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Cannabis Origina/DNA. Cali Elite OG Kush, Tahoe, SFV, Larry and their breeding

luk e bag

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Growing up in California I believe that og's have the specific terpenoids and cannabinoids to blow away any genetics I've ever seen in Amsterdam. Obviously cannabis breeding has to come from a limited amount of feral varieties that have high THC content; Mainly African/asian equatorial sativas, and India/Paki/Nepali/Afghani kush/indica strains that have been brought out in the past 50 years. Prior to that cannabis was used for 1000's of years but the strains were indigenous to specific regions and crossbreeding could not have occurred in the scale it has reached in today's horticulture. Since there has been little to no DNA sequencing of cannabis that I am aware of, I try to breed back to parental stock or find vastly different strains that display similar/identical growth patterns and make crosses that increase resin production, flavor and potency in the progeny. I consider my growing skills to be limited in comparison to many master growers elaborate commercial set-ups but I feel that we are close to reaching the pinnacle of cannabis potency by following these two methods: Backcrossing to create stable hybrids for breeding by finding heirloom strains that share a common ancestor; strains that have been dialed in to reach their maximum potential in different environments. Having the ability to recognize that two completely different strains may have been grown 1000's of miles apart and share a common ancestor is crucial to isolating and increasing the production of specific cannabinoids found in each strain and keeping genetic integrity intact. I want to know why I like what I like, where it came from, how to improve upon it and how to assure that specific genetics stay intact for future generations. As our science advances hopefully we'll truly learn the potential of cannabis usage; both positive and negative. Pardon my writing while drinking and possibly failing attempt to sound smart. I welcome all to contribute their knowledge, strains they like, why certain crosses should be made and whether or not they believe I'm on the right track or full of BS.
What I truly seek are people who have knowledge and pictures of some of the seeds I have recently acquired. I have been on an og kick since around 1999. I first saw an SFV in 1994/1995 and I got some of the first cuts of "SFV OG" and "Bubba" in 1999 from Granada Hills and Simi Valley. They were the best and nothing new exceeds them.
I've grown pretty much every og s1 or hybrid to hit the So Cal market. Tahoe, Larry, SFV, Skywalker, Poison, XXX, Ghost, Faceoff, Abusive, Old School, $100, King Louie, Mars, Jupiter, Earth, Holy Grail, Madman, Obama, Fire, and various crosses of the above. I also had the original bubba which blew away the pre-98, katsu, platinum, North Hollywood, twisted sister, bomb threat etc.
I've made a few crosses with clones that looked almost identical in structure but had very dissimilar flavor and high. SFV x King Louie, $100 OG (DRC) x Tahoe, Madman x Obama. I can make these crosses again but they will always be feminized and will therefore never reach their full potential. These are all so amazingly dank and I hold on to my 20-30 seeds of these crosses as part of my project. The few dispensaries that have popped seed and kept cuts have lame names for them "key lime og, hardcore og, wheelchair og, brain freeze og" etc etc.
So..I bought a bunch of seeds to play with recently: Sin City Seeds, Gage Green Genetics, Rare Dankness, Bodhi, DNA/Reserva Pravada. The list goes on. I'll post a list of what I have and if you have pheno pix before flip to 12/12 and bud pix after 50 days or so you could really help me to plan what I will cross with...and possibly get some free testers and a cannabis cup winning quality strain to play with if you pm me. For now. Sin City Seeds: Rappers Delight, Sourflame og, Galactic Jack, Sinfully Sour, True Power OG, Nightmare OG, Nightfire OG, Sins OG, Blue Power, Powernap, Petroleum Nightmare. I see a lot of progressive options cuts in there to BX to. I'm also thinking the Dr Cletus Sour Kush or Lemon Larry might go well with Sinfully Sour.
The list goes on Rare Dankness: Scotts Og, Lee Roy, Rugburn, Khyber Kush, 4 Corners and Vale Vale.
Humboldt Seeds: Lost Coast OG, Desert Diesel, Amherst Sour Diesel, Bubba Kush, Trainwreck and Green Crack. Hazeman: Blue Bubba. Cali Connect: Chem 4 og, Boss Hogg, Chem Valley Kush, Buddha Tahoe. Kens Estes: Bay 11, Bay Dream, Kens Kush. Gage Green Genetics GGG: 5 K puff, Good Ideas. Also weird freebies sourstar 5 x goji og and goji#5 x polardawg chem 3. If you have pix of any of these in veg and flower or know anything about cannabis botany that night help me. Please post pix. I've been around a while. I know the "ocean grown" story is bs. I recall the strain spoke of in that urban legend and the strain was called "magooey" back in 1995..it ruled Huntington and South County. The same grower (Larry) got an og around 2002 and that Ocean Grown story was made up sometime after. I know that SFV OG was the original followed shortly by tahoe but obviously they have some similar parents somewhere in their lineage and its not chemdawg; though I love skunk va, chem d and chem 4. Put your two cents..and hopefully pix in!
 

