UFC 168: Weidman vs. Silva II

[Elmer Bud]

damn i missed it. where can i see a replay?

http://fightvideo.mma77.com/2013/12/weidman-vs-silva-2.html

 

[yesum]

^^ thanks for the link. I paid for this fight and my cable box went down. doubt they will reimburse me either.

i got to listen to the action and look at still pictures on the stream from internet. fucking luck.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Silva always backs straight up when he dodges a punch. I knew he would get clipped on the chin one day. Thats the problem with always pulling straight back. His opponent watches the videos of his fights, steps in alot more and aims for the back of Silvas head when he throws a punch, and that defeats Silvas gay, dodgy, "backing up", show-off shit.
Hes so cocky and arrogant. Im glad he got K.O'ed.
I hope this time Weidman ground and pounds Silva and breaks his will to ever be in the cage again.
I hope it haunts Silvas nightmares forever.
I wanna see serious blood, coming from Silva, covering the ring, Weidmans elbows, and gloves. I wanna see Silva tap like a bitch.

The only fight I really wanna see on this card is Uriah Hall knocking around Chris Leben for 2 rounds. Then coming out in the 3'rd, to a bloodied, exhausted Leben, whos heart is only gonna get his own face punched in by Hall for another devastating round.
Leben is just a punching bag for the heavy hitters like Hall.

A broken leg is even better than a broken will! LOVE IT!
Did I predict it or what?!? I knew Silva was gonna get destroyed and not be able to fight anymore after this!
Later Anderson. Never liked ya. Never have to see your skinny legged punk ass in the ring no more wearing spandex.
I always wondered when someone was gonna break his leg with a knee check. Im glad it was a newbie with real skillz.
See Danas face?!?!? He just lost 100 million on Anderson in the long run!
Plus the betting money. The spiders web may be strong, but its still only made of silk.

As for Leben....My top post said it all. Leben got cracked in his face and and it broke his will to fight anymore.
He wont be back either.
Glad I went with my gut instincts.

 

[SPG*]

Nice to see Rousey get punched in the Face her Judo skills are awesome though

Kudos EB

 

[Ickis]

Now that we know Silva is ok let the fun begin.

Silva is a much more skilled fighter, the best of all time, and he will knock Weidman out tonight.

He is not going to clown, he is going to fight angry, and he will destroy Weidman, who got lucky in the first fight.

I see Silva leg kicking him 'till he can't walk, and then destroying him with strikes & knees.

Silva will destroy him,

ROFLMAO!!

Silva was the most overrated champion of all time. He wasn't dominant in Pride and he really didn't fight anybody in the UFC but Hondo who himself was very overrated and Belfort who is a cheater and also overrated.

 

[Ickis]

Shaking hands is an American deal, and guess what, Americans did not invent martial arts.

But we hold most of the belts. Notice all the american flags.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFC_champions

 

[Ickis]

Brazilians are much "sweeter" @ heart than Americans,

You mean like Palhares?

And another thing, the one thing I don't like about this sport. When a man is knocked out with one punch, which Silva clearly was, how is it sporting to pounce on an unconscious man and smash him in the face a few more times? This should not be allowed. If a fighter's defenseless and unconscious, why hit him again when he is flat on his back with his arms at his side? Someone is going to get killed some day by these tactics, and I think they need to change the rules to prevent more damage to a fighter who is already knocked out. Dan Henderson punching an unconscious Bisping was a prime example of this cowardly tactic. There should be a penalty for punching an unconscious fighter. I don't see anything sporting about it.

You mean like when Silva knocked out Belfort with a kick to the face and then punched him a couple times while he laid on the mat unconcious?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhkoqvXMd9k

Retro you have been proven wrong with facts and results.

 

[yesum]

^^ It is standard for a fighter to continue to punch a downed opponent. If you let them just lay there you risk them recovering. Not bad sportsmanship at all, they just wanna win and it is all within the rules for the sport.

Weidman was a really bad match up for Silva. Not saying Weidman cannot beat everyone else, most likely he could, but his ground and pound was like a curse for Silva. Not to mention his leg checks! ouch.

I never understood why fighters would not check thai roundhouse leg kicks. Just lift your knee and point it a bit out. Is it that hard? I trained that in Filipino Kali and they call them 'limb destructions'. Use the point of your elbow to block and break fists too, though that is harder to pull off.

Look for a lot more fighters lifting their knees and checking now. hehe:

Nothing against GSP but I enjoyed Hendricks beating him up. He never finishes anyone lately and it is getting boring. Silva seems 2 faced and not really respectful of others though he would act like it out of the ring. In the ring I think he showed his real feelings.

