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wake 'n bake baby yeah.
John Hartford's album Nobody Knows What You Do".
Big John Hartford fan Mckush is. Will be near his 4th annual memorial festival in the midwest (Indiana if i remember correctly) next year in June so I will attend it.
Anyone going?
John Hartford's album Nobody Knows What You Do".
Big John Hartford fan Mckush is. Will be near his 4th annual memorial festival in the midwest (Indiana if i remember correctly) next year in June so I will attend it.
Anyone going?
Back at it tonight. Dire Straits for a while tonight with my medicine.
Picked up a good selection of shims and will get the floor joists in their final positions tonight. The type of concrete pillar that I'm using is very forgiving. I'll just shim a bit and then quadrupple check my floor slope. I want the slope of the floor such that water will always drain away from the two sides near the house toward my new sump.
Going to hopefully get this floor insulated and installed soon!
BTW - Mister_D and DHF - I listed 12" wind tunnels in the drawing. I intend to put whatever fans I used in the floor and sound proof them, isolate them. I can use 12" or 10" and whichever brand you two feel is better. I've read that the sunleaves wind tunnels can be encased in foam to make them very quiet. that is why they are listed. I'm not married to any mfr. tho.
Best All -
peace out
Picked up a good selection of shims and will get the floor joists in their final positions tonight. The type of concrete pillar that I'm using is very forgiving. I'll just shim a bit and then quadrupple check my floor slope. I want the slope of the floor such that water will always drain away from the two sides near the house toward my new sump.
Going to hopefully get this floor insulated and installed soon!
BTW - Mister_D and DHF - I listed 12" wind tunnels in the drawing. I intend to put whatever fans I used in the floor and sound proof them, isolate them. I can use 12" or 10" and whichever brand you two feel is better. I've read that the sunleaves wind tunnels can be encased in foam to make them very quiet. that is why they are listed. I'm not married to any mfr. tho.
Best All -
peace out
D
DHF
Hey Bro....I`m not familiar with any inline fans other than vortex , so maybe Mr D`ll chime in......but......
One`s that can be quietened and used with "variac" speed controllers will make yas happy from the ability to actually dial down the voltage rather than motor speed on the fans.....
Make sure the manifold`s openings into the bloom room are blowin sideways "under" the plants with wall fans circulating all air "around " the room above and below the plants but never on em to prevent excess transpiration......
Whichever fans have the best warranty and are easily matched with scrubbers are the best bet IME Kushy.....all in all.....plan looks solid....as long as yas know that scrubbers HAVETA be attached to inline fans to function properly....or....
Maybe I`ve lost my damn mind and I`m missin something in your drawing...I know the studio intake and exhaust weren`t drawn in , so maybe my old ass is just missin something.....anyways...
Get backta work and make shit happen old man....KIller job so far, so keep strokin......and.....
Peace....DHF.....
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Hi DHF - thanks for the feed back man. I didn't draw lines to the two carbon filter scrubbers which would be ceiling mounted and attached to a wye to join them to the 12" or 10" inline fan. I'm thinking the fan for FR exhaust will be under a panel in the floor of the studio and not mounted axially as shown in that last diagram. 12" fans are big. I don't want to take up more space in the FR than necessary.
Hot air will be sucked from CFs attached to ceiling and drawn down under the floor and expelled thru floor grate into studio.
Cold air is drawn from cold air return vent mounted 6 or 7 feet up.
Still have to draw in the intake and exhaust from to the studio after I get the FR ventilation figured out.
cheers
Hot air will be sucked from CFs attached to ceiling and drawn down under the floor and expelled thru floor grate into studio.
Cold air is drawn from cold air return vent mounted 6 or 7 feet up.
Still have to draw in the intake and exhaust from to the studio after I get the FR ventilation figured out.
cheers
good mornin' vietnam, back for a full day of construction! yipeee. Have not listened to anything yet this morning but was up at 5 surfing 'n designing ventilation and added more of my CD collection to my amazon cloud player. I am putting as much music as possible on the cloud. Hopefully over the next year or two I can get my complete collection of LPs, reel to reels, and cassettes done. Not looking forward to the LP and cassette portion of this show... But I also refuse to buy the same music again and again too.... I've had to do this for some of my fav LPs but enough is enough. This week I should complete my CD collection RIP and store (Phase I of moving my music to the interwebby.)
Anyhoo, lots to choose from while I medicinalize myself. Irish tunes galore but on the other hand feelin' some Cat man coming on. Ah, yes, Steve, Cat, Yusuf... Mr. Georgiou - you are one fucked up dude. But peace, I understand what it is like to search out loud but dont have the balls to do so in such a public way as you. So respect for that.
