking through the jars and couldn't believe how one of the jars reminded them all of the early 90's and the pungent skunk smell and the lbs and lbs they used to flip in the day......


The skunk is definitely not extinct.... far from it.

The chems share a few terps... if you have access to a lab that does terpene analysis you can see just how the chem family differs from most other things... but the chems don't compare to the true skunk/pinene terp profile...

-Chimera

Chimera I will bite.
Because you aren't like some people I have seen pop up and say "oh I have that in storage and I could easily bring about blah blah blah blah, etc,etc,etc" in EVERY road kill skunk thread that pops up.

That is grand to hear they (being true skunks) in fact aren't extinct.
I haven't ran across anyone with a real skunk (meaning not sweet, skunks smell sweet?) since '97.

That is a long time. Maybe I do not get out much anymore? Frankly that stuff used to be in heavy rotation.

I know the demand is there. Not just from a seed buyers point of view. End consumers. Maybe the quality of the high isn't comparable to genetics of today. Yet and still people (non growers) always ask about this stuff.

I did mention maybe it is out there but probably held by someone not involved in the online canna world. So infact I contradicted myself saying it was perhaps extinct from the start. Or maybe I left bait for someone else with credibility to say it is still being grown.

I'm glad I could provide you a chuckle.

The fact of the matter is there has been plenty of threads with people searching out for real RKS. Nobody has offered up anything other then stories.

HidingInTheHaze just did some testers of a "rks" which had garlic undertones. Hence me bringing up the Chem lines from a previous post I made in that particular thread. (That is from which this thread was birthed from.)

It would be easy for a breeder to cross chem with an afghan/NL type plant and attempt to trick a person who hasn't had nor seen a "rks" to believe they might be able to achieve such smells out of that seedline... (do you follow what I'm getting at?)

I'm not going to get into any pissing matches with anyone on the internet.

A thread like this is made. The usual suspects show up, The same ole tired song is repeated and nothing is gained. Just old war stories.

Like I said I haven't smelled any weed as stinky as a dead skunk on the pavement since '97. I don't know of anyone else that has either.

I know you are far past simple pollen chucking so usually I pull up a seat and read what you post. Hopefully to learn something new.

If you posted before in the other RKS thread forgive me for overlooking the posts.

With respect Chimera.


TR

 

[Tropical Rain]

Exactly.

The garlic is what made me think the chem family.
The sweeter notes brought chem sis to mind.

I agree with what you said about RKS not being a skunk as well.

Round the time of it's emergence people were being forced inside from the outside and switching from long sativas to shorter style indicas.

I believe some heavy afghan work is where that smell orginated from.

Thank you for being honest. Glad you got a few pheno's you felt worthwhile to keep.



TR

That being what I said in the original post. I could be totally off my rocker, so be it.

Sam has repeatedly said for years now he bred away from the rks and towards the sweet side. (what year would this be?)

Clone only then? Because it isn't just easily found in any beans of today.

I could see something like this being held in the PNW. Still it isn't online. Not available.
It isn't being sold (in large amounts) regardless of whom asks for it. Too many newer flavor of the months I suppose.

Anyways the hype would die as far as the internet world no sooner then it was available to all.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

No harm no foul.



TR

 

[bigbag]

here's an affordable line that's always caught my eye, as description is spot on...
Skunk Indica


Indica/sativa.


Usually grows one large, main cola. Lots of resin, with a pungent skunk aroma. Very potent and gives that deep, powerful high. High caylxe to leaf ratio, so easy to trim.



Height 2 to 2.5 feet Flowering time 6 to 8 weeks in. 8 to 9 out.


10 seeds

Price: $40.00

Manufacturer: Wild Rose Seeds

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Chimera I will bite.
Because you aren't like some people I have seen pop up and say "oh I have that in storage and I could easily bring about blah blah blah blah, etc,etc,etc" in EVERY road kill skunk thread that pops up.

ARE YOU REFERRING TO ME?
-SAMS

That is grand to hear they (being true skunks) in fact aren't extinct.
I haven't ran across anyone with a real skunk (meaning not sweet, skunks smell sweet?) since '97.

SO A REAL SKUNK #1 IS EXTINCT? BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T RUN ACROSS ONE SINCE '97? FIRST OF ALL BOTH SWEET AND SKUNKY SKUNK'S ARE REAL SKUNK #1, WISE UP.

That is a long time. Maybe I do not get out much anymore? Frankly that stuff used to be in heavy rotation.

I know the demand is there. Not just from a seed buyers point of view. End consumers. Maybe the quality of the high isn't comparable to genetics of today. Yet and still people (non growers) always ask about this stuff.

DOES THIS MEAN I HAVE TO SPEND THE TIME TO REMAKE SOMETHING I DO NOT LIKE? DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH...
I HAVE LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF HYBRIDS I MADE AND DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO GROW AND EVALUATE.