Think both of them are done but Silva for sure. Time for new champs in these weight classes.

 

[Bmac1]

Yes, it is the referees job, but we all know the referee can't get there quickly enough to prevent several more blows. However, in the spirit of sportsmanship, I feel the guys who walk away after a knockout are showing class and restraint. After all, the other guy's unconscious. How is that sporting to hit an unconscious opponent? I just don't think that should be part of the sport, just as in boxing, hitting after the bell is not allowed. And I like the standing 8 count in boxing. Maybe it will take a brain damaged or dead fighter to get a rule change.

It is the refs job to be at the ready to pounce to stop a fight. Some referees are better at this than others. Hitting an unconscious opponent is not hitting an opponent after the bell. The fight doesnt stop till the ref pulls you off or the bell rings.

These guys are so focused on the fighting "kill or be killed" mentality that the ref needs to protect them from themselves as much as the other fighter. Some guys wouldnt stop till it was too late. Some other guys have a calmer demeanor and have more sportsmanship. It still boils down to the ref having the responsibility of protecting the fighters.

If it is blatant and out of line, the fighters get dealt with. See Babalu, Paul Daley and Pallhares for recent examples.

The standing 8 count and the 3 knockdown rule are 2 of the most dangerous things about boxing and the reason why there are many more boxers dying and falling victim to brain damage than MMA fighters.

In MMA you get a flash KO, hit maybe 1-2 times and the fight is over. In boxing, you get a flash KO and maybe take 1 on the way down and hey, as long as you can get up again in 8 seconds, we will let you get hit another 10-20 times and fall down again and so on and so on. Its this prolonged head trauma that leads to so much long term damage.

MMA is much safer than boxing but its not "safe" by any means cause getting punched in the head for a living is not a recipe for a long, healthy life.

 

[RetroGrow]

MMA hasn't been around long enough to see the long term damage of taking punches & kicks to the head. I'm pretty sure you will be seeing "punch drunk" MMA fighters in the future, and it's only a matter of time before someone gets killed by a blow to the temple in the octagon. A good example was Josh Barnett last night. He was knocked out by a knee, fell to his knees and was propped up by the other guy's knee, who proceeded to slam him in the temple with three elbows, any one of which could have been fatal, all because the referee didn't seem to notice that he was already knocked out by the knee, which the announcers didn't notice either, even after watching it a second time. I like to see a good fight, but I don't think it should be life or death. After all, it's supposed to be a "sport". Where's the sportsmanship in hitting an unconscious opponent?

 

[Bmac1]

MMA hasn't been around long enough to see the long term damage of taking punches & kicks to the head. I'm pretty sure you will be seeing "punch drunk" MMA fighters in the future, and it's only a matter of time before someone gets killed by a blow to the temple in the octagon. A good example was Josh Barnett last night. He was knocked out by a knee, fell to his knees and was propped up by the other guy's knee, who proceeded to slam him in the temple with three elbows, any one of which could have been fatal, all because the referee didn't seem to notice that he was already knocked out by the knee, which the announcers didn't notice either, even after watching it a second time. I like to see a good fight, but I don't think it should be life or death. After all, it's supposed to be a "sport". Where's the sportsmanship in hitting an unconscious opponent?

Nobody noticed it because it didnt happen. He landed the knee and it hurt, no doubt about it but he still shot the double leg. You can see his hands still clasped. It was after the first or second elbow you could see his hands unclasp and he went limp.

There are already punch drunk ex UFC fighters. Gary Goodridge comes to mind. CHuck Liddell and hell, even Dielgo Sanchez has sounded punch drunk and he is still fighting. Its no secret that getting hit in the head is bad for you. Any combat sport is going to have sad stories of damage done.

Its not unsportsmanlike to hit a guy in the heat of the moment. I dont know how else to get this fact across to you. They are told in the dressing room to protect themselves at all times and that the fight only stops when the ref pulls them off, the bell rings.

The ones who were unsportsmanlike were dealt with. They lost the biggest shots of their careers by doing so. One who should have been punished that wasnt was Hendo and he even admitted to knowingly trying to hurt Bisping after he knew he was out. It was disgraceful and I Was sure he was going to get suspended.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Folks

John Danaher !
When Weidman won the 1st encounter Joe Rogan talked to Weidmans coach Danaher . 1st thing Danaher said was I didn`t like the way he didn`t check the kicks ...
FFWD to 2nd encounter . Silva starts cracking the low lick again . But this time Weidman is prepared .