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shaggyballs

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Somebody has done their homework!!!

Save the Genetics!!!!.....Please.
They are scrambled and corrupt!

People come to me all the time , saying check out my poodle ...........and in comes a Labrador????
You get the jist!!!!

Names mean nothing anymore.

Terpenes have a large effect on our preferences!
Some seem to gravitate toward certain terpenes while others go for something completely different!!!

Good luck on your quest!
By the way My Personal Favorite is O G baby!
And I live in the Mitten.
Shag
 

Elmer Bud

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G`day LEB

I like your ideas .

Cpl of points .
The male for your Bx`s ? You will need a male that passes as few traits of its own . Other wise you may never find the pheno you seek in the following generations .

Why do you state that feminised crosses will not reach their potential ?
Check out Chimera`s catalogue . There are several reversed female crosses in his line up .

I recommend reading the Everybody a Breeder thread . Tom Hill shares some very interesting info and stats .
Though be prepared to have to work to find the relevant jewels .

Thanks for sharin

EB .
 

Sam_Skunkman

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Growing up in California I believe that og's have the specific terpenoids and cannabinoids to blow away any genetics I've ever seen in Amsterdam. Obviously cannabis breeding has to come from a limited amount of feral varieties that have high THC content;

"Feral means, Domesticated plants that revert to wild are usually referred to as escaped, introduced or naturalized rather than feral. However, the adaptive and ecological variables seen in plants that go wild closely resemble those of animals.
The Cannabis varieties used by breeders were not feral in almost all cases."
-SamS

Mainly African/asian equatorial sativas, and India/Paki/Nepali/Afghani kush/indica strains that have been brought out in the past 50 years. Prior to that cannabis was used for 1000's of years but the strains were indigenous to specific regions and crossbreeding could not have occurred in the scale it has reached in today's horticulture. Since there has been little to no DNA sequencing of cannabis that I am aware of,

"Are you sure? Look up Medical Genomics there have also been others."

I try to breed back to parental stock or find vastly different strains that display similar/identical growth patterns and make crosses that increase resin production, flavor and potency in the progeny. I consider my growing skills to be limited in comparison to many master growers elaborate commercial set-ups but I feel that we are close to reaching the pinnacle of cannabis potency by following these two methods: Backcrossing to create stable hybrids for breeding by finding heirloom strains that share a common ancestor; strains that have been dialed in to reach their maximum potential in different environments. Having the ability to recognize that two completely different strains may have been grown 1000's of miles apart and share a common ancestor is crucial to isolating and increasing the production of specific cannabinoids found in each strain and keeping genetic integrity intact.

"Most Western bred Cannabis only has THC, little to no other Cannabinoids."

I want to know why I like what I like, where it came from, how to improve upon it and how to assure that specific genetics stay intact for future generations. As our science advances hopefully we'll truly learn the potential of cannabis usage; both positive and negative. Pardon my writing while drinking and possibly failing attempt to sound smart. I welcome all to contribute their knowledge, strains they like, why certain crosses should be made and whether or not they believe I'm on the right track or full of BS.
What I truly seek are people who have knowledge and pictures of some of the seeds I have recently acquired. I have been on an og kick since around 1999. I first saw an SFV in 1994/1995 and I got some of the first cuts of "SFV OG" and "Bubba" in 1999 from Granada Hills and Simi Valley. They were the best and nothing new exceeds them.

