WBK White Berry Kush **Test Grow**

[stihgnobevoli]

what's up good citizens of the planet earth, i'm back again. new spot, less stress, hopefully less interrupted grows, new box. still ghetto. still hard to the core.

this time around i'm gonna be growing out these WBK's from 40ampstofreedom its [Bluebonic x The White OG 2.0]

popped ...i can't remember ...however many seeds and i got 2 girls left 2 phenos. wbk#2 tall and lanky, a second one shorter but also lanky wbk#1, doesn't bush as much as #2

WBK these clones are about 4 weeks from when they rooted been about 2-3 weeks since they've been in flower. or rather since i flipped 12/12.

2 different phenos, i call wbk#1 short one on the left, and wbk#2 taller one on right. the #2 seems to branch more than #1, the first time they both got real stretchy so couldn't really see a diff in phenos.

these are both clones from #2. in fact it roots real easy. the tiniest clone i've ever taken...that's the one on the left. the #1 on the other hand i ended up with 2 surviving clones out of the 4 cuts i took. as you see the growth structure is apparent even in clones from different parts of the stem.

the flower structure on the #2 is a lot more clusters of flowers closer together. from last time looked like #2 would double the yield of #1 at least. i only kept both clones because the #1 might have been way better overall. we'll find out.

#1 on left #2 on right. @ 6 weeks veg + 2-3 weeks flower.
here's the moms so you can see the structure over time is about the same, these are clones from the original plants fairly untopped aside from where i took the cuts. the #1 is mostly indica lookin in structure and vegge's slower than the #2 which gets real branchy and tall, all the branches seem to want to even out into a canopy. very viney but strong, the #1 is a little flimsy feeling. the #1 is about 4 inches shorter than the #2. they both stretch a bit in the first 2 weeks, but seem like they max out about week 3.

the structure of the flowers on the #2 mom.

that's all for now, see ya in a week as always... might be like 2-3 weeks lol.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

oh yeah... the details.

growing in a 50/40/10 mix of coco, EWC and perlite with some organic amendments , lime, bone meal, azomite, guano, etc. i've been feeding with alaska fish for now, just picked up a bottle of alaska kelp, and i have some jamaican batshit for the P.

growing under 100w MH in a 18x18x32 box. plants are in 6inch tapered square pots. i estimate volume is somewhere between 1 and 2 quarts. i water enough to see a little runoff and often enough to keep the coco moist but not too damp. i got stone floors it keeps the pots real cool and also the medium moist.

um... what else... i might switch to a 70w HPS for the last 3 weeks.

oh yeah one more thing, i'm gonna be doing a side by side to test out defoliation. all the people i've asked about it were very vague and reluctant to post side by side pics. so i'm taking it upon myself to try it out.

i took two identical clones, although one a little taller than the other. and i will defoliate the taller one to make it fairer. i'll follow all the rebuttals...erm guidelines. only a little at a time. so i started by taking a few fan leaves off the top and the very bottom, i won't be taking any branches. i'll only defoliate right after i water the plant i'm defoliating. the other one i will prune as normal when needed, top/bend/etc. we shall see which one is the better off at the end.

before

after

 

[stihgnobevoli]

it's been about a week right? nothing much to see really cept a K def that i'm battling. dunno if it's this coco or because it's been a little cold lately and the pots aren't drying as fast as before leading to an overwatering situation.

first up the Defoiling Exparemint.

'FRONT'

'BACK'
Experiment on Left, Control on right. First off the control caught up to the experiment in height. second it also got too close to the bulb. ignore that leaf. the Experiment seems to be getting more bulky since i started taking leaves off...oddly enough. but the control has also started shaping up. too early to say anything yet. i also noticed that the experiment seems to be drinking more than the control even with less leaves to perspire from.

the moms.

