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[pappy masonjar]

Well according to the study I reffered to, when it comes drug type cannabis, they are ALL INDICAS. technically.

What used to be seperated into Sativa and Indica, technically should now be reffered to as narrow leaved, or wide leaved indicas. Or a hybrid of the two. Which sifte am cannasoire both correctly pointed out are the vast majority of todays strains. Hybrids.

Any actual Sativas are not drug type cannabis. Although I have heard of some strain called Old Toby that the guy claims is actually a Sativa and tests at 22%. Which the creator of the strain claims is a world record for a Sativa. Btw, the strain looks like what we refer to as indica, from the pics ive seen.

I understand how confusing all this sounds, and im not trying to suggest we stop the current system we have. But now that Cannabis is becoming more legit, and more studies can be done, it is important we do evetually get it right. It looks like Sam and hes colleagues already are.

 

[bioguy]

Cannabis: Evolution and Ethnobotany: By Robert Clarke, Mark Merlin is an excellent review of work conducted by many researchers. It explains the situation in far more depth than most of us care for.

Long story short. A million years history in a paragraph:
- The initial ancestors are from Northern Asia (PA Putative Ancestor)
- The population diverged into 2 lines PHA & PDA (Putative Drug/Hemp Ancestor)
- PA is almost certainly extinct (evolved into PDA PHA) and may have been Cannabis R.
- The PHA went on to become hemp aka Sativa
- The PDA went on to become drug varieties aka Indica
- The drug varieties emerged in China, north of Yunnan and east of the Himalayas.
These would become the NLD Indica (Named after India where they were found)
- The NLD spread west to India
- The NLD that went all the way to Afghanistan became BLD (Broad leaf drug aka C Indica Afghanica) maybe with the help of hemp but probably with the help of man's desire for hash
- The PDA line also had a separate hemp line emerge (evidence good herb can devolve)
- When the NLD strain tried to spread south, the spread was stalled because temperate plants don't care for the tropical photo period. They made it eventually but it caused a restricted gene pool....The SE Asian strains.
- NLD from all over are responsible for South and East African and all American landraces.

It seems to me if the Afghan Strains deserve the Afghanicathen the SE Asian deserve recognition as well. Both are distinct lines caused by restricted pools derived from NLD.

 

[Raco]

Thx Sam for spreading the good info

And also thx for the inputs folks

Left: Kush type

Right: Malawi x Thai F1 hybrid started late in the season.
Both from seed

 

[Garhart]

It is threads like this, which make this site one of my favorite places to spend time. Thank you to all who contributed.

 

[Hillbillie]

I never can tell if one gets me higher than another I just get high and like it ..

 

[bioguy]

@Garhart Thanks for the kind words.

@ Hillbillie Me neither! I got to Central America often and always dread smoking brown brick swag but when I have to it works.

I've got 6 strains in my stash and have no idea about the subtleties of their stone like many of my friends do. I just know they all do the trick for me. I'm always surprised which one runs dry first. I've got a power skunk cut that I just learned induces wicked paranoia from a few of my real medical friends. None of my heady friends ever noticed. I think I/we smoke to much...if thats possible.

 

[bioguy]

How many of you have an amazing cut but have no idea of its heritage?

I love Subcool's quote: "One thing I believe is that the best Cannabis in the world is still in North America, in some unknown garden and belongs to someone without internet access."

If this is true I also suspect they don't know where its parents came from and call it "pot" "green bud" "outdoor" not SSSDH X NL5/G13 (or whatever)

I know an old timer that would not know SSH from Norther Lights...thinks the AK in AK-47 means Alaskan Thunderfuck...gave me my misnamed cuts etc..but I have never met anyone who consistently has over the top fire. EVER anywhere!

 

[bioguy]

I just finished growing ndnguy's '88 G13/HP

Is this something that is available to the masses anywhere?
If not, is their something based on this line?

