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UFC 168: Weidman vs. Silva II
- Thread starter Mr. Bongjangles
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Hillbillie
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I seen the pics of this fight .. I hate it for Silvia ,, That had to hurt !!
G`day Bmac
Yep I checked this video of Chute Boxe a few years back .
This looks like Pride era .
Wandy vs Shogun .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sMrlv0Ub4M
Thanks for sharin
EB .
Yep I checked this video of Chute Boxe a few years back .
This looks like Pride era .
Wandy vs Shogun .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sMrlv0Ub4M
Thanks for sharin
EB .
Im a big Wanderlei fan and his best days are definitely behind him. I know he is still dangerous but seeing him get KO'd by guys like Chris Leben is just a sad sight to me.
At this point, he will never hold the belt again and he is just taking years off his life. I personally would like to see him retire and become a coach.
I vaguely remember a story about Shogun and Wanderlei fighting over a puppy and I think Shogun got KO'd by Wand at Chute Boxe. Those guys were nuts.
At this point, he will never hold the belt again and he is just taking years off his life. I personally would like to see him retire and become a coach.
I vaguely remember a story about Shogun and Wanderlei fighting over a puppy and I think Shogun got KO'd by Wand at Chute Boxe. Those guys were nuts.
Hillbillie
Member
Docs say Silvia is back up and walking .. with rods .
This has to be the most painful compound fracture a person can endure.
If I even bump that spot on my shins, it hurts bad. Getting kicked in the shins hurts bad too. This kick from Silva was like kicking the corner of a brick building as hard as he could.
If you chop at your shins, you will notice that near the ankle, it doesnt hurt that much. But go 4 inches higher, and its soooo painful. Right were he broke it. Worst spot.
Go even higher up by the knee and it doesnt hurt either. Silva hit the upper knee part of Weidmans shin, were it doesnt hurt and is rock hard, with the area of his shin that hurts like hell and is ultra sensitive to pain. What bad luck.
Silva threw that kick with anger. See his face when he threw it? He gave it everything he had. ...He caught a bad break.
If I even bump that spot on my shins, it hurts bad. Getting kicked in the shins hurts bad too. This kick from Silva was like kicking the corner of a brick building as hard as he could.
If you chop at your shins, you will notice that near the ankle, it doesnt hurt that much. But go 4 inches higher, and its soooo painful. Right were he broke it. Worst spot.
Go even higher up by the knee and it doesnt hurt either. Silva hit the upper knee part of Weidmans shin, were it doesnt hurt and is rock hard, with the area of his shin that hurts like hell and is ultra sensitive to pain. What bad luck.
Silva threw that kick with anger. See his face when he threw it? He gave it everything he had. ...He caught a bad break.
MMA is a lot different to boxing in terms of damage taken to the head. For so many reasons. The fact that you can hit a downed fighter - the fact the fight goes to the ground and the fight can be finished there and then, rather than being potentially more damaging to the fighter, is the reason they don't take the sustained punishment to the head that boxers do when repeatedly hit for twelve rounds with more padded gloves on, with standing 8 counts, and time to recover between knockdowns. In other words the most brutal aspect of MMA, the part you want changed, is the very thing which keeps them from that kind of sustained damage.
Yes you'll still see punch drunk MMA fighters who stay in the sport far too long and are involved in too many wars. But by and large the retired MMA fighters aren't showing the same effects as the majority of retired boxers.
Not nearly enough evidence to support that. Blows to the head cause permanent damage. If a person is knocked unconscious, regardless of how, he has sustained a brain injury which won't manifest immediately but later in life. Now they are finding more evidence of the brain damage caused to football players, and they are wearing helmets. Being knocked out is a permanent injury. Those brain cells don't grow back. One MMA fighter has been killed in the ring that I know of. It was in some minor league. Only a matter of time before one of these guys dies from a blow to the temple, or an elbow to the temple, which is even more dangerous.
In boxing, they don't pounce on and hit an unconscious person.