I had waited for Anderson to to get his come uppence like all bullies . Sorry to see that injury though . Looked career ending at 39 years old .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Elmer Bud]

MMA hasn't been around long enough to see the long term damage of taking punches & kicks to the head. I'm pretty sure you will be seeing "punch drunk" MMA fighters in the future, and it's only a matter of time before someone gets killed by a blow to the temple in the octagon. A good example was Josh Barnett last night. He was knocked out by a knee, fell to his knees and was propped up by the other guy's knee, who proceeded to slam him in the temple with three elbows, any one of which could have been fatal, all because the referee didn't seem to notice that he was already knocked out by the knee, which the announcers didn't notice either, even after watching it a second time. I like to see a good fight, but I don't think it should be life or death. After all, it's supposed to be a "sport". Where's the sportsmanship in hitting an unconscious opponent?

G`day RG

Better go see an optometrist .
Josh Barnet was far from unconscious as he attempted a dbl leg take down against the cage . His muscles were flexing as he wrapped his arms around Travis Browne`s waist .
I just went back and replayed the video several times .
Barnet is actively trying to clasp his hands and complete the take down till the 2 nd elbow then his arm goes limp .

He does react to the knee . That in combination with the punch just before he shoots stuns him and he reacts but not KO .

No fault by the referee in this case . He responds immediately Barnet goes unconscious .


http://fightvideo.mma77.com/2013/12/barnett-vs-browne.html

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Spider Crab]

The video is wrong, RetroGrow is the authority.

 

[vapor]

At least anderson won the poll///

 

[RetroGrow]

They are told in the dressing room to protect themselves at all times and that the fight only stops when the ref pulls them off, the bell rings.

The ones who were unsportsmanlike were dealt with. They lost the biggest shots of their careers by doing so. One who should have been punished that wasnt was Hendo and he even admitted to knowingly trying to hurt Bisping after he knew he was out. It was disgraceful and I Was sure he was going to get suspended.

You can't defend yourself when you're unconscious. That's my point. Refs don't always jump in on time.
Hendo should have been suspended.
I'm hoping to see Lyoto Machida fight Weidman now that he's dropped to middleweight. He normally fights bigger guys, so I think that will be a good match.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Machida will get rocked against Weidman.

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day RG

I agree Henderson vs Bisping was wrong .

What I have seen a lot of in recent times is strikes to the ear / temple that take away the fighters equilibrium . They stagger and often fall over . But are far from unconscious .

That hook Barnet took to the back of his ear would have been the kind of strike I`m talking about . Similar when Weidman hit Anderson Silva in the ear / slightly behind in the clinch . Disabled but far from unconscious .

Interesting Weidman said at the presser he had practiced the technique thoroughly in training . Though of course never expected that out come .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Bababooey]

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The standing 8 count and the 3 knockdown rule are 2 of the most dangerous things about boxing and the reason why there are many more boxers dying and falling victim to brain damage than MMA fighters.

In MMA you get a flash KO, hit maybe 1-2 times and the fight is over. In boxing, you get a flash KO and maybe take 1 on the way down and hey, as long as you can get up again in 8 seconds, we will let you get hit another 10-20 times and fall down again and so on and so on. Its this prolonged head trauma that leads to so much long term damage.

MMA is much safer than boxing but its not "safe" by any means cause getting punched in the head for a living is not a recipe for a long, healthy life.

This.
The scientists studying CTE in football players are realizing that the majority of the damage is being caused not by the 1 or 2 big hits, but the combined effect of multiple smaller blows to the head. Also, continued blows to the head following a big hit/concussion are very detrimental; that's why NFL players have to go through concussion protocol before playing again.
MMA fighters aren't immune to CTE, because fighter training involves a lot of hitting, but it's probably a safer sport than boxing. It's more brutal, certainly, jumping on a downed opponent, but ironically it's probably safer for the loser. In MMA he gets TKO'd and has months to shake it off before fighting again. In boxing he can get back to his feet and 'shake it off' but then has to endure getting pummeled again for up to 12 rounds. That shows a warrior heart, unfortunately a warrior's brain is no more resistant to damage than anyone else's...

 

[Elmer Bud]

G`day BB

What we don`t see or hear about is concussions in the gym / training .
We often hear the phrase "oh his chin is gone after that last fight where he got KO`d "
Never have I heard "oh he`s not the same since he got KO`d in training " ...

Accumulation of injury through training could well be more damaging than a 15 min fight .

The NFL in the states is about to have to answer some very tough questions about brain injuries . With potentially crippling pay outs in a class action .

Thanks for sharin

EB .