 

[Mel Frank]

I have one pheno from bagseed that I have been growing for years. I have come to the conclusion that it is very similar to, if not a Cheese strain from all the descriptions and pictures I have seen. Very strong and stinky and great yields. Just shows me how wide spread modern crosses have become and can be in anyone's backyard.

 

[Cannavore]

Is this something that is available to the masses anywhere?
If not, is their something based on this line?

Motarebel works with it. As does bodhi, and hazeman.

Mota crossed it to Lemon Thai, Bubba Kush, SFV OG x Jacks Cleaner, and others I can't recall.

 

[symbiote420]

Is this something that is available to the masses anywhere?
If not, is their something based on this line?

Not really! Mota and B have done great work with it as Cannivore mentioned .....Hazeman got greedy and didn't honor big bro's wishes of giftng the seeds away in pure form, he had his blessings to make and sell as many hybrids as he wanted to but outta greed he started selling it ...you can go that route if you want, just know it's bad karma on those beans!! I've tried B's Dank Sinatra, TEr, and ClusterFunk and Mota's Redneck Koosh and Redneck G13 x Herijuana, all are potent indy dom crosses!

I got a couple Ghash hybrids in the works atm myself, I'll be doing an open pollination between the two males & females I kept to help spread the love around a bit!

 

[AlterEgo860]

weird. I was always under the impression . that EVERYTHING WAS A VARIATION OF SATIVA.. as in why they call it Cannabis SATIVA.... but maybe im wrong. I could of sworn the leaf variation isn't going to tell u if its truly a sativa or indica.. I have grown some OLD SCHOOL HAZE and some Original Haze .. and some of the phenos looked to have more indica leaning phenos. but it was weird kuz the high was SUPER UPIDITY

 

[pappy masonjar]

Thats what most of us always thought. That it was all sativa. I believe that it was Cannabis Sativa (sativas), and Cannabis Sativa sub. Indica(Indicas).
But we thought that because of Lamark's (sp?) 19th century classification. Or should I say misclassification.

Check out more on this study done by Prof. Karl Hillig. Its legit. Its know universally recognized as correct by those in the know.
I think this is why Sam prolly refered to durban as now "correctly being known as an NLD Indica".
I wish he would varify if I am right in thinking this though.

Anybody know anything about this strain Old Toby, outta Washington state??
The guy who bred it claims it has the higest THC % of any "Sativa". At 22%.
Im not sure which way he means Sativa though.
The plant looks straight what we all know as Indica (old definition) from the pics ive seen of his. Broad leafed, short and stocky. Purple.
Which makes me think he is using the "New" "correct" definition of Sativa. But he could just be a nut job, and doesnt know what hes talking about.
Sorry if this is confusing. Its not my fault Cannabis was apparently misclassifed.

 

[bioguy]

weird. I was always under the impression . that EVERYTHING WAS A VARIATION OF SATIVA..

This is also correct in a way. Its just semantics but the original plant (PA) became Indica and Sativa. Sativa became hemp but it is also the more diverse lineage (evidence its the main line..if you will). So one could say that Sativa gave rise to Hemp, Indica and Afghanica and SE Asian strains (everything) but we would have to redefine what Sativa means - but we have to do that anyway.

If we consider that the strains from India (especially the coast) are the mid point between Afghan and SE Asian strains (leaf shape and cannabinoids) then its more clear. That is... Indica is basic drug cannabis, and SE Asian and Afghan are the outliers in terms of leaf shape and cannabinoid ratios.

We need to remember that NLD and BLD are relative. NLD is used to describe non Afghan plants with leaves that are not broad. It includes but is not limited to the ultra narrow leaf plants that clearly deserve a sub class.

If we are gonna start using NLD instead of Sativa then its important to also retrain our brain to use Afghanica and find a term for the ultra narrow leaf plants with high THC low CBX ratios.