Many memories of blastin Cat back in the '70s, ear splitting volume and Cat's voice pouring it out. Man the days in the sun, baked and listing to Cat Stevens. good times.
Anyhoo, lots to choose from while I medicinalize myself. Irish tunes galore but on the other hand feelin' some Cat man coming on. Ah, yes, Steve, Cat, Yusuf... Mr. Georgiou - you are one fucked up dude. But peace, I understand what it is like to search out loud but dont have the balls to do so in such a public way as you. So respect for that.
Many memories of blastin Cat back in the '70s, ear splitting volume and Cat's voice pouring it out. Man the days in the sun, baked and listing to Cat Stevens. good times.
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Happy New Year All!!! Sincerely hope nothing but peace and prosperity to the ICMAG community in 2014! Have fun, remember tempus fugit, tempus fucking fugit! 
It is January 1, 2014 and I officially blew my go-live date today!!!!! Well, it became obvious to the spousal unit and myself that the pace necessary to hit my goal of 1/1/14 switch on was not feasible. I'm unwilling to compromise on the build and there is no way to do this right other than by taking my time - if you know what I mean. Fups here will gnaw at me for the next umpteen years. Don't need that "Doh" feeling living in me 'caus I rushed it. So I rebaselined my project plan and am going to try to empasize build quality and functionality over an arbitrarily drawn date.
Soo..... going to keep working the floor today. I'm framing in the new sump. Rolling it over in my head how I want the tile to work and where to put one or more floor drains. I'm going to use 2" line from a 1 1/2 fitting. My .3 hp sump pump (heavy duty iron one) has 1 1/2 discharge but I have tons of 2". I will run the 2" up and thru a check valve and rubber union then sweep it up to the bottom of the floor joists and let it drain to the exterior where it will join up with a 4" PVC drain line. I should never have to worry about water in the pit. I'm going to make a polycarbonate sump drain cover to keep the moitsure contained in the sump basin. I did this for my househould sump when the iron cover rusted out. It worked great, stuff I use is over .5 inches thick so you can stand on it.
It is January 1, 2014 and I officially blew my go-live date today!!!!! Well, it became obvious to the spousal unit and myself that the pace necessary to hit my goal of 1/1/14 switch on was not feasible. I'm unwilling to compromise on the build and there is no way to do this right other than by taking my time - if you know what I mean. Fups here will gnaw at me for the next umpteen years. Don't need that "Doh" feeling living in me 'caus I rushed it. So I rebaselined my project plan and am going to try to empasize build quality and functionality over an arbitrarily drawn date.
Soo..... going to keep working the floor today. I'm framing in the new sump. Rolling it over in my head how I want the tile to work and where to put one or more floor drains. I'm going to use 2" line from a 1 1/2 fitting. My .3 hp sump pump (heavy duty iron one) has 1 1/2 discharge but I have tons of 2". I will run the 2" up and thru a check valve and rubber union then sweep it up to the bottom of the floor joists and let it drain to the exterior where it will join up with a 4" PVC drain line. I should never have to worry about water in the pit. I'm going to make a polycarbonate sump drain cover to keep the moitsure contained in the sump basin. I did this for my househould sump when the iron cover rusted out. It worked great, stuff I use is over .5 inches thick so you can stand on it.
First man out the shoot in 2014 on the speaker in the "bunker".......
ah Mr. John Hartford! You are the one. John Hartford playlist will keep me singing, laughing, and tapping for the next several hours
lol, you have to listen to hear.
Peace in 2014 everyone.
ah Mr. John Hartford! You are the one. John Hartford playlist will keep me singing, laughing, and tapping for the next several hours
lol, you have to listen to hear.
Peace in 2014 everyone.
Interesting dig we have going on here...
Spent more time and hopefully some of the last time today digging out for ducting runs and walls.
Time to finish insulating the floor and then put down the thermal barrier, rubber strips, then 2 courses of 3/4 ply (to start) separated by a layer of GG.
Cant wait to have some semblance of a floor. Man i'm fucking tired of dirt and stones.
Time to finish insulating the floor and then put down the thermal barrier, rubber strips, then 2 courses of 3/4 ply (to start) separated by a layer of GG.
Cant wait to have some semblance of a floor. Man i'm fucking tired of dirt and stones.
why thank you, it is indeedy. I can't say that I'm any better for it either. Once my project is complete and running like I want it then maybe it will feel worth while. Right now I'm just fighting thru the pain and using medicine and tylenol to manage. too old for this shit. I think I'll be satisfied with the results though and that is what is motivating me to get this done.
Very nearly done digging tho... I excavated more today and enlarged my new crawl space. This will allow me to put ducting and fans in the crawl. a couple of access doors via the floor of the lung room and I will be able to handle future services and updates.