I did mention maybe it is out there but probably held by someone not involved in the online canna world. So infact I contradicted myself saying it was perhaps extinct from the start. Or maybe I left bait for someone else with credibility to say it is still being grown.

I'm glad I could provide you a chuckle.

YOU DID.

The fact of the matter is there has been plenty of threads with people searching out for real RKS. Nobody has offered up anything other then stories.

HidingInTheHaze just did some testers of a "rks" which had garlic undertones. Hence me bringing up the Chem lines from a previous post I made in that particular thread. (That is from which this thread was birthed from.)

It would be easy for a breeder to cross chem with an afghan/NL type plant and attempt to trick a person who hasn't had nor seen a "rks" to believe they might be able to achieve such smells out of that seedline... (do you follow what I'm getting at?)

I'm not going to get into any pissing matches with anyone on the internet.

A thread like this is made. The usual suspects show up, The same ole tired song is repeated and nothing is gained. Just old war stories.

I AGREE THE SAME OLD SONG BY DEVOTEES ABOUT FINDING RKS IS REPEATED AND NOTHING GAINED.

-SamS

Like I said I haven't smelled any weed as stinky as a dead skunk on the pavement since '97. I don't know of anyone else that has either.

I know you are far past simple pollen chucking so usually I pull up a seat and read what you post. Hopefully to learn something new.

If you posted before in the other RKS thread forgive me for overlooking the posts.

With respect Chimera.



TR

The reason Chimera knows is I told him on one of his visits to see me.
-SamS

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

That being what I said in the original post. I could be totally off my rocker, so be it.

Sam has repeatedly said for years now he bred away from the rks and towards the sweet side. (what year would this be?)

ARE YOU TO LAZY TO READ MY POST ABOVE #21???

Clone only then? Because it isn't just easily found in any beans of today.

UNLESS THE BEANS ARE HELD BY THE ORIGINAL BREEDER.

I could see something like this being held in the PNW. Still it isn't online. Not available.
It isn't being sold (in large amounts) regardless of whom asks for it. Too many newer flavor of the months I suppose.

Anyways the hype would die as far as the internet world no sooner then it was available to all.

SO AM I SUPPOSTA DO THIS JUST BECAUSE YOU WANT ME TO?
WHAT A DREAMER...

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

YOU ARE WRONG.

No harm no foul.

THE ONLY HARM IS YOU IMPLYING I DO NOT HAVE MAYBE 25 SKUNK #1 CLONES OVER 20 YEARS OLD AND SEEDS FROM EVEN LONGER AGO, I DO, AND SOME ARE SKUNKY. THE REAL OLD SEEDS FROZEN AWAY FOR 30 YEARS ARE ALL SKUNKY, LIKE THE SKUNK #2 SEEDS.
YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW MANY SEEDS AND CLONES I HAVE MAINTAINED THAT IS FOR SURE, BUT OTHERS DO AND HAVE SEEN THEM.
NOT KILOS, BUT TONS OF SEEDS..
I EVEN HAVE 20 YEAR OLD POLLEN, FROZEN AT -30c, AND YES IT IS STILL VIABLE, I USED SOME RECENTLY TO MAKE SEEDS, I STILL HAVE MAYBE 100 KINDS OF POLLEN, OVER 10 KG OF FROZEN POLLEN. O HAZE, SKUNK #1 & #2 AS WELL AS A WHOLE LOT MORE.



TR

-SAMS

 

[bigbag]

Sk#2 was the "red hair" line, no ? was told I have a Skunk#3 hybrid, but so far pheno's have been all grape candy

 

[ElRubio]

The chems share a few terps... if you have access to a lab that does terpene analysis you can see just how the chem family differs from most other things... but the chems don't compare to the true skunk/pinene terp profile...

-Chimera

Interesting Chimera.

Thanks a lot for the input and thanks also Sam_S for the first hand info.

I´d love to know however if Mr. Sam_S agreed with that statement bout the chem line and the skunk...

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

Sam, sounds like you've got quite the collection for a rainy day, maybe some of it wants to come out and play?

No better time than the present

 

[Tropical Rain]

Sam I wrote a really "nice" response to you but I'm not even going to bite man.

You of all people could be a big service in helping those find what they are looking for even without recreating some beans which obviously you've no time for. You could point people in the right direction maybe tell them to do some work with some particular beans that are available to maybe happen upon the type of smells they are eager to find.

Instead your responses / attitude is/are all of the same every time this get's brought up.

Thanks for all of your contributions and help most of all.

I didn't ask you to do anything for the record nor will I.
I don't care that much.
There is plenty of smelly weed with better more complex highs than skunk.

Again what you aren't getting is this thread is a continuation from a different thread. HITH just ran testers for a breeder offering a few roadkillskunk variations and didn't find what he was looking for.