Not enough evidence exists now to support that, but, based only on listening to some of these retired fighters doing punditry, it's growing. As a fan of both sports and a long term boxing fan, I can say it stands up perfectly to reason and common sense that boxing is a more brutal sport in terms of damage done, for many reasons.
It's true, in boxing they don't jump on a downed opponent, but like I say, that's one of the reasons MMA fighters don't sustain as much damage as boxers. From a technical point of view, when a fighter is floored by a punch, if he can't defend himself, the ref jumps in.
And that's one of many reasons I believe MMA is safer - the refs.
The standard of refereeing in the UFC, for example, is light years ahead of boxing. Boxing as a sport is archaic in comparison and needs a radical overhaul on so many levels. The UFC refs almost always impress me. Yes there are mistakes, but that's the case in anything. The overall standard is really high while the standard of officiating in boxing is sometimes literally shocking. It's scary to see how inadequate some of these refs are.
Boxers take a lot more damage a lot more often than they should and I think most people who follow the sport will fully agree with that. There are too many fighters taking 1,2,3 sometimes 4 or more shots more than they should do. No corner should ever have to throw a towel into the ring and yet you see it happen often. The level of reffing in boxing is shocking sometimes to be honest.
But then you've got the whole physical aspect of being hit when on the ground.
If a fighter who is unable to defend himself, takes another punch while on the floor, the physical effect of that punch isn't as damaging as it is brutal to look at; the reason for this is because the fighters head is already on the floor - There is no snapback and as a result the head doesn't jolt. Facial injuries occur, but the brain doesn't move around much in the cavity of the cranium in this instance, compared to a boxer who, standing upright, will have his head thrown around repeatedly by blows, especially in a dazed state.
The downward punches to a floored fighter whose head is already on the ground, are not as damaging to the brain as those lateral shots to the jaw and temple of a fighter which tilt the head viciously off axis or side to side, or uppercuts, which are equally dangerous even at the best of times.
Hundreds more punches are thrown and landed in a boxing match vs a MMA fight, which is another big factor.
Then you've got the glove-weight. This is another reason boxers sustain so much damage. Boxing gloves are padded and much heavier; they basically allow for more blows to be landed, the cumulative effect of which is often what puts a fighter down. Think Cotto vs Margarito and you're on the right lines. The sheer sustained punishment and fatigue combined to finish him in the 10th of their first fight.
And then there's the sparring. This is one of the biggest aspects of fighting in general.
In a boxing sparring session, you might do 4 or 5 hard rounds, with headgear yes, but still you're being hit repeatedly for the duration of that session. In Mixed martial arts you might spend a lot of your time wrestling, practicing transitions, focusing on submissions. A very small part is actual boxing-style sparring. Even in the standup, a lot of focus is on leg kicks etc.
All round I think that despite the fact that no solid evidence exists to say this or that has exactly this % of damage, all the technical facts of the respective sports support the argument that, despite it's seeming brutality, your average MMA fighter is more likely to retire at or close to full health, than the average boxer.
Yes people will be killed or seriously injured. But they will in many other sports and activities. Cycling, Skiing, Swimming, Marathon running, Football, Skateboarding, Motocross, F1. They'll all have a casualty and mortality rate.
In my time watching boxing I've seen a lot of fighters with serious long term injuries and seen some die. I remember Gerald Mclellan vs Nigel Benn, and Eubank vs Watson... And I do believe, in fact I'm certain that if, in the first instance of the fighter being shook and floored, he was finished with one or two more strikes on the ground before a competent ref stopped the contest, those injuries and fatalities would not have happened. That speaks a lot about the visual brutality of the sport of MMA vs the actual damage sustained by boxers.
It's true, in boxing they don't jump on a downed opponent, but like I say, that's one of the reasons MMA fighters don't sustain as much damage as boxers. From a technical point of view, when a fighter is floored by a punch, if he can't defend himself, the ref jumps in.
And that's one of many reasons I believe MMA is safer - the refs.