"Is that for you or everyone?"

I've grown pretty much every og s1 or hybrid to hit the So Cal market. Tahoe, Larry, SFV, Skywalker, Poison, XXX, Ghost, Faceoff, Abusive, Old School, $100, King Louie, Mars, Jupiter, Earth, Holy Grail, Madman, Obama, Fire, and various crosses of the above. I also had the original bubba which blew away the pre-98, katsu, platinum, North Hollywood, twisted sister, bomb threat etc.
I've made a few crosses with clones that looked almost identical in structure but had very dissimilar flavor and high. SFV x King Louie, $100 OG (DRC) x Tahoe, Madman x Obama. I can make these crosses again but they will always be feminized and will therefore never reach their full potential.

"Why not?"

These are all so amazingly dank and I hold on to my 20-30 seeds of these crosses as part of my project. The few dispensaries that have popped seed and kept cuts have lame names for them "key lime og, hardcore og, wheelchair og, brain freeze og" etc etc.
So..I bought a bunch of seeds to play with recently: Sin City Seeds, Gage Green Genetics, Rare Dankness, Bodhi, DNA/Reserva Pravada. The list goes on. I'll post a list of what I have and if you have pheno pix before flip to 12/12 and bud pix after 50 days or so you could really help me to plan what I will cross with...and possibly get some free testers and a cannabis cup winning quality strain to play with if you pm me. For now. Sin City Seeds: Rappers Delight, Sourflame og, Galactic Jack, Sinfully Sour, True Power OG, Nightmare OG, Nightfire OG, Sins OG, Blue Power, Powernap, Petroleum Nightmare. I see a lot of progressive options cuts in there to BX to. I'm also thinking the Dr Cletus Sour Kush or Lemon Larry might go well with Sinfully Sour.
The list goes on Rare Dankness: Scotts Og, Lee Roy, Rugburn, Khyber Kush, 4 Corners and Vale Vale.
Humboldt Seeds: Lost Coast OG, Desert Diesel, Amherst Sour Diesel, Bubba Kush, Trainwreck and Green Crack. Hazeman: Blue Bubba. Cali Connect: Chem 4 og, Boss Hogg, Chem Valley Kush, Buddha Tahoe. Kens Estes: Bay 11, Bay Dream, Kens Kush. Gage Green Genetics GGG: 5 K puff, Good Ideas. Also weird freebies sourstar 5 x goji og and goji#5 x polardawg chem 3. If you have pix of any of these in veg and flower or know anything about cannabis botany that night help me. Please post pix. I've been around a while. I know the "ocean grown" story is bs. I recall the strain spoke of in that urban legend and the strain was called "magooey" back in 1995..it ruled Huntington and South County. The same grower (Larry) got an og around 2002 and that Ocean Grown story was made up sometime after. I know that SFV OG was the original followed shortly by tahoe but obviously they have some similar parents somewhere in their lineage and its not chemdawg; though I love skunk va, chem d and chem 4. Put your two cents..and hopefully pix in!

PS. All the breeders here in Amsterdam have the same access to OG strains as anyone in California, it is just a few hours away...
-SamS
 