I would go as far as to say everything was named perfectly accept that the Tropicals got mixed up with the NLH. We just have to remember Indica means India not Afghanistan

 

[bioguy]

Another random factoid from that book that I thought was cool.

It says that the Afghan lineage arose in Afghanistan but NOT Pakistan. It says BLD lines evolved up to the border but not across it. I could not find info about when it was introduced. I suspect it means the Pakistani lines are hybrids that were breed into Afghan dominant lines in search of hash producing phenotypes.

I think the opposite may have occurred in Nepal where NLD varieties are common in hash areas more typically associated with BLD cultivars.

 

[bioguy]

Lets also not forget classifying a plant based on leaf shape is about as useless as classifying people based on the width of our foot.

If we relied on it we would have Japanese Maple next to Cannabis on the evolutionary tree.

 

[PWF]

you are lying about ndnguys seeds.
now you talk about karma.
did you personally give ndnguy his g13/hp?
no you did not.
ndnguy said they were never in nevils possesion.
now youre saying he is a liar.
you are making up your own history about someones gift to you.
your lies disgust me.
bigherb, your post of c/p quotes only supports what i am saying.
read it again if you think i am mistaken.
i am baffled by your conclusion that it says otherwise.
symbiote420, you are lying about the pre88.

I was just talking about this subject with some forum bros .....after I just finished growing ndnguy's '88 G13/HP, which originally were a limited release by The Seed Bank Holland (Neville) as G13 x Hashplant/NL #1 F-1 Hybrid, I think it could possibly be a/the source of the Chem phenomenon!

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Smells and looks eerily "Chemmy" to me!

 

[PWF]

bodhi did not make the clusterfunk btw, that was my creation.
shout that shit out ffs.
no, you wont give me any credit and that is ok.
it shows how much you really care.

PWF

Its Sad when Facts are Mistaken an stories change .We have taken the thread off topic but I have tried to set history straight .You have your Facts wrong an mind made up

Noo trouble from me here is my last attempt ,Below is a post from British Hempire an ngnguy responded back at MNS Forums





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BTW ndnguy is still on the board here, If he wished to make a statement he would .


To add to Topic of OP Motarebel has some Potent strains many Non related to Chem.
Fugu Kush i can attest was Fire .MOTA spoke highly of both parents Pre98 Bubba an Blowfish .Bodhi is another Breeder with many Gems non related to Chem ,his Tranquil Elephantizer ,Dank Sinatra come to mind


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[bioguy]

I've got a question for the big dog's.

Have you ever noticed odd phenotypes in seed lines that could have been explained by environment?

I ask because it is well known that phenotype is partially determined by environmental triggers during development. This has been shown to effects everything from size to sex. So I ask, what other traits might be manipulated? Might terrible soil (or perfect soil) trigger the expression of a gene responsible for a specific terpene?

Is it possible that some (any) of the famous clone only strains may be expressing their famous trait due to something that happened in its youth that is not easily replicated. It could have been pot size, nutrient levels, stress, lighting wavelength or a combo of all. Remember that once the phentype is determined in youth its pretty much set...so the clones would have it but not the siblings.

I have no proof for this theory but plenty of anecdotal evidence exists. Like:

Sativa growers have been flowering plants from seed under 12/12 in small pots to force smaller phenotypes for decades + landrace genetics often lack luster when grown away from their native soil + the trait is sometimes impossible to pass to further generations + even clones preform differently in different locations.

If this is true its probably rare but it could explain all sorts of things.

Only someone who has sprouted 1000's of their own seeds would be able to spot this happening so it may have gone unnoticed.

 

[bigherb]

bodhi did not make the clusterfunk btw, that was my creation.
shout that shit out ffs.
no, you wont give me any credit and that is ok.
it shows how much you really care.

Now it's official Everything you say should not be acknowledged

I'd love to hear what bodhi has to say about that

Once again ngnguy is still here , if he's your friend you would know that . If anything needed to be corrected he could do soo

I'm starting to wonder if you are related to Hempy

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