'FRONT'

'BACK'

WBK#2 on Left side this time / WBK#1 on Right.

the #1 has almost caught up with the #2 height wise, and is starting to bud up. already frosting up also on the little leaves closest to the buds.

the #2 is not stretching anymore and has turned it's attention to bud production. drinking a ton... but at the same time i can't water everyday, i pulled the pot off and notice it's real soggy down there. not to the point where the roots are rotting but imma ease up on the water a little. too far into the game to transplant...not that that would do anything cept maybe make it even taller. i got 4-6 inches before they hit ceiling. totally did not intend for them to be this tall. almost at 3 feet tall.

lastly the unfortunate ones being shadowed by the taller ones. #1 on left #2 on right.

i'm either overwatering or there just isn't enough magnesium or K available to plants growing in coco. i swear i been feeding almost every watering and there is plenty of K in the amendments i mixed into the soil mix. plus there's a little in the alaska fish i've been using, and theres some in the mollasses i add to my water, and a little in the High P guano i use.

i just switched to using Kelp instead of the alaska fish, so hopefully we can see a few less yellowing spotted edged leaves next week.

 

[xmobotx]

the defol side by side should be interesting

 

[stihgnobevoli]

thanks for stopping by eX-mobo-Te-x yeah i'm interested to finally either have a new method to use for max yields...or something to toss into the face of those clowns that refuse to do a real case study on defoiling instead of going..."it works just trust me brah i didn't do any side by sides or anything but it does."

i finished making a new carbon filter in case anyone is interested. i usually do my filtering last...lol i never plan for that shit while i'm building the box for some reason. anyway i'm using 4 inch fans so i thought i need something that fits right over the holes i cut based on the inside diameter of the blade area of the fan. happens to be exactly 3 inches.

i got this idea of using air filter screens from someone else on here, dunno who but shout out to you homie. great idea. kills 2 birds with one stone. something to allow airflow while keeping the carbon and it's dust contained, yet malleable and form-able and reinforced to hold the weight.

i notice these reducers in the plumbing section of the casa. they go from 4 inch to 3 inch diameter, 4 inches high. has enough space to hold a nice amount of carbon, and a little area for the pressure to build a tiny bit before the carbon so that the fans aren't working super hard against the blockage.

step one, cut out a piece of filter and glue it to the inside of the reducer. there's a handy little lip for you to mold the filter a little.

finished. i used gorilla glue. anything that's pretty thick and dries somewhat fast should be good. you need to saturate the filter material with the glue so that it will still stick well. those wires in the filter don't exactly lay down all the way flat.

step 2 add carbon.

step 3 cut another piece of filter material to put over the top. i started to glue this on too, but i figure tape will be easier to remove than glue when the time comes to change the carbon. hope you enjoy.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

alright so far so good 11.75 hours of filtering and my house doesn't smell like weed, and the temps only went up 3f. without filter 11f over ambient/ with filters 14f over. not bad not bad. as long as i can keep my house under 80 degrees i think i'll be alright this grow.


lol accidentally wrote celsius instead of fahrenheit the first time, was wondering why 14c over ambient seemed a little hot in my mind.

 

[xmobotx]

should be a pretty good carbon filter esp. for DIYer; what you using for fans? PC?

 

[stihgnobevoli]

yeah using 2x80mm fans. they cost like $1 each when i bought em.

week 4 i think now. something like end week 4.
been battling something, either the cold air, the high humidity, or some sort of mites i saw around the drain holes of my pots, or the overwatering situation that some of that caused or was the cause of. but the end result is some sort of root damage that is causing slow uptake in the plants. when will i ever have a trouble free grow. meh who needs trouble free. hardmode all the way.

the deficiencies are going away but there's some micro def going on maybe i need more K. been giving kelp only mixed with my water along with mag and guano for the P, and as always some "mole asses" for the bacteria and the iron calcium potassium and magnesium. so the nutes can't be the problem. going to let all the pots get dangerously dry before watering more.

first up is the defoliation (defoiling) experiment. Defoil on the left and Control on the right. now you might think they're pretty even looking at the pics, and think that the defoil is like an inch taller this week and making the comeback.

possibly so. but at this point having them in real life and not pictures i can tell you the control is actually winning. its got more weight on it, dunno if it's all in the leaves, but even with the leaves you can see they almost look the same. looks like about 6-7 leaf difference.
The defoliation guys i hear say it's gonna take a lil longer to finish? prolly cuz the plant slowed down a lot?

we'll see soon enough.