luk e bag

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PS. All the breeders here in Amsterdam have the same access to OG strains as anyone in California, it is just a few hours away...
-SamS
I'd have to say they don't have the same access to og's in Amsterdam or the quality at coffee shops and the Cups would be much better. There is access to all the seeds I mentioned but DNA/Reserva Pravada seem to be the main Amsterdam breeder of og's and their og 18 and kosher pale in comparison to a clone only tahoe, sfv or larry...and about 30 or so s1 and f1 hybrids of these clones. Granted they probably started with an s1 seed of something impressive (From the US!) but if you are in Amsterdam and you've been in California or Colorado to try what is available in the dispensaries then you have to see the difference. I still grabbed a few of their seeds (Dna) but I don't think you should be forced to use dutch master reverse on fem'd seeds lol. I think American genetics are downplayed by High Times which has a problem with American Breeders since they (High Times) aim to support Amsterdam tourism. I went to HTCC LA 2012 when Kosher Kush and Yoda OG won...spoke to Nico and Danny of High Times. I wanted to enter a couple of my strains which blew the winners away in every facet and was denied entry because my genetic pool was ineligible or something along those lines. I give credit where its due. DRC $100 OG s1 x Cali Connect Chem Valley Kush, SFV OG (PRE Swerve) X DRC King Louie s1 were my "entries" then and would've won by a landslide if the criteria were raw cannabinoids/potency, aroma and bag appeal. I tried to enter in HTCC LA 2013 San Bernardino this year anonymously through a different dispensary and my strains didn't win but strains from Buds and Roses that were straight mid grade won. The winners were around 18% total cannabinoids, mine were at 27% & 28% and a partners Adubb was at 34% total cannabinoids. This testing is confirmed through SC Labs if you have any doubts.
HTCC strongest strain ever was GTH#1 and I had Kushmans best flowers from that grow...barely got me High. Rare Dankness grew that, and they're an American company originally, but it had Nevilles genetics in it..it would be funny for that strain to win when their Rugburn, Scotts, Leeroy, Docs and Four Corners are so much more potent, beautiful and aromatic than the GTH. Im just hoping to see pics of the seeds I've acquired. Thanks for your input, you are definitely right that genetics are worldwide but for now the quality is here over the Netherlands.
 

Sam_Skunkman

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I'd have to say they don't have the same access to og's in Amsterdam or the quality at coffee shops and the Cups would be much better. There is access to all the seeds I mentioned but DNA/Reserva Pravada seem to be the main Amsterdam breeder of og's and their og 18 and kosher pale in comparison to a clone only tahoe, sfv or larry...and about 30 or so s1 and f1 hybrids of these clones. Granted they probably started with an s1 seed of something impressive (From the US!) but if you are in Amsterdam and you've been in California or Colorado to try what is available in the dispensaries then you have to see the difference. I still grabbed a few of their seeds (Dna) but I don't think you should be forced to use dutch master reverse on fem'd seeds lol. I think American genetics are downplayed by High Times which has a problem with American Breeders since they (High Times) aim to support Amsterdam tourism. I went to HTCC LA 2012 when Kosher Kush and Yoda OG won...spoke to Nico and Danny of High Times. I wanted to enter a couple of my strains which blew the winners away in every facet and was denied entry because my genetic pool was ineligible or something along those lines. I give credit where its due. DRC $100 OG s1 x Cali Connect Chem Valley Kush, SFV OG (PRE Swerve) X DRC King Louie s1 were my "entries" then and would've won by a landslide if the criteria were raw cannabinoids/potency, aroma and bag appeal. I tried to enter in HTCC LA 2013 San Bernardino this year anonymously through a different dispensary and my strains didn't win but strains from Buds and Roses that were straight mid grade won. The winners were around 18% total cannabinoids, mine were at 27% & 28% and a partners Adubb was at 34% total cannabinoids. This testing is confirmed through SC Labs if you have any doubts.
HTCC strongest strain ever was GTH#1 and I had Kushmans best flowers from that grow...barely got me High. Rare Dankness grew that, and they're an American company originally, but it had Nevilles genetics in it..it would be funny for that strain to win when their Rugburn, Scotts, Leeroy, Docs and Four Corners are so much more potent, beautiful and aromatic than the GTH. Im just hoping to see pics of the seeds I've acquired. Thanks for your input, you are definitely right that genetics are worldwide but for now the quality is here over the Netherlands.