A good buddy of mine dug nearly 4ft down into Riverside, CA hardpack to make more vertical space for various things/bigger plants so that his "shed" would still be a normal looking height from the street... All it did for him was a slipped disk in his back and unrelenting humidity issues from the "open to the earth" underside of things.
It seems to work great for him! just had more unexpected things pop up then he was planning for... oh, and cortisone shots for the inflammation! K+
It seems to work great for him! just had more unexpected things pop up then he was planning for... oh, and cortisone shots for the inflammation!
K+
sorry to hear about your buddy's misfortune. some smart dude on here said something somewhere about fortune smiling on the prepared.... hehe
Did he not know about Firestone rubber liner? I'm using super thick barrier by using left over pond liner I've stored for years. What I did not turn into rubber strips is going over the earth . and then I have a real crawl space also. This may as well be my house... well er... it kinda is. its certainly an extension of me now... hehe
I hear you about the humidity issue but this is no different than homebuilding. I"m not in the trade but I've always done my own thang... my bro built log homes for years, tough fucker he is. lifting those logs in the dead of winter, swinging fucking iron with his ass hanging out over a fucking bad time to get the job done. yeah man, fucking a. thats why I went back to school after military service..... my bro has taught me a lot. much of it what not to do. but hey, knowledge is knowledge. i digress.
I'll post more pics when I get caught up and you'll see what I've got going on. gonna be sweet. Been at it design wise in my head for days turining it over and over and it feels like it is falling into place now... I'll take some pics of my design and see what you think.
Did he not know about Firestone rubber liner? I'm using super thick barrier by using left over pond liner I've stored for years. What I did not turn into rubber strips is going over the earth . and then I have a real crawl space also. This may as well be my house... well er... it kinda is. its certainly an extension of me now... hehe
I hear you about the humidity issue but this is no different than homebuilding. I"m not in the trade but I've always done my own thang... my bro built log homes for years, tough fucker he is. lifting those logs in the dead of winter, swinging fucking iron with his ass hanging out over a fucking bad time to get the job done. yeah man, fucking a. thats why I went back to school after military service..... my bro has taught me a lot. much of it what not to do. but hey, knowledge is knowledge. i digress.
I'll post more pics when I get caught up and you'll see what I've got going on. gonna be sweet. Been at it design wise in my head for days turining it over and over and it feels like it is falling into place now... I'll take some pics of my design and see what you think.
Thanks goes out to D and DHF of D and DHF fame!
solid feedback from those two dudes has really helped me nail down my design.
based on some discussion with D, I'm going to research closed environment designs. However I think my lung and FR/VR approach should work well for my needs. I'm stepping up both the lighting and the floorspace for FR to 5x9. Two ePaps will go up to 2300W. so at 2300W by 45 yields 51W sq. ft. if I go max. otherwise I'll be able to dial in what ever Watt per sq. ft up to 51 without any additional or supplemental lighting.
So the FR will have a 5x6x10' section and a 3x5x7'9" section. Two ePaps will be mounted overhead and set apart to maximize spread and distribuition. Both will be adjustable but my concept is to go from 7'9" ledge area, then down to the 10' main FR section, aka the "pit".
Ah so what about the veggie area??? I can stick a closet on the ledge if I want to. However I think I'm going to put the veggie area under the ledge instead of a water and supply holding area, it will now house my veggie and mother/clone closet. Its not very big but I think for my needs it will work well.
So now I should have VR in a closet under the ledge (30" height in 4 14.5x16 cubbies, and a kick as FR rockin two epaps or an epap and something else TBD. Dong have to do 2 epaps but I'm tempted.
peace
solid feedback from those two dudes has really helped me nail down my design.
based on some discussion with D, I'm going to research closed environment designs. However I think my lung and FR/VR approach should work well for my needs. I'm stepping up both the lighting and the floorspace for FR to 5x9. Two ePaps will go up to 2300W. so at 2300W by 45 yields 51W sq. ft. if I go max. otherwise I'll be able to dial in what ever Watt per sq. ft up to 51 without any additional or supplemental lighting.
So the FR will have a 5x6x10' section and a 3x5x7'9" section. Two ePaps will be mounted overhead and set apart to maximize spread and distribuition. Both will be adjustable but my concept is to go from 7'9" ledge area, then down to the 10' main FR section, aka the "pit".
Ah so what about the veggie area??? I can stick a closet on the ledge if I want to. However I think I'm going to put the veggie area under the ledge instead of a water and supply holding area, it will now house my veggie and mother/clone closet. Its not very big but I think for my needs it will work well.
