Most potent strains

[bigherb]

If it were a hybrid, I coudn't trace the seed source. The clone has been around in my circle for 15-20 years.

chemdawg lineage = g13 lineage

How can you say you have "it" if you don't know where "it" came from or what "it" really is.

I agree that would sum it up in short .

I never had much interest for G13 an her history ,There are long debates here an elsewhere about her origins .I believe/IMO she has nothing to do with government creation many have said they have crap infact Mel Frank speaks on this in an interview .

If i recall correct Sams spoke on it an dismissed the story


Discorilla

Im curious to see dried pics an a smoke report if possible

IMO an i cant say experience except in hybrid of Ghash an Fugu Kush .That pic in no way resembles G13 ,Infact i think it has the skinniest leaf ive ever seen on a reported G13 plant

G13 is reportedly atleast 25 yrs old /Still alive today / an the Airborne an pacific cuts are said to be hybrids of Nevils G13/NL if i recall


1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

Sams

Always great to have your input

As i mentioned i thought of you earlier when G13 convo came up an Mel Franks interview came to my mind .I recall you said Original Haze was the strongest home Grown an Thai was the strongest import some years back .If i recall correct you might have given your opinion on Indica aswell (Afghani#1) maybe.

Considering the new THC Analysis trend an the Chem hybrids being reported to be some of the worlds strongest strains .Has your mind changed on what strain is most potent?

NO, I do not like the taste of Chem hybrids in general. But to be honest I have not tried a lot because I do not smoke herbal Cannabis much anymore. I do not like Indica/Sativa. or rather WLD/NLD hybrids in general, although they may well be better then a pure Indica WLD variety.

I introduced DURBAN as Durban Poison in California in the mid to late 70's, it was at the time my earliest SATIVA, now correctly known as a NLD Indica. It reeked of anise was early as hell, could be grown outdoors in the Netherlands at the 53+ latitude in a good year. Who really loved it were outdoor growers in Canada. Colorado should be easy.
-Sams

I referenced this interview in my last post ,are you familiar with it ?

Mel is clearly talking about you an says he gave you the DP .Any Thoughts ?

Yes, he did give me the seeds I used to create Durban Poison he got them from another person I also know who got them at a coffee shop in Amsterdam. The seeds were super hermi, I had to grow lots and select them for 3-4 years before they could be released, almost hermi free.
-SamS

Terpenes can make the THC seem stronger, clearer, speedier, more cerebral, more up, psychedelic to the max. Or different terpenes can make the THC stronger, narcotic, physical, couch lock. So if you want specific effects then you want the specific terpenes that do that. The right ones do, the wrong ones don't. What you want is up to you.
-SamS

Soo it seems very possible as some have reported ,lower THC varieties can be more potent because of Terpenes .


1luvbigherb

 

[Dr. Purpur]

I mix buds to take advantage of this. I like a high THC content with alot of Lemon/ Pine/and Insence/earthy terps. It puts me where I want to be.

 

[Tonygreen]

I agree doc smokin some sssdh on top of some casey bub right now, WrEcKeD

 

[Cannavore]

The right pheno of sage is really strong too, to continue on with strains with non chem lineage. Presumably with some affie present in the mix because it knocks lightweights right the hell out. Dense dready sativa buds that have a sweaty diesel spice smell.

 

[JetLife175]

im a fan of strains that are heavy in mycrene and or limonene. terps play a pivotal role in how the high is.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Sams

Always great to have your input

As i mentioned i thought of you earlier when G13 convo came up an Mel Franks interview came to my mind .I recall you said Original Haze was the strongest home Grown an Thai was the strongest import some years back .If i recall correct you might have given your opinion on Indica aswell (Afghani#1) maybe.

Considering the new THC Analysis trend an the Chem hybrids being reported to be some of the worlds strongest strains .Has your mind changed on what strain is most potent?

NO, I DO NOT LIKE THE TASTE OF CHEM HYBRIDS IN GENERAL. But to be honest I have not tried a lot because I do not smoke herbal Cannabis much anymore. I do not like Indica/Sativa. or rather WLD/NLD hybrids in general, although they may well be better then a pure Indica WLD variety.
-SamS



I referenced this interview in my last post ,are you familiar with it ?