Again I say is that for you or everyone?
I have been smoking for 50 years and growing for 49. I can not stand OG's they gag me with the taste and I do not like the effects at all. Just because you think they are the bomb does not mean everyone likes them. Do you like SATIVA's? Many people seem to prefer them, why is that? Do you know?
How many different varieties have you grown? Any idea? Unless you have grown a hell of a lot, how did you decide the OG's are the tops? FYI, Most of the clones you mention are over here also, you have no idea how fast they show up here, kinda like how fast seeds or clones from here show up in California.
I am from California I grew there for 20 years before coming over here, I know California pretty well.
I do not go to dispensaries in California, or coffee shops here, first I do not smoke much herbal Cannabis anymore, I only smoke dry sift resin that I make, 99.9% pure resin heads. I prefer it over water sifted or BHO extracts, or any other smoke.
I have attended every single of the Amsterdam HT Cannabis Cups, all 26. Hell, I won the first one with Skunk #1, and then stopped entering after the 2nd one. It was a story about me attending and winning Cannabis Harvest Festivals in the 70's in California that I told Steve Hager from HT, that got the first HTCC going in Amsterdam.
I do not understand what you mean by, "but I don't think you should be forced to use dutch master reverse on fem'd seeds lol."
If you think High Times is promoting Amsterdam breeders, over American breeders, you are mistaken.
Then to say:
"I wanted to enter a couple of my strains which blew the winners away in every facet and was denied entry because my genetic pool was ineligible or something along those lines."
The contest is open to Coffee shops and Seed companies in Amsterdam and has never been closed to entries in any Cup Contest.
They really do want the best to be entered.
I do not know the rules for the LA HT Cup in 2012, do you sell to a Dispensary or are you a Seed Company? Maybe that is the reason?
When you say s1 do you really mean the same clone selfed to its self?

You say:
"I tried to enter in HTCC LA 2013 San Bernardino this year anonymously through a different dispensary and my strains didn't win. The winners were around 18% total cannabinoids, mine were at 27% & 28% and a partners Adubb was at 34% total cannabinoids."

I think you know the total Cannabinoids means very little, it is the THC plus the terpenes plus looks that make winners. Adubb was 34% Cannabinoids? Which Cannabinoids? I have never seen an analysis that had more then 29% THC and I have been running my own HPLC and GC Lab for a decade longer then any analysis Lab service in California. For several years I ran all the HTCC entries with my GC, few of the highest in THC ever won.
I have never smoked GTH #1 but it has Haze bloodlines that I grew in Santa Cruz California and gave Nevil and he used them in "his" Haze lines. They are not his Haze anymore then all the people who make and sell Skunk #1 seeds, created Skunk#1.

Here are a few links to Cannabis DNA work done several years ago, a lot easier to find then really great Cannabis, I'd say.
DNA Cannabis work:
http://www.acgtinc.com/marijuana_genotyping.htm

http://www.medicinalgenomics.com/

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111020025752.htm

http://genomebiology.com/2011/12/10/r102

http://genome.ccbr.utoronto.ca/cgi-bin/hgGateway

-SamS
 
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Hash Zeppelin

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I agree with sam. Now he has been growing longer than I have been alive, but I have 14 years under my belt, and I have seen a good amount of variety. I live in cali, and I lived in Tahoe for three years. I always chose to grow other strains over tahoe og.

You may have had a lot of weed, but I dont think you have tried good Hawaiian or Thai, and if anybody wants to send me some I would be super grateful. :D

Give the landraces from those places to a skilled grower and you will get stuff better than OG in my opinion. Grow an ibl thai or Hawaiian and you have the finest herb on the planet IMHO.

I have one OG variety and one G.S. cookies variety in my place and they will not be grown again. Oh and one cookies crossed with og. they grow like shit compared to strains I think are better.

I like Neville's Haze Way more than any OG or Bubba. As for indica I prefer my own strains too, even though they are related to bubba. OG strains to me, are not that great. It's not bad. It is potent. I just prefer fruit or spicy.

I would also STILL grow Sam's roadkill style skunks if they didnt piss off my neighbor

I am growing a dispensary strain right now too, Atomic NL. I chose it because it is a new cross of old genetics. I like it better than OG.

I think that bubba is more potent than OG, and bubba's sister, LVPK is more potent. LVPK will make you forget where you are. I have done side by comparisons.