So now I should have VR in a closet under the ledge (30" height in 4 14.5x16 cubbies, and a kick as FR rockin two epaps or an epap and something else TBD. Dong have to do 2 epaps but I'm tempted.
peace
Ventilation plan :
Going to use 2 12" fans (make TBD) for intake / exhaust of FR into lung room. This will be done thru primarily rigid DIY ducting. Will be making some sizable plenums that will house the fams in the crawl space. Going to slightliy oversize the ducting from the plenums to the lung room. Will have 1 to 2 CFs in the FR, those will wye into the exhaust fan & ducting from the ceiling of the FR to a floor register in the lung room. The register will be 12x12" minimum and soundproofed & insulated. Another custom duct will be cold air return of lung room into intake of FR. (again active intake with 12" fan on dimmer or variac).
then for the intake / exhaust of the lung room I'm going to plumb high/low 8" lines. The intake will draw thru a 8" hepa pre-filter to trap pollen 'n stuff. I'll be putting fans of some size into each of the lung room intake/exhausts.
Will hopefully be able to keep the noise down by encasing the fans in foam. I have a 4" and a 6" windtunnel by sunleaves that I can temporarily use until it gets hot.
So now it is just buiding time... much better than digging.
peace
Going to use 2 12" fans (make TBD) for intake / exhaust of FR into lung room. This will be done thru primarily rigid DIY ducting. Will be making some sizable plenums that will house the fams in the crawl space. Going to slightliy oversize the ducting from the plenums to the lung room. Will have 1 to 2 CFs in the FR, those will wye into the exhaust fan & ducting from the ceiling of the FR to a floor register in the lung room. The register will be 12x12" minimum and soundproofed & insulated. Another custom duct will be cold air return of lung room into intake of FR. (again active intake with 12" fan on dimmer or variac).
then for the intake / exhaust of the lung room I'm going to plumb high/low 8" lines. The intake will draw thru a 8" hepa pre-filter to trap pollen 'n stuff. I'll be putting fans of some size into each of the lung room intake/exhausts.
Will hopefully be able to keep the noise down by encasing the fans in foam. I have a 4" and a 6" windtunnel by sunleaves that I can temporarily use until it gets hot.
So now it is just buiding time... much better than digging.
peace
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Trouble
Oh trouble set me free
I have seen your face
And it's too much too much for me
Trouble
Oh trouble can't you see
You're eating my heart away
And there's nothing much left of me
I've drunk your wine
You have made your world mine
So won't you be fair
So won't you be fair
I don't want no more of you
So won't you be kind to me
Just let me go where
I'll have to go there
Trouble
Oh trouble move away
I have seen your face
and it's too much for me today
Trouble
Oh trouble can't you see
You have made me a wreck
Now won't you leave me in my misery
I've seen your eyes
and I can see death's disguise
Hangin' on me
Hangin' on me
I'm beat, I'm torn
Shattered and tossed and worn
Too shocking to see
Too shocking to see
Trouble
Oh trouble move from me
I have paid my debt
Now won't you leave me in my misery
Trouble
Oh trouble please be kind
I don't want no fight
And I haven't got a lot of time
Oh trouble set me free
I have seen your face
And it's too much too much for me
Trouble
Oh trouble can't you see
You're eating my heart away
And there's nothing much left of me
I've drunk your wine
You have made your world mine
So won't you be fair
So won't you be fair
I don't want no more of you
So won't you be kind to me
Just let me go where
I'll have to go there
Trouble
Oh trouble move away
I have seen your face
and it's too much for me today
Trouble
Oh trouble can't you see
You have made me a wreck
Now won't you leave me in my misery
I've seen your eyes
and I can see death's disguise
Hangin' on me
Hangin' on me
I'm beat, I'm torn
Shattered and tossed and worn
Too shocking to see
Too shocking to see
Trouble
Oh trouble move from me
I have paid my debt
Now won't you leave me in my misery
Trouble
Oh trouble please be kind
I don't want no fight
And I haven't got a lot of time
Ok, after some much appreciated feedback from some of our senior colleagues... thanks btw. I've decided to put in a mini-split into the FR outside facing wall. I will run sealed then. I'm still planning on putting in 12" fans & ducting into the studio room. The climate will be controlled from the wall unit in the FR however. Much, much better design now. Thank you D for all your help, you too DHF. Bless your sweet bippies.
That settled I'm back to working on the floor of the FR. Have the sump located and 5" of rigid insulation down, one more course to go. My floor slants to accomodate a single drain so part of floor will have 4" of insulation and part will have about 5"
That settled I'm back to working on the floor of the FR. Have the sump located and 5" of rigid insulation down, one more course to go. My floor slants to accomodate a single drain so part of floor will have 4" of insulation and part will have about 5"