Mel is clearly talking about you an says he gave you the DP .Any Thoughts ?

YES, HE DID GIVE ME THE SEEDS I USED TO CREATE Durban Poison he got them from another person I also know, who got them at a coffee shop in Amsterdam. The seeds were super hermi, I had to grow lots and select them for 3-4 years before they could be released, almost hermi free.
-SamS



Soo it seems very possible as some have reported ,lower THC varieties can be more potent because of Terpenes .


1luvbigherb

-SamS

 

[pappy masonjar]

WLD? NLD?

Im somewhat familiar with Karl Hillig's study and findings. That most "sativas" are actually indicas.
But im not familar with these terms you used.

 

[Mel Frank]

Hey Mel, if you were the real Mel Frank you'd know the answer to that question.
I'd say cross it with a real good thoroughbred, Oaxacan.

To me the strain is like the stuff that came out of Durango in the mid 70's more than Oaxacan, but prolly no seed source for that now. Mel is just a nick I picked because I love the guys work. I should have used my real name like everyone else does here.

 

[RandyCalifornia]

I should have used my real name like everyone else does here.

Das cool bro, I ain't really RC either. he's dead.

 

[Mel Frank]

Das cool bro, I ain't really RC either. he's dead.

Yeah that was a shame the way he passed. Jimi thought very highly of his ability and so do I.

 

[Nadicus_Maximus]

Yeah that was a shame the way he passed. Jimi thought very highly of his ability and so do I.

Randy California died a hero's death...rescuing his son from a riptide in Hawaii. He managed to push the kid to safety before he was dragged under. No shame in that bro, but I hear what you meant to say...it IS a shame that he is gone.

 

[stickshift]

WLD? NLD?

Im somewhat familiar with Karl Hillig's study and findings. That most "sativas" are actually indicas.
But im not familar with these terms you used.

Here is a summary/conclusion.

Small and Cronquist (1976) assumed that the sativa and indica taxa diverged primarily as a result of human selection for fiber and/or seed production on the one hand and for high THC production on the other. However, the present investigation does not support this hypothesis. The high frequency of BT in the feral biotype of C. indica suggests that this allele may have been present at high frequency in the C. indica gene pool prior to domestication. Human selection of plants carrying two copies of the BT allele appears only to be of appreciable significance in the domestication of the NLD biotype. Human selection may have resulted in an increase in the quantitative levels of cannabinoids produced by the WLD biotype, but the average amount of CBD + THC produced by the NLD biotype did not significantly differ from the hemp and feral biotypes of C. indica. In fact, the average amount of THC + CBD produced by the NLD accessions was not significantly greater than the average amount of these two cannabinoids produced by the hemp accessions of C. sativa. Small and Beckstead (1973b) also reported comparable levels of total cannabinoids in their "psychotomimetic" and "non-psychotomimetic" strains. Plants with enhanced levels of THCV were uncommon in most drug accessions, except those from southern Africa and an accession from Afghanistan. This suggests that humans may have selected against this trait in cultivated drug strains.

In contrast with the NLD biotype, the WLD biotype did not have a significantly higher frequency of BT than the hemp and feral biotypes of C. indica. This may be explained by the different products obtained from the two drug biotypes of C. indica. NLD strains are usually cultivated for the production of marijuana (pistillate inflorescences), and it is the product of a single plant that is utilized. WLD strains are traditionally cultivated for the production of hashish (detached glandular trichomes), which is the combined product of many plants. A marijuana plant with two CD alleles (chemotype III) would be ineffectual for its intended use, whereas hashish made from a population of chemotype I, II, and III individuals typically contains more THC than CBD and depending on the proportions of the different chemotypes is more or less psychoactive (Ek et al., 1972 ; Clarke, 1998 ). Thus, human selection is expected to favor chemotype I plants as seed sources for marijuana cultivation, whereas the chemotypes of individual plants cultivated for hashish production are usually unknown to the cultivator (Clarke and Watson, 2002 ).