Oh and I smoke an eighth a day, and hash and oils on top of that. I'm no slouch in the tolerance department. Just in the spelling department. you should have seen how many times I had to use spell check. lol

:D

p.s. I use spaces because it makes it easier to read.
 

Storm Shadow

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Old School Super Silver Haze can slice through any OG high and last for hours longer....

Not to mention the flavors from OG don't soak the palate enough .... the flavor is gone as fast as the high....


I'm from SoCal born and raised....I used to get better weed from Canada pre Sept 11-01 then almost anything I see on the Top Shelf of most Collectives

All the White Boys from Orange County/Long Beach brought so much dank down from Canada it aint even funny.... with all the gear Marc Emery sold out there.. we were getting exotic dank that just blew this current trend away...

WTF happened to all the real weed
 

Hash Zeppelin

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^I LOVE old school SSH. love it. i bet sam is laughing. "ssh..... old school? pfff." :D
 
I've been token for 48 years. growing for 35. From so cali. The best I have ever had is nothing new .It's the "Chocolate Thai stick" around 1968-74, The "Red Bud Colombian" (fire engine red small buds) Taste out of this world and last for hours easy (actually the best pot I ever smoked). And the Acapulco gold (serous stuff) lay down for a while. Pueta vallarta (spelling)...Oaxaca, (Bats with huge black seeds) and many others ...IMHO most of these are better than anything out there today all things considered.I have been growing a special cut of SSH (spice and tropical fruit)at least 15 years or more. When I stop putting it in the flower room everyone gets pissed..hehe, so I always have some places for it from now on (I love it ) it's like "green prozak" . Started getting imported seed from Neville when no one knew anything about him (Cannabis castle days) was one of the very first to put out the orig northern lights that I sent him a letter requesting his strain (very sketchy in those days if you would get anything back).
 

pappy masonjar

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You may have had a lot of weed, but I dont think you have tried good Hawaiian or Thai... :D

Give the landraces from those places to a skilled grower and you will get stuff better than OG in my opinion. Grow an ibl thai or Hawaiian and you have the finest herb on the planet IMHO.
...

Old School Super Silver Haze can slice through any OG high and last for hours longer....
....

I think you guys may have missed Sams point. I think he was trying to say that nobody can say that one strain is the "best". Its personal preference. Everybodys perosnal tastes are different and everybody's brain chemistry is different. So everybody is gonna like different highs.
Its pretty stupid imo to ask or say one strain is the best, thats like saying, "pizza is the best food in the world"...


Sam- Dry sift huh. I know Don from DNA smoke strictly Dry sift.
Maybe ill make a big batch soon:tiphat:
 

Hash Zeppelin

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IMHO means "in my honest opinion" meaning it is opinion, meaning it is subjective. lol
 

pappy masonjar

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i musta missed that part.
Sorry:smoke::tiphat:

Looks like i missed your guys' point. :biggrin: derrr :wave:
Im retarded like that occasionally.

Sorry bout that again. Wasnt trying to be a dick. I just misunderstood.
Pretty ironic.

I see now that both of you guys were actually agreeing with sams point by saying how in your guys' opinion's, OG isnt the best.
Im not sure how i misunderstood that, looking at it now.
 
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IMHO

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In,My,Humble.Opinion,..Works too..lol

Kids now days just want to get knocked off there feet and IMHO don't understand what a quality high/stone really is. Calming psychotropic, interesting, happy feeling..is my preferred. Not drooling, ,or pass out, or racy, or paranoid. It's actually kinna sad. But to each his own.
 

jahzz

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Kids now days just want to get knocked off there feet and IMHO don't understand what a quality high/stone really is. Calming psychotropic, interesting, happy feeling..is my preferred. Not drooling, ,or pass out, or racy, or paranoid. It's actually kinna sad. But to each his own.