My only interest was I have these very same testers and surely didn't wish to waste my time and space looking for something which isn't there. Hence why I am even in this thread in the first place.

I steered clear of the last few threads on this topic.

Why haven't you popped up in any of that breeders threads about roadkillskunk? Your posts would be more useful over there sir at least to those running the tests.
Maybe you avoided those particular roadkillskunk threads because you din't want to argue with another 'breeder' or cause conflict?

We are but the end users.

Am I wrong to say it is extinct if it is not available with access for those whom are looking? Maybe saying extinct was a bit much but if you were sitting on the other side of the table wouldn't that word serve purpose to make a point?

I get the fact that you have it in the freezer. I didn't miss that the first time you said it.

I would only attempt some feeble/basic (dj short inspired) breeding with a rks anyways.

HITH, Goodluck bro.

Really I do not wish to argue with anyone. Nor do I like when people try to make me look like a fool just for laughs or feeling of superiority.

Truly I do like to learn and increase my knowledge base. So I will look the fool many times over if it gains me this wealth each time.

good day

TR

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

"Because you aren't like some people I have seen pop up and say "oh I have that in storage and I could easily bring about blah blah blah blah, etc,etc,etc" in EVERY road kill skunk thread that pops up."

"blah blah blah blah nobody has nothing.

This specimen is extinct ... long gone.

If this was truly available trust me somebody somewhere would be making a killing with it.
Be it clones seeds or just good weed for sale.

Shit is long gone, After all of these years with this topic on canna forums nobody has emerged with anything close. (aside from the chem lines).

Safe to say anybody saying they have this (ONLINE) is blowing so much fuckin smoke.."

"Am I wrong to say it is extinct if it is not available with access for those whom are looking? Maybe saying extinct was a bit much but if you were sitting on the other side of the table wouldn't that word serve purpose to make a point?"

"Sam I wrote a really "nice" response to you but I'm not even going to bite man."

This is why I was so hard on you Tropical Rain, I did not like your implying RKS was dead and extinct or slagging me because I do not want to do what you want me to do. Can you understand? Yes you are wrong to say it is extinct, and yes it was a bit much because it is not true. Just because you can't find any means nothing. As for "your really nice response" was that after your snide comments? This has been going on for more then a decade, just the players change....
I hope all that are looking for RKS Skunk find what they are looking for, but please do not expect me to solve your problem. It really is not my problem.
BTW, I did have several contacts with MedMan, who I presumed the testers that HTIH ran came from, I had zero problems with him, he seems like a nice guy. But he did not try and imply anything about me or Skunk #1.
-SamS

 

[Tropical Rain]

But Sam it almost seems as if you think those who ask about roadkillskunk are really asking for the skunk strain (skunk#1) and aren't actually just referring to a smell that many a plants may have.

I understand your point.

I never asked you Sam the skunkman to do anything with any particular strain.

You are right I made a snide comment because of things like this: "but please do not expect me to solve your problem. It really is not my problem." Which runs rampant in the other thread.

I haven't asked you, Nor has anyone made a thread calling on you to make said strain.

I find it pretty hard. Actually Impossible to think the original skunk #1 lines are the only line's that held those terpene's.

So many people used your work with little credit paid due over many years, I'm certain someone somewhere bred with it.

Again when I say things such as I have said it is simply to convey a point. You yourself have it, You have no interest in working with or releasing it. Maybe others have it as well? Yet the end result is the same. Do you understand my point?

I never said skunk #1 was extinct. I was trying to make a point about terpene's so desired yet long unavailable. (to most)

Please understand that when people say road kill skunk they aren't thinking of your strain skunk. They are referencing the terpene's. Maybe skunk #1 originated these terpene's but if you bred it out by '85 and I lasted smelled it '97-'98 and we've never met. Someone somewhere was moving a ton of this stuff at one point almost 10-12 years later. It is possible that they held a stray cut of your original works over the years? Or perhaps as I've said it was bred into a different line entirely.

Northern lights was going around heavy at the time that I last seen what smelled like a dead skunk. The weed had predominantly indica features. I grew out skunk#1 it resembled nothing of the weed we had that had that nasty strong smell.

If you would have said try searching through some of my skunk x haze for example to ATTEMPT to perhaps find some similar like terpene's that would have been more helpful then anything else.

You don't owe anyone anything nor has anyone asked of you anymore then which you already gave Sam.

The only other option likely is to attempt to recreate your skunk #1 which is highly unlikely even if one had those same exact landraces to start with. I'd at least give it a try if I could although I do believe the outcome wouldn't bring us whom are in search of those terpene's any closer.

Some of us are willing to learn Sam. If I could bring those terpene's back to mass I would. Even if it took me to learn to breed true and not just hack.

With respect, SamS

TR

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Chimera

I`d like to see a mega release from you .
Test tube clones , strain DNA ID and ... RKS .lol .



Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Jhhnn]

"Because you aren't like some people I have seen pop up and say "oh I have that in storage and I could easily bring about blah blah blah blah, etc,etc,etc" in EVERY road kill skunk thread that pops up."

"blah blah blah blah nobody has nothing.

This specimen is extinct ... long gone.

If this was truly available trust me somebody somewhere would be making a killing with it.
Be it clones seeds or just good weed for sale.

Shit is long gone, After all of these years with this topic on canna forums nobody has emerged with anything close. (aside from the chem lines).

Safe to say anybody saying they have this (ONLINE) is blowing so much fuckin smoke.."

"Am I wrong to say it is extinct if it is not available with access for those whom are looking? Maybe saying extinct was a bit much but if you were sitting on the other side of the table wouldn't that word serve purpose to make a point?"

"Sam I wrote a really "nice" response to you but I'm not even going to bite man."

This is why I was so hard on you Tropical Rain, I did not like your implying RKS was dead and extinct or slagging me because I do not want to do what you want me to do. Can you understand? Yes you are wrong to say it is extinct, and yes it was a bit much because it is not true. Just because you can't find any means nothing. As for "your really nice response" was that after your snide comments? This has been going on for more then a decade, just the players change....
I hope all that are looking for RKS Skunk find what they are looking for, but please do not expect me to solve your problem. It really is not my problem.
BTW, I did have several contacts with MedMan, who I presumed the testers that HTIH ran came from, I had zero problems with him, he seems like a nice guy. But he did not try and imply anything about me or Skunk #1.
-SamS

Indeed, Sam. Yesterday's gone, isn't it? And it's just as well. Yeh, sure, I'd like to try some 1974 Colombian Primo again, just to see if it was as good as I remember, but that won't happen, either. Change is good, particularly when one gets to make their own choices. We've lived in utterly unique & ever changing times, and it's good that the toke has changed along with them. Seems to me that you just doing your thing has worked out well for the rest of us, so carry on, please.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I will make one more post on the subject of RKS, Tropical Rain you say:
"Sam it almost seems as if you think those who ask about roadkillskunk are really asking for the skunk strain (skunk#1) and aren't actually just referring to a smell that many a plants may have."
Well you are right other strains I have seen have smelled skunky, that said I sold huge numbers of Skunk #1 RKS seeds when I was the only Cannabis seed company in the world. I used to visit some of these folks way out in the countryside and I could smell the skunky smell half a mile away down wind, no difference if grown outdoors or if indoors under lights, they just stunk to high heaven just like an anise tinted dead skunk. Everyone and I mean everyone used to complain about the really strong skunk smell, they were trying to grow undercover and the crop gave itself away. Don't get me wrong people loved the herb but needed to be extra careful to avoid detection. When I sold seeds everyone who had grown them would mention the skunk smell, hundreds of times. And remember that Skunk #1 was the most distributed variety for a decade 75-85 and until long after 85 the folks out there still had lots of them to grow. They were cheap, .50 to a buck per seed.
I will try and stay out of the RKS threads, really the only reason was to correct some mis-conceptions about Skunk #1 or me. So I hope everyone out there finds what they want, I would be surprised if no one besides me has the RKS Skunk #1 seeds in a freezer, or clones, but as these threads have been going on for a decade now, maybe not. I understand that many people want RKS, it is not that hard to achieve, it may not be my Skunk #1 RKS but if it is just the smell you are after, just cross prospective Afghans times Columbian Gold and then take the F1 seeds and cross the best times an Acapulco Gold. Or just find a random clone from any seeds that has the smell you want. The smell was not my goal back then, I just wanted a Indica/Sativa hybrid or correctly a WLD/NLD hybrid that people liked. Apparently I did succeed at that. Good luck to all.
-SamS

 

[Mate Dave]

What is this WLD/NLD ??

 

[HidingInTheHaze]

I would be surprised if no one besides me has the RKS Skunk #1 seeds in a freezer, or clones, but as these threads have been going on for a decade now, maybe not. I understand that many people want RKS, it is not that hard to achieve, it may not be my Skunk #1 RKS but if it is just the smell you are after, just cross prospective Afghans times Columbian Gold and then take the F1 seeds and cross the best times an Acapulco Gold.

I've read thru just about every RKS thread available on the internet and the strongest leads I have found have been Bodhi, he claims to have an old RKS and Tom Hill had made mention his North Indian had skunk odor but no discussion of this strain in years. Other than those 2 no one out of the internet based growers seem to have anything.

I don't know why I am so fascinated by the roadkill skunk smell, but there is just something wonderful about driving past a dead skunk in the road, it's sick I know.

Really my goal for starting this thread was not to stir the pot, but generate some new conversation on an old topic.

Well anyways, thanks for you contributions, I love weed history