Moms #2 on left, #1 on right. i think that goes without saying by this point right? there is a clear difference in phenos. one (#2) is a bushy sativa type with sativa bud structure but indica goldball style buds it would seem. the other is more indica in stature, and branching... or lack thereof, with the same sativa style indica buds. but this one looks like its gonna go more indica than the #2. which parent did they get the bud structure from i wonder.

the way they stack up is almost i dentical. i thought i might have posted the same picture twice at first. WBK#2

WBK#1

i had to go double check to make sure lol. but while i was in there i notice they look a lot better since i let em dry out some, the other #1 that's been looking weak and lime green for a while now looks nice and deep green color. i noticed something on one of the dying fan leaves on my NL so i broke out the loupe. there were mold spores on it, four little white fluff balls. so i tossed that leaf far from the rest. i went to inspect the drain holes and i only managed to see 1 mite moving around. i examined some dead leaves on the top that i use for mulch. i saw one with my naked eye growing gold colored mold and spores all over it which caused me to immediately panic. but then i louped it and i panicked some more cuz it was covered in mites too. but then i calmed down and am now at peace because i see they are just helping the decomposing, they're good mites. whew! i meditated a while with my loupe and my super eyeballs and just watched all the "Whovillians" living in the surface of my soil doing their jobs. little green molds and grey fungii and mites all doing their part. first the molds, then the mites that eat the molds and then the fungii that decompose whats left.

i feel at ease and i think the whole issue was too much moisture. i have opened the closet up so that the air circulates more with the fresh air from the rest of the house, instead of just recycling the moist air as had been doing. i honestly thought the crack under the door would be enough. watering a little less also gonna go for damp and not moist now, also try and keep the top layer not too dry.

i've also been spraying the moms only with some kelp, only done it once 3 days ago, gonna dose em again tomorrow. see if there is any difference over the ones i didn't foliar feed.

anyway till next week.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

Week 5. i'll assume i've been calling these mid week, i really don't remember which part of the week i started counting on. it's either beginnings or ends. lets just call it midweek with +-3 in either direction.

the plants are better. been really cold lately as you know if you live anywhere in north america. so i let the pots go really long before watering again. all that moisture fucked the roots a bit and some roots dried out during the following drought. but we're good again. greened up a lot, either the foliar feeling of the kelp or the warmer temps in the rootzone. but it wasn't the mites. those seem to be only feeding on dead/decaying matter much like the molds and fungus i see eating my leaves and turning them back into compost.

first up is the defoilisperiment...name is a w.i.p. on the left is the Defoil and on the right is the Control.

as you can see in the pic the defoil is clearly anorexic in comparison to the control. they both seem to have their buds in the same places and the same amount of frost and levels of ripeness. but the one with the leaves is almost 2x as full looking as the defoil.

Defoil Budshot

Defoil Closeup

not too shabby right? ok...

The Control Budshot

Control Closeup

It's only week 5 and we have been suffering some issues, still got least 4-5 weeks to go by the looks of things so... it's impossible to call right now.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

Lastly we have the moms.

WBK#2 on left if you forgot and #1 on right. dunno if you notice but one of #2's colas looks like it stretched way over the other. that's not what happened... there was a fire.
they're both pretty frosty for week 5, i'm headed to the frostiest thread after this. the smells are starting to come out. the #2 is what i like, real fruity bananish type of pineappley smell with lemon sherbert on the side. the #1 i can't really call it right now, smells like a very mild version of #2's smells but with something else on top of it. i had just watered the plants before i attempted to rub test for smells. i had some fish on my hand from the water jug. it smelled like some real stenchy type of garbage smell. but i'll have to check again later when i'm not holding a smelly handle water jug.

that's all for now. till next time.