Thanks for the point. That's what I see lately a lot too...I guess some people just need to get wasted, similarly with alcohol...I never liked stronger strains, always felt like the lighter sativas would make my days right. Other stinky indicas just make you bug out all the time. Not sure what kind of science and chemistry stands behind that, but one thing that gave me very happy power high was gold of acapulco...which I came across only once. Not even sure if it was real or not, just smelled very tasty and light. Just wanted to jump into the forum, some great reads and comments. :woohoo:
 

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I'm sure man has tended cannabis growing in nature, for a very long time. Outdoors selection is very difficult. People didn't have the tools to dig up plants and move them. Having containers, indoor grow spaces, cloning, all help selection.

OG isn't much of a fav for me. I like northern lights for being simple, same with afghani. Truth is anything with afghani. I can be high for months smoking a power sativa. Just don't think I need to be that high for that long. Weed is good to bring me down. afghani brings me down, northern lights just high enough. I liked bubba too, found it was good for socializing. Bubba would get me into trouble for a main staple. Talking to myself about interest would be destablizing.

I don't even know what og really is. I tend to believe it's old paki, lemon thai and chem. Some say it's just a chem s1. I can blow my own mind, a weed isn't what I look to for raw power. I like mellow
 

Hash Zeppelin

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In,My,Humble.Opinion,..Works too..lol

Kids now days just want to get knocked off there feet and IMHO don't understand what a quality high/stone really is. Calming psychotropic, interesting, happy feeling..is my preferred. Not drooling, ,or pass out, or racy, or paranoid. It's actually kinna sad. But to each his own.

It really bothers me that there is a not a large market for pure sativa in the USA. I think we have reached a tipping point though in legality that it might actually be economical now for out door growers to grow these ladies out in bulk. I think if people had the opportunity to try them more things would change slowly.

One of the biggest problems out there though is plain stupidity about what makes quality. Time after time I hear occasional smokers talk down about sativa because it has fox tails. The shape of the bud scares the shit out of them. They judge it with out even trying. They are so fucking stupid that they think weed is better just because it is dense rock hard nugs. I can brick stuff up and they think it is better because it got crushed into a denser form.

I have tried to educate these people too. they refuse to learn. Hence why they are stupid and not just ignorant. The information is there and they chose not to learn.

I get complaints like, "this makes me feel electric and high. Where is the stuff that knocks me out. It is only good if it knocks you out. "

I want to yell at the people sometimes.
"WELL MAYBE THAT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKING DUMB, LAZY, ASS HOLES. SMOKE A JOINT TAKE A WALK. GET OFF YOUR FUCKING COUCH. GO ENJOY NATURE AFTER SATIVA. SEE THE SUN OR SOMETHING. SORRY IF INCREDIBLY TRIPPY SATIVA DOESN'T ENHANCE YOUR SHITTY VIDEO GAME."

lol. :D
 
Yup

Yup

It really bothers me that there is a not a large market for pure sativa in the USA. I think we have reached a tipping point though in legality that it might actually be economical now for out door growers to grow these ladies out in bulk. I think if people had the opportunity to try them more things would change slowly.

One of the biggest problems out there though is plain stupidity about what makes quality. Time after time I hear occasional smokers talk down about sativa because it has fox tails. The shape of the bud scares the shit out of them. They judge it with out even trying. They are so fucking stupid that they think weed is better just because it is dense rock hard nugs. I can brick stuff up and they think it is better because it got crushed into a denser form.

I have tried to educate these people too. they refuse to learn. Hence why they are stupid and not just ignorant. The information is there and they chose not to learn.

I get complaints like, "this makes me feel electric and high. Where is the stuff that knocks me out. It is only good if it knocks you out. "

I want to yell at the people sometimes.
"WELL MAYBE THAT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKING DUMB, LAZY, ASS HOLES. SMOKE A JOINT TAKE A WALK. GET OFF YOUR FUCKING COUCH. GO ENJOY NATURE AFTER SATIVA. SEE THE SUN OR SOMETHING. SORRY IF INCREDIBLY TRIPPY SATIVA DOESN'T ENHANCE YOUR SHITTY VIDEO GAME."

lol. :D


Yup, all excellent points.:tiphat:
 
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