**Experienced Floranova Users**

[Em_J]

Great answers guys. In central coast california what kind of water can be expected? I know my brother has been using tap for his grows with no issues in northern california.

I may just buy those 5 gallon jugs of water to water the girls if its good enough and worth the money for the first grow. How much water is typically used for each plant per week in a Hempy Bucket?

 

[BigGreen]

Mine are in 3 gallon pots and they get watered about 3/4 of a gallon each time every 3 days so about 1 1/2 gallons a week per plant.

 

[Em_J]

Mine are in 3 gallon pots and they get watered about 3/4 of a gallon each time every 3 days so about 1 1/2 gallons a week per plant.

Thanks, Math time now

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I may just buy those 5 gallon jugs of water to water the girls if its good enough and worth the money for the first grow.

Get a couple of the 5gal jugs and then make sure to fill them at a water store or RO vending machine. (Glaciar machines are the best in Nevada and So-Cal)

I've watched people pay for the big 2.5 gal containers consistently. It's cheaper (and easier to find pure RO) from the machines or a water store.

 

[socbutter]

THANK YOU

THANK YOU

the folks who are saying that fn is made for tap water have reached that conclusion erroneously as they have probably experienced magnesium deficiency. there is plenty of magnesium in fn but the plants don't take it up well at ph levels below around 5.9. let your ph run over 5.9 up to 6.3 or so before correcting back down to 5.6 or a little below. ph drift is really good for the girls as it allows the plants to utilize the entire nutrient package.

fn is formulated to work not only in ro or distilled water, but tap water with tds up to 200 ppm @ the .5 conversion. personally, i think anything over 150 ppm is in the danger zone because everyone's tap water is different. two sites, both showing 150 ppm on the meter can have large differences in the amount of calcium contained. one site will be ok to use tap water while the other won't. several years ago i moved to a rural water district from a suburban one. my tap water at my old house was usually around 120 ppm. when i set up in my new house i began seeing yellowing on lower leaves within a week. before moving i checked the tap water in my new house, it was around 160 ppm. however, a week later it was 240 ppm, and i have had readings as high as 350 ppm. so, for me, the only solution was to buy an ro filter. now my tds is 4 ppm and ph starts at 6.7. you get a known starting point every time. if you can't afford a filter distilled water is available at wally's for about 70 cents a gal. also, each store usually has a ro filtered water dispenser where you can fill your own containers for around 35 cents.

the first thing to do is to check your tap water. if it is below 200 ppm try it and see. it might be ok. you'll find out in about a week.

lastly, the brita and it's peers won't filter out most dissolved solids. it is good with chlorides, flourides, and some toxins. but, if your water is too hard it won't help you grow. later, delta9nxs

Thank you I did not know Wal-Mart had RO dispensers.

 

[afgooey]

only becuz i didnt see you mention it make sure your using grow in veg and bllom in flower and bring them up 400 during this stage

 

[onegreenday]

the folks who are saying that fn is made for tap water have reached that conclusion erroneously as they have probably experienced magnesium deficiency. there is plenty of magnesium in fn but the plants don't take it up well at ph levels below around 5.9. let your ph run over 5.9 up to 6.3 or so before correcting back down to 5.6 or a little below. ph drift is really good for the girls as it allows the plants to utilize the entire nutrient package.

fn is formulated to work not only in ro or distilled water, but tap water with tds up to 200 ppm @ the .5 conversion. personally, i think anything over 150 ppm is in the danger zone because everyone's tap water is different. two sites, both showing 150 ppm on the meter can have large differences in the amount of calcium contained. one site will be ok to use tap water while the other won't. several years ago i moved to a rural water district from a suburban one. my tap water at my old house was usually around 120 ppm. when i set up in my new house i began seeing yellowing on lower leaves within a week. before moving i checked the tap water in my new house, it was around 160 ppm. however, a week later it was 240 ppm, and i have had readings as high as 350 ppm. so, for me, the only solution was to buy an ro filter. now my tds is 4 ppm and ph starts at 6.7. you get a known starting point every time. if you can't afford a filter distilled water is available at wally's for about 70 cents a gal. also, each store usually has a ro filtered water dispenser where you can fill your own containers for around 35 cents.

the first thing to do is to check your tap water. if it is below 200 ppm try it and see. it might be ok. you'll find out in about a week.

lastly, the brita and it's peers won't filter out most dissolved solids. it is good with chlorides, flourides, and some toxins. but, if your water is too hard it won't help you grow. later, delta9nxs

very good info. I have a double cartridge filter and it does not reduce the TDS at all. Takes out chlorine, lead, chems but not TDS.
RO is needed to take out TDS.

There must be a decent water test company where you can send a water sample and not kill us on the price.

Does anybody know a cheap water test company? thanks.

I'm using the FN-grow in a 5gal bubble bucket at 1230 PPM TDS (.5 conv) at 6.2Ph
and they are growing ok with decent color under 400 CMH
my city water is about 160ppm TDS and 7.2 Ph but I might
go the RO method for consistency in water supply.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Does anybody know a cheap water test company? thanks.