The presence of allele BT in the C. sativa gene pool suggests that introgression from C. indica might have played a role in the evolution of C. sativa. Wind-blown pollen may have contributed to allele migration between the two gene pools (Cabezudo et al., 1997 ). Relatively high BT frequencies (range 0.38–0.55) were detected in seven hemp accessions from Turkey, Spain, Italy, former Yugoslavia, and southern Russia, which are assignable to the southern eco-geographical group of C. sativa (Davidyan, 1972 ). Additional allozyme markers and morphological traits typical of C. indica were also observed in the southern group of C. sativa (Hillig, 2004 , in press). Cannabis indica may have been introduced into Asia Minor for the purpose of hashish production and hybridized with C. sativa. Davidian (1972) cited evidence that Cannabis was introduced into Europe by both a northern and a southern route. Introgressed stock may have spread into new areas through trade or human migration (Heiser, 1973 ).

The patterns of cannabinoid variation provide evidence of progenitor-derivative relationships. The low frequency of BT and the low levels of propyl cannabinoids in accessions assigned to C. ruderalis suggest that this putative taxon could be the progenitor of C. sativa, but not of C. indica. The feral biotype of C. sativa may be comprised of "escaped" populations of cultivated C. sativa that have merged with naturalized populations of C. ruderalis (Vavilov, 1926 ). The wide range of cannabinoid variation within feral accessions of C. indica suggests that this biotype could be the progenitor of the cultivated biotypes of C. indica. The high incidence of plants in this taxon with enhanced levels of propyl cannabinoids suggests that it is not the progenitor of C. sativa, in which plants with enhanced levels of propyl cannabinoids are much less common. It is unlikely that the feral biotype of C. indica represents an escape of NLD strains from cultivation because the NLD biotype is lacking in cannabinoid variation. The high frequency of BT in the hemp biotype of C. indica suggests the possibility that one or both drug biotypes could have been secondarily derived from this taxon's gene pool. More feral and cultivated populations of C. indica and C. sativa will have to be studied to further resolve these issues.

This study of cannabinoid variation supports a two-species concept for Cannabis. A taxonomic revision that applies valid scientific names to the biotypes of C. indica recognized herein is supported by the chemotaxonomic data.

http://www.amjbot.org/content/91/6/966.full.pdf+html

 

[Mel Frank]

Randy California died a hero's death...rescuing his son from a riptide in Hawaii. He managed to push the kid to safety before he was dragged under. No shame in that bro, but I hear what you meant to say...it IS a shame that he is gone.

Yes Randy was a hero. I was on Maui when that happened and many people were grieving. In the seventies there was some weed called Elephant Ear on Oahu said to had come from Southeast Asia it looked indica when growing, but everyone said it was a sativa. Very sticky, powerful zingy up buzz. Anyone heard of it and know what it was?

 

[Stash]

Mel Frank, I know that name from a long time ago, but from where. Mel is someone very famous but what for? I should know this. Are you really Mel Frank or are using this name as your pin name, if it's OK to ask?

 

[Mel Frank]

Mel Frank, I know that name from a long time ago, but from where. Mel is someone very famous but what for? I should know this. Are you really Mel Frank or are using this name as your pin name, if it's OK to ask?

Just a nick. The real Mel was one of the first pot growing book writers and photographers in the 70's. All pot smokers owe him for his work.

 

[Stash]

Thanks, Mel

 

[RoadRash]

Actually, a whole bunch of the pics in the classic threads like "Frostiest", "San Diego's Finest", etc. ... they all look like one hit would do it.

They look most potent !

 

[bioguy]

btw that hightimes list is bullshit. you cant do a top 10 or top 20 strains etc when theres thousands of strains in existence. no one has smoked enough around the world to make a list like that.

Yeap, that is part of the point. They call Chem Dawg the strongest line based on their awards/experience/tests but I think its unfair/inaccurate/odd for a long list of reasons.

I have also been waiting for someone to point out that HT is not exactly known for unbiased lists.

 

[bioguy]

I think if you wanna try your hand at breeding and you're limited to what you can do/have, it's my beliefs that strains with a higher percentage of keeper/potent females (whether poly hybrid or not) in the genepool should produce equally or just as many keeper/potent males ...seems logical to me, but again that's just my beliefs!

Sounds logical to me too thanks.

double serrated leaf blades

Is that a trait known to effect potency or just something you like to look for?