The standard of refereeing in the UFC, for example, is light years ahead of boxing. Boxing as a sport is archaic in comparison and needs a radical overhaul on so many levels. The UFC refs almost always impress me. Yes there are mistakes, but that's the case in anything. The overall standard is really high while the standard of officiating in boxing is sometimes literally shocking. It's scary to see how inadequate some of these refs are.
Boxers take a lot more damage a lot more often than they should and I think most people who follow the sport will fully agree with that. There are too many fighters taking 1,2,3 sometimes 4 or more shots more than they should do. No corner should ever have to throw a towel into the ring and yet you see it happen often. The level of reffing in boxing is shocking sometimes to be honest.
But then you've got the whole physical aspect of being hit when on the ground.
If a fighter who is unable to defend himself, takes another punch while on the floor, the physical effect of that punch isn't as damaging as it is brutal to look at; the reason for this is because the fighters head is already on the floor - There is no snapback and as a result the head doesn't jolt. Facial injuries occur, but the brain doesn't move around much in the cavity of the cranium in this instance, compared to a boxer who, standing upright, will have his head thrown around repeatedly by blows, especially in a dazed state.
The downward punches to a floored fighter whose head is already on the ground, are not as damaging to the brain as those lateral shots to the jaw and temple of a fighter which tilt the head viciously off axis or side to side, or uppercuts, which are equally dangerous even at the best of times.
Hundreds more punches are thrown and landed in a boxing match vs a MMA fight, which is another big factor.
Then you've got the glove-weight. This is another reason boxers sustain so much damage. Boxing gloves are padded and much heavier; they basically allow for more blows to be landed, the cumulative effect of which is often what puts a fighter down. Think Cotto vs Margarito and you're on the right lines. The sheer sustained punishment and fatigue combined to finish him in the 10th of their first fight.
And then there's the sparring. This is one of the biggest aspects of fighting in general.
In a boxing sparring session, you might do 4 or 5 hard rounds, with headgear yes, but still you're being hit repeatedly for the duration of that session. In Mixed martial arts you might spend a lot of your time wrestling, practicing transitions, focusing on submissions. A very small part is actual boxing-style sparring. Even in the standup, a lot of focus is on leg kicks etc.
All round I think that despite the fact that no solid evidence exists to say this or that has exactly this % of damage, all the technical facts of the respective sports support the argument that, despite it's seeming brutality, your average MMA fighter is more likely to retire at or close to full health, than the average boxer.
Yes people will be killed or seriously injured. But they will in many other sports and activities. Cycling, Skiing, Swimming, Marathon running, Football, Skateboarding, Motocross, F1. They'll all have a casualty and mortality rate.
In my time watching boxing I've seen a lot of fighters with serious long term injuries and seen some die. I remember Gerald Mclellan vs Nigel Benn, and Eubank vs Watson... And I do believe, in fact I'm certain that if, in the first instance of the fighter being shook and floored, he was finished with one or two more strikes on the ground before a competent ref stopped the contest, those injuries and fatalities would not have happened. That speaks a lot about the visual brutality of the sport of MMA vs the actual damage sustained by boxers.
whenever i think of a boxing ref i wonder who paid him off... because thats the reputation they have
when even the women put on a more entertaining match than the men you really have something
when even the women put on a more entertaining match than the men you really have something
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SPG*
They would Remove Silvas Metal Rod/plate though at some Point.. They Did me after shattering my Thema Due to a car Crash
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Spider Crab
I imagine it is just a thin piece of titanium or something?
Not a 12 inch length of rebar.
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SPG*
? A rod was inserted into my right Thema then removed several yrs later
I have the rod quite handy even tho the crash was in 1991 ill do a pic. ;-)
So if he was allowed to continue with a bar in his shin bone then the break couldn't happen again!? Imagine the Fracture would be just as painful. ...Smoke lol??
I have the rod quite handy even tho the crash was in 1991 ill do a pic. ;-)
So if he was allowed to continue with a bar in his shin bone then the break couldn't happen again!? Imagine the Fracture would be just as painful. ...Smoke lol??
Actually, it can be removed if desired, according to the surgeon, although I can't imagine why they would do that, unless there was another break.