 

[grassott's dad]

Are the defol experiment plants budding in the same cab as the flowering moms?

 

[stihgnobevoli]

yes they're all in the same fucking cab...lemme guess it's not a true experiment unless i build an individual cab for each plant on the moon?

 

[xmobotx]

on titan

 

[stihgnobevoli]

mid week 7, updating a little late but these pics are from last friday

fix one problem and get hit with another. got over the watering situation, seems the top was drying out was faster than the bottom so the bottom stays too wet and the top too dry. got over that one by keeping the top moist with a light sprinkle every morning or 2.

the buds have taken off and started really getting solid, but now we are running into deficiencies again, this one seems to be P and Ca. i think the Ca was always there creeping up and i mistook it for, or it was disguised with the K def. Either that or i locked it out with all the Mg i gave last week. or maybe because i followed that up with only water to offset it and now i've got real hunger issues?

WBK#2 i'm gonna hit em with some kelp next week after a little foliar feeding tomorrow. see if the foliar fixes anything before following with a root feeding. reminded me that i went a bit light on the lime as i was mixing the soil, that one handful was the end of the bag.

WBK#1

the #1 has really started packing it in and may come within 75% of what #2 looks to hit. smells are starting to come out more in the #1 also. they both smell similar now. lemony fruity berry smells. gets all over you too.

i trimmed all the larf off these after these pics. didn't seem worth keeping. in fact seemed detrimental on the #2, the #1 all the larf was way at the bottom and i turned some into more clones. the rest will be hashed or sampled once dry.

the untopped babies exhibiting better indication of the plant needs. the WBK#2 on the left WBK#1 on right.

the #2 really likes nitrogen and mag

the #1 needs more Cal and Mg

 

[stihgnobevoli]

the Defoilsperiment

this is where it will *OFFICIALLY* end. i was gonna prune the defoil plant in an effort to help it focus all it's energy on top and possibly put out something to help it's cause. but i accidentally pruned all the lower growth on the control too. lol .


oops. i mean technically it's pretty apparent that the winner is gonna be the control but i can't call it. fairly.

so i will do it again from clones next round. i was glancing over the original defoil thread and i think i need to start defoiling from veg for it to be true defoil. so imma do that next time. and i'm also gonna do a bushy ass plant so that i can keep within the guidelines set forth by grassy dads all over the world..

same as last time i think... defoil on left, control on right.

Defoil

Control

til next week.

 

[xmobotx]

in separate cabs on the moon right?

 

[stihgnobevoli]

on separate planets all together. ...on the sun for maximum light penetration.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

swapped out the 100wMH for a 70wHPS for the rest of the grow. i figure we got at least 2 weeks left.

just popped round 2 and got clones for the next go round. also finishing up my veg box 16"x18" 'cube'.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

Defoil on left, Control on right.

i started to chop these down last week, but i decided to let them both go as long as possible before i chop, since i don't know the ideal time frame for these plants. they both look just about done though. i'll let em go for amber. all cloudy now.

Defoil

Defoil

Control

Control

Control still clearly winning, but surprisingly the defoil is actually catching up a little. i'd say it's within 35-40% of the control.

still a week or 3 left. lets see what happens.

 

[stihgnobevoli]

WBK#2 mom or what was left by the time i decided to take a "harvest" picture.

WBK#2

i've got 3 more in there, i'll let those ones show what it looks like at 9-10-11-12 etc however many weeks.

WBK#1 Mom before chop today at 8 weeks. something like 60 days of 12/12. i didn't count the individual days.

really packs it in towards the end. real chunky and also has a really funky smell to it. no more lemons and berries, smells like hot garbage now.

These guys need staking up badly. #2 on left #1 on right.


anyway's till next week.