I'm using the FN-grow in a 5gal bubble bucket at 1230 PPM TDS (.5 conv) at 6.2Ph
and they are growing ok with decent color under 400 CMH
my city water is about 160ppm TDS and 7.2 Ph but I might
go the RO method for consistency in water supply.

There used to be a link for an online company that had a $30 water test. Not sure what it checked for as I never used it.

This company has a slightly more expensive test for $125 that "might" be what you want but I'm not sure.

You may find better success with that bucket by dropping your pH to 5.4 to start with. I wouldn't go all the way to 5.2 as the pH drop will get in your way without a float valve topping off the bucket.
If you're manually topping off, the pH will hit 5.2 or close to it, before you re-fill.
Since you're in veg there's no reason at all for 6.2 pH, it's not as comfortable for them.

 

[onegreenday]

thanks Hydro. I think my state agriculture dept has a water and/or fertilizer test
for pretty cheap. I gotta check on that.
I'll try your Ph suggestion and see if they perk up.
What Ph do you run in flower? Thanks.

 

[socbutter]

THANK YOU

THANK YOU

Wal-Mart in my area no longer has a RO refill vending machine, but PUBLIX supermarket has a GLACIER RO refill machine. One gallon @ $.35 and Five gallons @ $1.25. That's cheaper than distilled @ $.76 per gallon.

Thanks for the lead!

 

[BigGreen]

Hey onegreenday try bringing you ppm way down. Thats really high for dwc.

 

[onegreenday]

thanks. I did drop it to around 750ppm & 5.8ph
I think they liked it right away.

 

[BigGreen]

Thats a start give it 2 days you should see some good growth.

 

[fredcdobbs]

good thread fellows. i'm a newb at hydro and this was very informative.

 

[Crooked8]

I always ran nova when i started out.....always had problems. Shook the shit out of every bottle even tried using a paint mixer on a drill to make it perfect.....didnt matter. Fed it with ro water and supplemented cal mag. Thats was all i used, ph and runoff were ideal. As soon as a switched everything got better for me as well. Actually i switched to house and garden and never went back. Tried other lines and always came back to h&g. All hydro now though that soil game isnt for me. Love soil product though....anyway youre NOT alone in the flora nova failure world. I hate looking at the damn bottle. I also have a lot of experience with several other lines eg heavy 16, advanced gh flora and many others with far less to no issues. I dont know what makes it work well for others, i tried everything to remedy the situation..called the company, bought fresh product in bigger bottles, then ran smaller ones because i was told the big bottle settle too much (the settling thing is lame as shit), tried it at several ph setting on several runs. Ran it hot, ran it light and at their recommended dose(which is always too high). I dunno, i had a rough go of it with the nova.

 

[daan.janssen]

I always ran nova when i started out.....always had problems. Shook the shit out of every bottle even tried using a paint mixer on a drill to make it perfect.....didnt matter. Fed it with ro water and supplemented cal mag. Thats was all i used, ph and runoff were ideal. As soon as a switched everything got better for me as well. Actually i switched to house and garden and never went back. Tried other lines and always came back to h&g. All hydro now though that soil game isnt for me. Love soil product though....anyway youre NOT alone in the flora nova failure world. I hate looking at the damn bottle. I also have a lot of experience with several other lines eg heavy 16, advanced gh flora and many others with far less to no issues. I dont know what makes it work well for others, i tried everything to remedy the situation..called the company, bought fresh product in bigger bottles, then ran smaller ones because i was told the big bottle settle too much (the settling thing is lame as shit), tried it at several ph setting on several runs. Ran it hot, ran it light and at their recommended dose(which is always too high). I dunno, i had a rough go of it with the nova.

Crooked8, I just started using floranov last year and as much as the final crop turned out ok, the solution was hard to deal with. I found it was too sludgy and left a nasty film on my nutrient tank. And considering I lost a quarter of the product to a hardened state in the bottom of the bottle, I wasn't too happy with gh. Do you know of any alternative 1-part nutes that you could recommend? Something that's a little easier to deal with and has less of a mess left behind.

Cheers

 

[Rolldaddy]

I've been using floranova as a base in soiless for years and has worked great. One run I only used the veg and bloom and the girls flurished. Defenatly needs to be shaken very well before each use tho

 

[daan.janssen]

Hey just following up with the floranova situ..

Recently been recommended a line of nutes by Uber? So I inquired and they also have a 1-part that takes care of both veg and flower?! Uni-one was the name. I tried out the sample and Whami! the results were there man :eyesmoke:

This company seems like if GH and AN had a baby, Uber would be the result. haha if you get that pineapple express reference

"My friend, this is like if that Blue Oyster shit met that Afghan Kush i had, and they had a baby... And then meanwhile, that crazy Northern Lights stuff i had and the Super Red Espresso Snowflake met and had a baby... And by some miracle, those two babies met and fucked; this would be the shit they birthed."

pce out

 

[Crooked8]

Try veg&bloom. Its a one part product for well, veg and bloom. Ive heard mixed things but ive seen great results from other people who use it. Id still go with h&g. I think they have a one part formula as well.

 

[Rolldaddy]

I personally like using both parts but if looking for a one part many folks out there just using the floranova bloom as a 1 part threw veg and flower. You might like it?